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    Sooooooo... did anyone hear anything yesterday that they haven't heard before?

    Did I miss the part where they finally presented evidence of these downed craft from all around the world that are lightyears ahead of ours in technology, and the beings that flew them?
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    ⚡️ Consider the significance of this fact: Charles McCullough, the longest-serving Inspector General of the Intelligence Community, is currently serving as personal counsel to David Grusch. The implications of this connection are profound and worth contemplating.

    I. Charles McCullough, III October 7, 2010 – March 2017
    Michael Atkinson May 17, 2018 – April 3, 2020
    Thomas Monheim April 3, 2020 – presen

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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    Sooooooo... did anyone hear anything yesterday that they haven't heard before?

    Did I miss the part where they finally presented evidence of these downed craft from all around the world that are lightyears ahead of ours in technology, and the beings that flew them?
    No, you didn't miss that part, Fred, but you're missing something else, namely the point.


    • First of all, these people have come forward with sworn testimonies before Congress. This puts a legal framework around the whole situation, from which now an official Congressional investigation can be launched, in which rogue intelligence agencies and military-industrial businesses can be held legally accountable and, if necessary, prosecuted for acting outside the knowledge of Congress (and thus the law) in what was hitherto a very grey zone due to the official denial and the all-too-often-cited "lack of evidence".

      That very grey zone is what has until now allowed the involved tentacles of the US government and the NATO-affiliated military-industrial complex to leave the whole UAP phenomenon into the hands of thugs and cutthroats in the darkened backstreets and alleys between corporate warehouses on industrial estates. And so now, that has become illegal.


    • Secondly, and specifically on account of the cited (and gratuitously appealed unto) "lack of evidence", David Grusch has stated on several questions that he could not disclose more and/or answer the questions in a public setting, but that he was willing to provide further and detailed information in a SCIF. And from there on, information revealed in the SCIF (1) would be legally actionable and (2) could potentially trickle down into the public domain with Congress as the legal filter, due to current and former military personnel being bound by their NDA, while Congress members are not — unless I am mistaken about the latter, of course.


    • Having this matter now officially and legally acknowledged and contextualized by Congress forces the mainstream media to take this subject out of the domain of public ridicule, which will hopefully also lift the stigma resting upon legitimate witnesses, and should hopefully also clear the names of legitimate abductees — such as Betty and Barney Hill — who had been gratuitously and complacently written off earlier as either mentally ill or as fraudsters.

      As an aside and on a personal note, I myself have kicked the ass of one of Wikipedia's editors only a few days ago because he had replaced the original and neutral article on the Belgian UFO wave of 1989-1991 by a debunking hit piece full of factual misinformation. The phenomenon was the headline story on the television news that evening and was shown in real-time as the events unfolded. I was at my parents' house, and they were watching the news together with me, so I know exactly what was reported, by whom, how many witnesses had called it in, and how the Belgian gendarmes got involved and got to witness the two craft themselves. I also saw the press conference held by (then) Lt.-Colonel Wilfried De Brouwer of the Belgian Air Force later that night, so I know what the official statement of the Belgian military was. Wilfried De Brouwer later on even joined Steven Greer's Disclosure Project, and Greer may very well be a narcissistic douchebag, but his original Disclosure Project witnesses were all legitimate.

      Wikipedia is supposed to be neutral and objective, which the new article was not — far from it. I also know what the original (and factually correct) article looked like, which is why I lost my temper with that smartass who decided to replace the original article with a debunking hit piece full of misinformation regarding the sequence of events, the number of reports coming in that very evening, the atmospheric conditions, and the opinion of the Belgian military regarding what had transpired.



    Anyway, nobody said that all of the beans were going to be spilled during this hearing — of which it was suggested by Chairman Grothman that there would be several more such hearings in the near future. You are free to think of this as you will, but to me this event signifies an unprecedented development and turnaround.
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    I keep taking talk of evidence seriously. Like how this thread started. What have they been doing all this time in preparation?

    A former intelligence official turned whistleblower has given Congress and the Intelligence Community Inspector General extensive classified information about deeply covert programs that he says possess retrieved intact and partially intact craft of non-human origin.

    The information, he says, has been illegally withheld from Congress, and he filed a complaint alleging that he suffered illegal retaliation for his confidential disclosures, reported here for the first time.

    Other intelligence officials, both active and retired, with knowledge of these programs through their work in various agencies, have independently provided similar, corroborating information, both on and off the record.
    “We are not talking about prosaic origins or identities,” Grusch said, referencing information he provided Congress and the current ICIG. “The material includes intact and partially intact vehicles.”
    https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-...n-human-craft/

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    • First of all, these people have come forward with sworn testimonies before Congress. This puts a legal framework around the whole situation, from which now an official Congressional investigation can be launched, in which rogue intelligence agencies and military-industrial businesses can be held legally accountable and, if necessary, prosecuted for acting outside the knowledge of Congress (and thus the law) in what was hitherto a very grey zone due to the official denial and the all-too-often-cited "lack of evidence".

      That very grey zone is what has until now allowed the involved tentacles of the US government and the NATO-affiliated military-industrial complex to leave the whole UAP phenomenon into the hands of thugs and cutthroats in the darkened backstreets and alleys between corporate warehouses on industrial estates. And so now, that has become illegal.
    Ah, so the good folks of the US Congress are clearing the bad guys out of the way, the ones they used to be afraid of, and getting the truth out that the American people deserve. I chuckled every time they pontificated on that one.

    You know the old slow roll game of this great thing is going to happen, just never today or tomorrow? Same as it's always been with this. A long walk to nowhere.
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    Well, that was one hell of a ride yesterday! Historic, 70 years in the making, but whose counting...decades?

    Bipartisan and this won't be swept under the rug. Careers will be made on pursuing this topic now. Plus Congress has the bit firmly between their teeth, pissed that they haven't been read in, like ever. And these programs have even evaded oversight committees.

    Ufos are close to being the literal wedge that is prying open the divide between different factions of government, and exposing that Pentagon. Rumor has become reality. The gloves are off. The MSM is still blowing it off, providing glib coverage. Makes sense. They have a direct line to the pentagon and intel.

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    Quote Originally posted by Octopus Garden View Post
    Well, that was one hell of a ride yesterday!
    Fred doesn't seem to think much of it.

    Quote Originally posted by Octopus Garden View Post
    Historic, 70 years in the making, but whose counting...decades?

    Bipartisan and this won't be swept under the rug. Careers will be made on pursuing this topic now. Plus Congress has the bit firmly between their teeth, pissed that they haven't been read in, like ever. And these programs have even evaded oversight committees.
    I liked when Tim Burchett said about the Pentagon, "They work for us; we don't work for them."

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    Ufos are close to being the literal wedge that is prying open the divide between different factions of government, and exposing that Pentagon. Rumor has become reality. The gloves are off. The MSM is still blowing it off, providing glib coverage. Makes sense. They have a direct line to the pentagon and intel.
    It actually made the news over here. Grusch's earlier appearance in the interview with Ross Coulthart was ignored by the media over here, but now that he testified under oath before Congress, they did publish an article on it, and they at least did it without ridicule this time. I guess that's progress.
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    Quote Originally posted by Octopus Garden View Post
    Well, that was one hell of a ride yesterday! Historic, 70 years in the making, but whose counting...decades?

    Bipartisan and this won't be swept under the rug. Careers will be made on pursuing this topic now. Plus Congress has the bit firmly between their teeth, pissed that they haven't been read in, like ever. And these programs have even evaded oversight committees.

    Ufos are close to being the literal wedge that is prying open the divide between different factions of government, and exposing that Pentagon. Rumor has become reality. The gloves are off. The MSM is still blowing it off, providing glib coverage. Makes sense. They have a direct line to the pentagon and intel.
    It's kind of a mishmash but 'legalities' are sticking in my head.

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    Pontificating? Yes, chief among them was the usual suspect, Matt Gaetz. He has information that he and only he knows...What a prick!

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    Quote Originally posted by Chuckie View Post


    Dr.Disclosure89
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    ⚡️ Consider the significance of this fact: Charles McCullough, the longest-serving Inspector General of the Intelligence Community, is currently serving as personal counsel to David Grusch. The implications of this connection are profound and worth contemplating.

    I. Charles McCullough, III October 7, 2010 – March 2017
    Michael Atkinson May 17, 2018 – April 3, 2020
    Thomas Monheim April 3, 2020 – presen
    Just huge. You couldn't have anyone more credentialed. And by the look on his face, he's taking it very very seriously!

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    This issue represents an internal battle in a bloodless civil war within the highest circles of American government. The military and intelligence agencies have wielded control over the entire governmental structure.

    It's worth noting that, in spite of what many people think, it's the new wave of Republicans who are currently anti-war and more isolationist. They've thrown a grenade into a barrel of oatmeal here. So, I give them their due in that regard.

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    Quote Originally posted by Octopus Garden View Post
    This issue represents an internal battle in a bloodless civil war within the highest circles of American government. The military and intelligence agencies have wielded control over the entire governmental structure.

    It's worth noting that, in spite of what many people think, it's the new wave of Republicans who are currently anti-war and more isolationist. They've thrown a grenade into a barrel of oatmeal here. So, I give them their due in that regard.
    lol, yeah...with 'those' people though, one always has to consider motivations. Some people place value on what is going on inside (I do) but many don't. Rarely does something 'good inside' come from that group.

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    I don't know why Grusch did this but I wouldn't be as literal as Loeb...Two possibilities (black hole existence). I saw a video the other day but didn't watch that was claiming we live in a black hole (that would be an outre possibility). Secondly, he might have confused the idea of 'formations' and breaking apart and re-assembling as indications of interdimensional action which aren't holographic.


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