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    Quote Originally posted by Octopus Garden View Post
    yeah, I saw this last night...Burchett is quite the 'character' but at least he is on the right side this time... I hope that side is sane because it includes me.

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    So here's how this episode of "Redacted" started out:

    Our guest, John Stewart, hand delivered his entire investigation, to Congressman Tim Burchette's office. He's become the first non governmental civilian, to submit a report to the United States Congress, regarding the extraterrestrial phenomena.
    Incidentally, Burchett's office is right close to here in Knoxville.

    If this information is indeed going to become an official part of the UAP congressional investigation, then OMG, there's no one up above who's at all interested in checking out his sources. Not that it would be of any great surprise mind you, but interesting none the less, considering...

    From the notes I jotted down while watching it:

    His sources are Sean David Morton , Richard Doty, Michael Salla, Linda Moulton Howe - Steven Greer and Project Aquarius/Dan Burisch get an honorable mention.

    Has anyone been hearing about some congressman seeing something that struck him so profound, it left his hands shaking? Supposedly LOL, it was this dark grainy video that shook him.

    Ex 4 star general and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Colin Powell, was one of the doctors in the video.

    He's saying this is all about "Majestic" (which was Doty's baby more or less, same as "Project Serpo".

    He calls the video "The Victor Film". Being that it was Doty that probably told him that shit, it struck me Doty may be playfully using the name Victor from Victor Martinez, who was the original member of the 2006/07 Project Serpo behind the scenes "Team of Five":

    Victor Martinez
    Christopher "Kit" Green (CIA)
    Richard Doty (AFOSI)
    Hal Puthoff (NSA)
    Bill Ryan



    That's it for now, just something to keep an eye on. I can't yet verify this guy's direct connection to the hearings.

    At the very least, some of these content providers like the couple that does "Redacted" are getting hornswoggled by some of these same old retread stories, performed by the same old people from the same old groups. I'm waiting to see the planet name Serpo come popping up next, and the Eben/astronaut exchange program...





    Something else. As the 26th rolls near, I'm seeing a lot of previews advertising first hand ufo accounts of military pilots seeing unexplainable aerial phenomena. I don't think there's any argument that pilots are seeing very strange things up there, but haven't we been led to believe we'd be seeing evidence of alien bodies, and their retrieved ships? Pilots seeing ufo's/uap's is not exactly red meat for the hungry and curious any more.

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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    So here's how this episode of "Redacted" started out:

    Incidentally, Burchett's office is right close to here in Knoxville.

    If this information is indeed going to become an official part of the UAP congressional investigation, then OMG, there's no one up above who's at all interested in checking out his sources. Not that it would be of any great surprise mind you, but interesting none the less, considering...

    From the notes I jotted down while watching it:

    His sources are Sean David Morton , Richard Doty, Michael Salla, Linda Moulton Howe - Steven Greer and Project Aquarius/Dan Burisch get an honorable mention.

    Has anyone been hearing about some congressman seeing something that struck him so profound, it left his hands shaking? Supposedly LOL, it was this dark grainy video that shook him.

    Ex 4 star general and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Colin Powell, was one of the doctors in the video.

    He's saying this is all about "Majestic" (which was Doty's baby more or less, same as "Project Serpo".

    He calls the video "The Victor Film". Being that it was Doty that probably told him that shit, it struck me Doty may be playfully using the name Victor from Victor Martinez, who was the original member of the 2006/07 Project Serpo behind the scenes "Team of Five":

    Victor Martinez
    Christopher "Kit" Green (CIA)
    Richard Doty (AFOSI)
    Hal Puthoff (NSA)
    Bill Ryan
    What a magnificently predictable way to turn a legitimate investigation toward an "It was all fake, folks — nothing to see here" conclusion. I guess we should have seen that one coming all along.
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    What a magnificently predictable way to turn a legitimate investigation toward an "It was all fake, folks — nothing to see here" conclusion. I guess we should have seen that one coming all along.
    Given the clowns in gooberment involved in the investigations leads me to conclude this is a circus for entertainment/entrainment only.

    The firewall of pre-history must not be breached.

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    Quote Originally posted by modwiz View Post
    Given the clowns in gooberment involved in the investigations leads me to conclude this is a circus for entertainment/entrainment only.

    The firewall of pre-history must not be breached.
    Which then (and thus) puts the whole legitimacy of UFO — oh, excuse me, UAP — research back into the fringes, to be gleefully ridiculed again for decades to come by the very same so-called "journalists" who've been doing exactly that in the decades that have passed us by since the very first recorded sightings.

    I guess it's easier to believe in the alleged apparitions of Biblical figures than to admit that there could be intelligent life out there among the billions upon billions of planets in our own galaxy, or the billions upon billions of planets in any of the billions upon billions other galaxies in the universe, let alone that such intelligent life would be technologically millions of years more advanced than us here on the third rock away from our local star.

    Let's all talk about Democrats and Republicans again. And about gender identity. Because those things are so important.
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    What a magnificently predictable way to turn a legitimate investigation toward an "It was all fake, folks — nothing to see here" conclusion. I guess we should have seen that one coming all along.
    Well we'll see. First, let's see if we can determine for sure that this guy John Stewart really did deliver his five years of whispered sweet nothings from the lips of Doty and committee, to Congressman Burchett's office. That should be able to be answered definitively soon enough, and if they're going to make anything of it. It's certainly being reported that some kind of evidence or video made a congressman's hands tremble, but we don't know if it's supposedly over that silly video.

    Quote Originally posted by modwiz View Post
    Given the clowns in gooberment involved in the investigations leads me to conclude this is a circus for entertainment/entrainment only.

    The firewall of pre-history must not be breached.
    Well that's two ideas on why between you, and Frank. I still don't really have one after all this time, other than to keep the curious herd stampeding in a direction other than the one where it should be directed, any direction besides that. Like David Petraeus says about war (paraphrased): The purpose is not to win, but to keep the juggled plates in the air.

    But on a more superficial level, I've long noticed the Rick Doty story teller types get off on their little misdirection mind fucks - it's a game, and a fun one at that: "look how easily I can manipulate people into believing the stupidist shit".

    And much as I loathe most of them, I don't cast shade over these politicians on this. Some of them are just as curious as anyone else, and they're probably having their chains yanked just like the people at "Redacted", and elsewhere in indy media. Even the best and brightest in indy media have next to zero experience in this shitty little game.

    I'm still rubbing my eyes, in utter disbelief that this stuff and these people, may really be going mainstream. Like a farm team having its number called up to join the big show.
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    One thing concerns me, the expected 'whistleblowers' are retreads...Grusch, Fravor...What happened to all the 'firsthand knowledge' people? Maybe they are only allowed to report in a security-cleared hearing, not the public one?

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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    So here's how this episode of "Redacted" started out:

    Incidentally, Burchett's office is right close to here in Knoxville.

    If this information is indeed going to become an official part of the UAP congressional investigation, then OMG, there's no one up above who's at all interested in checking out his sources. Not that it would be of any great surprise mind you, but interesting none the less, considering...

    From the notes I jotted down while watching it:

    His sources are Sean David Morton , Richard Doty, Michael Salla, Linda Moulton Howe - Steven Greer and Project Aquarius/Dan Burisch get an honorable mention.

    Has anyone been hearing about some congressman seeing something that struck him so profound, it left his hands shaking? Supposedly LOL, it was this dark grainy video that shook him.

    Ex 4 star general and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Colin Powell, was one of the doctors in the video.

    He's saying this is all about "Majestic" (which was Doty's baby more or less, same as "Project Serpo".

    He calls the video "The Victor Film". Being that it was Doty that probably told him that shit, it struck me Doty may be playfully using the name Victor from Victor Martinez, who was the original member of the 2006/07 Project Serpo behind the scenes "Team of Five":

    Victor Martinez
    Christopher "Kit" Green (CIA)
    Richard Doty (AFOSI)
    Hal Puthoff (NSA)
    Bill Ryan



    That's it for now, just something to keep an eye on. I can't yet verify this guy's direct connection to the hearings.

    At the very least, some of these content providers like the couple that does "Redacted" are getting hornswoggled by some of these same old retread stories, performed by the same old people from the same old groups. I'm waiting to see the planet name Serpo come popping up next, and the Eben/astronaut exchange program...





    Something else. As the 26th rolls near, I'm seeing a lot of previews advertising first hand ufo accounts of military pilots seeing unexplainable aerial phenomena. I don't think there's any argument that pilots are seeing very strange things up there, but haven't we been led to believe we'd be seeing evidence of alien bodies, and their retrieved ships? Pilots seeing ufo's/uap's is not exactly red meat for the hungry and curious any more.

    Synthetic? Not alive?

    Bring the country together? lol, I doubt it.

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    Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs Hearing

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    You can watch it here https://www.c-span.org/video/?529499...-phenomena-uap

    I cant seem to watch it on youtube
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    I don't know if you have access but CBS is showing it live...

    One thing I have noticed is that the interdimensional 'Holography' aspect that Dave Grusch put forward didn't add up to me.

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    Quote Originally posted by Chuckie View Post
    One thing I have noticed is that the interdimensional 'Holography' aspect that Dave Grusch put forward didn't add up to me.
    On account of objects that appear to morph and/or do not appear to be made of any solid materials, the interpretation that they might be "shadows" or cross-sections of higher-dimensional objects with our 4-dimensional spacetime could be valid. However, I do not believe that this would apply in the event of the allegedly retrieved humanoid bodies, because those bodies are by definition just as 4-dimensional — i.e. 3 directional dimensions and 1 temporal dimension — as we ourselves are in this realm. If that were not the case, then they wouldn't appear humanoid to us.

    That said, there are plenty of loopholes in quantum physics and even in general relativity to allow for non-relativistic motion through spacetime, and thus, to allow a species from a technologically sufficiently advanced civilization to engage in interstellar or possibly even intergalactic travel. Einstein, Podolski and Rosen already posited the idea of wormholes more than eight decades ago, and there is a variant of string theory called brane theory, which suggests that the universe as we ourselves experience it would only be the outer membrane of a higher-dimensional bubble, itself existing inside a multiverse alongside of other such bubbles.

    There's just this simple question that nobody has answered yet, i.e. we know that spacetime can be warped, because we can observe the effects of such through gravity — and especially through gravitational lensing and the impermeability to light of black holes — and through the expansion of the observable universe. But then what is spacetime warping and expanding into, if there are no higher dimensions than "3 + 1"?

    Humans are so arrogant to think that we know everything when we haven't even begun scratching the surface. Or as Brian Greene put it, if the history of the entire universe as we know it were to be mapped out over the length of one year here on Earth, then the human species has only come into existence at 9 seconds before midnight on the 31st of December.

    Just imagine how far we've come in terms of technology over the course of the last two centuries. And now imagine what a civilization that's a million of our Earth years ahead of us in terms of their technology and science could achieve compared to the best us talking monkeys can do right now. Even a million years is only peanuts in comparison to the age of the universe. And then we're not even getting into what kind of life and technology could possibly exist in those hyper-dimensional environments.





    Following up, an interview with Tim Burchett...







    Note: I've merged Malc's thread with the original one. No point in having two threads going about the same topic.
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    Here is the full YouTube video.

    Oversight Committee Holds Historic Hearing On Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena

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