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    John Alexander is an operative. He is the only guy, besides Richard Doty, involved directly or indirectly in this field I would make this claim about.

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    If you familiarize yourselves with the hitchhiker effect, you will well understand who is ultimately in charge here. It's the beings themselves. If you, or even someone you were close to, got too close to the phenomenon, they'd suffer terrible consequences, in terms of mental harrassment.

    Maybe they're now harassing those who are covering up. Those knowingly dismissing it now maybe plagued by odd sensations, synchonicity storms, head aches, bizarre coincidences that occur non-stop and the feeling of being under constant surveillance by something very powerful.

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    Quote Originally posted by Octopus Garden View Post
    John Alexander is an operative. He is the only guy, besides Richard Doty, involved directly or indirectly in this field I would make this claim about.
    UFOs: Myths, Conspiracies, and Realities
    John B. Alexander
    Thomas Dunne Books, 2011 - Military research - 305 pages
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    "While still on active duty in the U.S. Army during the 1980s, Colonel John B. Alexander, Ph.D. created an interagency group to explore the controversial topic of UFOs. Participants came from the Army, Navy, Air Force, CIA, NSA, DIA, and the aerospace industry. All members held Top Secret clearance. And what they discovered was not at all what was expected. UFOs covers the numerous cases they saw, and answers questions like: ʺWhat was really in Hanger 18? ʺDid a UFO really land at Holloman Air Force Base? ʺWhat happened at Roswell? ʺWhat is Majestic 12? ʺWhat is the Aviary? ʺWhat does the government know about UFOs? ʺWhat has happened with disclosure in other countries? ʺHas the US reverse engineered a UFO? ʺWhy don't presidents get access to UFO info? UFOs is at once a complete account of Alexander's findings, and a call to action. There are no conspiracy theories here--only hard facts--but they are merely the beginning. Serious research is needed in order to understand and anticipate the workings of UFOs, and John Alexander is leading the charge"--Provided by publisher.
    https://books.google.com/books/about...d=HvWGzgEACAAJ


    Alexander and Doty were by no means the only alphabet ufo operatives/influencers of their day, they were ensconced into the community then, and even more so now IMO. Not shedding any judgement on them here OG, just pointing out that they were around, they're around now, and not shy about it.

    Just for fun. Do we take time to ask ourselves for instance, the origin of much vaunted "top secret material" such as Majestic 12? And why it matters to ask?
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    Alexander's book is likely full of redirects, blind alleys and disinfo. Doty admits he was an operative, but then, like Lucy with the football and Charlie Brown, says he's reformed and people should believe him now. Credibility is like virginity. You only lose it once.

    But, Alexander is the only person I'm aware of that promotes the idea that NHI can create paradigms that will have you believe one thing about them and then switch it up and create different behavior and performances. I mean, the crispy pancake story from the 60's. Why would beings from wherever, fry up breakfast food and offer it to someone? What was that about? High strangeness could be entirely intentional on their part, meant to confuse and put us on the back foot for as long as they like.

    Alexander understands this, because this is what he does. He's a trickster.

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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    I thought disclosure was now? The bodies, the wreckage, the back engineered craft.

    It's like trying to catch a mirage. In 2025, we'll be within just a couple years of disclosure. Say, 2028 when the official reveal will be penciled in. But then 2028 rolls around and, well, something came up but a nice even 2030 for sure!

    Like in Harry Chapin's "Cats in the Cradle":



    Then. Never Now.

    It's been frustrating, for sure. And absolutely like chasing a mirage, or trying to find the end of a rainbow. Maybe the craft are psychotronic on such a primary level, that they may as well have come right out of a dream, or be solidified thought forms. They may be able to dream or imagine themselves and their craft (which may be more like an extension of their bodies) into being. Truly magic materializations.

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    Quote Originally posted by Octopus Garden View Post
    I mean, the crispy pancake story from the 60's. Why would beings from wherever, fry up breakfast food and offer it to someone? What was that about? High strangeness could be entirely intentional on their part, meant to confuse and put us on the back foot for as long as they like.
    I'd never heard that story, had to look it up. You know that's perfect, because the picture of Joe Simonton holding an alien pancake in his hand from all those years ago, ultimately yields no more evidence than David Grusch's stories thus far.
    https://www.cultofweird.com/ufo-sigh...lien-pancakes/

    Again, I'm not sniffing around here looking for every opportunity to squat and shit on a ufo story; but I have every reason to believe there's a world of difference between the world of genuine ufo's, and the conveyor belt of shit "The Disclosure Movement" drip feeds us into oblivion over the decades like the rest of it...

    Quote Originally posted by Octopus Garden View Post
    It's been frustrating, for sure. And absolutely like chasing a mirage, or trying to find the end of a rainbow. Maybe the craft are psychotronic on such a primary level, that they may as well have come right out of a dream, or be solidified thought forms. They may be able to dream or imagine themselves and their craft (which may be more like an extension of their bodies) into being. Truly magic materializations.
    Yes, that must be it!
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    If true, this is a bombshell. If not true, then it'll just be another case on the huge pile of shame.


    (2 hours 4 minutes)


    = DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR =

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    Hating to keep sounding like a broken record brother, but I'm 20 minutes in, and have yet to hear any more than I already have. Should I keep going?
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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    Hating to keep sounding like a broken record brother, but I'm 20 minutes in, and have yet to hear any more than I already have. Should I keep going?
    Well, I haven't taken note of any time stamps, but it's where Ross talks about there allegedly being a craft so big that they couldn't even possibly move it if they wanted to, and so they found no better than to construct a building around it in order to hide it. It's not located within the USA, by the way, but as I understand it, it would be in a US-controlled country.
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    Oh yeah, that was within the first 20 minutes that I watched. So according to the great journalist Ross Coulthart, us "bleaters" who keep demanding evidence should just stuff a sock in it, believe what these people say is going on, and stop demanding to actually see it. Have total faith in what these piece of shit American politicians like Senator Marco Rubio are saying about it as well.

    Ummmm, no...

    This is complete opposite of the Glenn Greenwald/Ed Snowden approach to great unveilings. Believe it first, then see it - Maybe.
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    If true, this is a bombshell. If not true, then it'll just be another case on the huge pile of shame.


    (2 hours 4 minutes)


    This guy doesn't lie, and he is very wary...After reading his book a year or two ago, I came to the conclusion that this was the guy to pay attention to.

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    It's a long one but interesting, a bit redundant but anyway...1:26:00. I watched it at ludicrous speed.


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    This is interesting, it addresses UAP/UFO issues from a 'different' perspective. It isn't flawless but mostly accurate in its descriptions.


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    BY MARIK VON RENNENKAMPFF

    Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), along with a bipartisan group of five other senators, introduced extraordinary legislation on July 13, suggesting that the U.S. government or private contractors may secretly possess recovered UFOs and “biological evidence of living or deceased non-human intelligence.”

    According to the legislation, “non-human intelligence” is defined as “any sentient intelligent non-human lifeform, regardless of nature or ultimate origin which may be presumed responsible for” UFOs.

    Given the decades-long stigma associated with the UFO topic, such stunning language is not included in bipartisan congressional legislation on a mere whim, let alone proposed by the Senate’s top lawmaker.

    According to a statement accompanying the legislation, the 2017 disclosure of a previously unknown government UFO analysis program spurred a broad congressional investigation of unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAP), the government’s new terminology for UFOs.

    The ongoing investigation “uncovered a vast web of individuals and groups” claiming knowledge of secret UAP-related programs and information.

    According to Schumer, “the sheer number and variety” of UFO-related claims “led some in Congress to believe that the [U.S. government] was concealing important information regarding UAPs over broad periods of time.” Moreover, as noted in the legislation, “credible evidence and testimony indicates that Federal Government [UFO] records exist that have not been declassified” as required by law.

    To that end, Schumer’s legislation establishes an independent nine-member agency to collect, review and declassify UAP records. If passed in its current form, the law would mandate that all government UFO documents “carry a presumption of immediate [public] disclosure.”

    The proposed legislation follows explosive allegations by a former intelligence official, David Grusch, that secret UFO retrieval and reverse-engineering programs were illegally hidden from Congress. Importantly, the powerful investigative body that oversees the nation’s intelligence agencies found Grusch’s allegations to be “credible and urgent.” Moreover, the intelligence community’s first inspector general — appointed by President Obama, confirmed by the Senate and now a high-profile attorney in private practice — represented Grusch as he proceeded through the formal whistleblower process.

    In an interview with NewsNation, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), vice chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, corroborated the broad contours of both Grusch’s allegations and Schumer’s bipartisan legislation.

    According to Rubio, only one of two remarkable outcomes will ultimately explain recent developments, “Either what [Grusch] is saying is partially true or entirely true, or we have some really smart, educated people with high clearances and very important positions in our government who are crazy and are leading us on a goose chase.”

    “Most of these people,” Rubio continued, “have held very high clearances and high positions within our government. So, you ask yourself: ‘What incentive would so many people with that kind of qualification — these are serious people — have to come forward and make something up?’”

    Asked about the specificity of the allegations, Rubio stated that individuals with “firsthand knowledge or firsthand claims” are “saying to us what you’ve seen out there in the public record, whether it’s about legacy [UFO] programs or about current events.”

    Echoing Rubio’s comments and Schumer’s statement, Rep. Mike Gallagher (R-Wis.), who serves on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, stated recently that “all sorts of [UFO whistleblowers] are coming out of the woodwork” and telling Congress that “they’ve been part of this or that [UFO] program.”

    According to Gallagher, last year’s enactment of UFO whistleblower protections resulted in “a variety of pretty intense conversations.”

    Rubio and Gallagher’s remarkable comments bolster two reports, citing multiple military, intelligence and private sector officials, that defense contractors possess multiple craft of “non-human” origin.

    While legislation introduced in June would cut off funding for any secret UFO retrieval and reverse-engineering programs, Sen. Schumer’s proposal goes even further. A provision in the new amendment declares that “any and all recovered [UFOs] and biological evidence of non-human intelligence that may be controlled by private persons or entities” shall be transferred to the U.S. government “in the interests of the public good.”

    Moreover, to ensure the eventual release of all government UFO documents and information, the new legislation requires a “Controlled Disclosure Campaign Plan.” In short, if the proposed nine-member review board deems any UAP documents too sensitive to release immediately, such records would be subject to a “benchmark-driven plan” with recommendations for the “exact time” that they “may be appropriately disclosed to the public.”

    Following a recommendation from the review board, the legislation establishes the president as the “sole and nondelegable authority to disclose” UFO-related records to the public.

    Given this elevation of authority directly to the president, it is likely that the Schumer-led Senate coordinated or consulted with the Biden White House before proposing such extraordinary legislation.

    Fortunately, the public may not have to wait for the new legislation to become law to learn more about what the U.S. government knows about UAP. According to Reps. Tim Burchett (R-Tenn.) and Anna Paulina Luna (R-Fla.), the House Oversight Committee will hold a hearing July 26 featuring roughly half a dozen “superstar” witnesses who served in both Democratic and Republican administrations.

    As Schumer rightly said, “the American public has a right to learn about technologies of unknown origins, non-human intelligence, and unexplainable phenomena.” Hopefully, the extraordinary legislation enacted and proposed in recent years, in tandem with open congressional hearings, will get to the bottom of the decades-long UFO mystery.

    Marik von Rennenkampff served as an analyst with the U.S. Department of State’s Bureau of International Security and Nonproliferation, as well as an Obama administration appointee at the U.S. Department of Defense.

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