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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    I saw the link to NewsNation and I tried to bring up the page, but all I got was an error page telling me that they are currently blocking visitors from Europe for some allegedly technical reason.

    And no word about it yet in the European news media. Not a single word ever since Grusch came forward. But then again, sports games and political shenanigans are so much more important — even over here.
    Well, you'll like this then: the Inspector General said 'send it to congress'. Which is a big go ahead and then a Senator on the Intelligence committee said that he has FIRST HAND reports from some other whistleblowers working in the same areas. ...


    oh, well you already knew that ...

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    Quote Originally posted by Chuckie View Post
    Well, you'll like this then: the Inspector General said 'send it to congress'. Which is a big go ahead and then a Senator on the Intelligence committee said that he has FIRST HAND reports from some other whistleblowers working in the same areas. ...


    oh, well you already knew that ...
    I really hope this hits the mainstream wholesale. The impact on the way we live our lives would be tremendous, from putting into perspective all the things we fight about, over the making available of reverse-engineered exotic technologies that may and probably will improve the quality of life for everyone, all the way up to the philosophical and scientific implications of the fact that Earth is being visited by intelligent beings from elsewhere.

    It would be quite the bombshell — more than anything else — if allowed to become public knowledge. If, because I don't think those who've been sitting on this thing for seven decades or more are going to just roll over and admit their defeat.
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    But the Senate Intelligence Committee’s legislation goes significantly further than previous laws. If enacted as drafted, the legislation would immediately halt funding for any secret, unreported programs that engage in “analyzing” retrieved UFOs “for the purpose of determining properties, material composition, method of manufacture, origin, characteristics, usage and application, performance, operational modalities, or reverse engineering of such craft or component technology.”

    At the same time, the legislation would cease funding for any personnel engaged in “capturing, recovering, and securing [UFOs] or pieces and components of such craft.”

    Funding would also be cut for “the development of propulsion technology, or aerospace craft that uses propulsion technology, systems, or subsystems, that is based on or derived from or inspired by inspection, analysis, or reverse engineering of recovered [UFOs] or materials.”

    Perhaps more importantly, the bill language prohibits legal prosecution of individuals with knowledge of surreptitious retrieval and reverse engineering of “non-human” craft. To avoid legal jeopardy, such individuals would have two months after passage of the legislation to inform the director of the Pentagon’s new UFO analysis office of the existence of relevant UFO-related information.

    These individuals would then have six months to turn over “all such material and information,” as well as “a comprehensive list of all non-earth origin or exotic [UFO] material.”
    I don't think congress has any more say over this, than they do over CIA black ops.

    Also, curious that (unsurprisingly) absent amid all the excited media chatter, is any semblance of evidence beyond story telling. Whistleblowers, show me don't tell me. Like the old job site saying: "Don't praise me, raise me".

    I'm so done with "Shocking Claims":

    ‘ALIEN PRESS CONFERENCE 2023’ SHOWS DR. STEVEN GREER’S SHOCKING CLAIMS AT UFO/UAP DISCLOSURE EVENT
    https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2023/06/1...closure-event/



    Unless, and/or something changes, we have no more evidence than the "Consultant", the "retired US Military Intelligence Officer", and the "author" back in 2005/2006:
    https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2005-12-06-show/
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    What do you think this is? That is NOT a normal cloud nor a plastic bag!

    Also there have been other similar things appearing in the sky before.


    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRlaWUoAt9w
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    Quote Originally posted by Wind View Post
    What do you think this is? That is NOT a normal cloud nor a plastic bag!

    Also there have been other similar things appearing in the sky before.
    I have seen videos and photos of something like this before. It's a (harmless) byproduct of some industrial process. It looks like a cloud but it's actually a kind of foam. I think it's primarily made up of carbon dioxide, but I'm not sure anymore.

    They get lifted up by the wind like soap bubbles and they can get carried away over quite a distance, but inevitably they will descend onto the ground and just sit there until they slowly dissolve.
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    I have seen videos and photos of something like this before. It's a (harmless) byproduct of some industrial process. It looks like a cloud but it's actually a kind of foam. I think it's primarily made up of carbon dioxide, but I'm not sure anymore.
    Maybe it is, but what explains the blinking lights? Also the movement seems intelligent.

    I wonder why things like the Phoenix Lights hasn't ever gathered more attention.


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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    I really hope this hits the mainstream wholesale. The impact on the way we live our lives would be tremendous, from putting into perspective all the things we fight about, over the making available of reverse-engineered exotic technologies that may and probably will improve the quality of life for everyone, all the way up to the philosophical and scientific implications of the fact that Earth is being visited by intelligent beings from elsewhere.

    It would be quite the bombshell — more than anything else — if allowed to become public knowledge. If, because I don't think those who've been sitting on this thing for seven decades or more are going to just roll over and admit their defeat.
    Between you and I, I am having a hard time believing that it could be real. Wow! Nah, it's not possible...

    Quote Originally posted by Wind View Post
    Maybe it is, but what explains the blinking lights? Also the movement seems intelligent.

    I wonder why things like the Phoenix Lights hasn't ever gathered more attention.


    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1fW1l1sh-A
    Do you remember me mentioning that I was actually in Phoenix the week that it happened? I was there for a job interview (It went very badly) but I had rented a car and was going to take a drive into those mountains but after a short while, I changed my mind and turned around. I didn't want to stray too far. I didn't know it was going on for at least a few years. But I remember it being hot as hell, at least during the day...like an oven even.

    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    I have seen videos and photos of something like this before. It's a (harmless) byproduct of some industrial process. It looks like a cloud but it's actually a kind of foam. I think it's primarily made up of carbon dioxide, but I'm not sure anymore.

    They get lifted up by the wind like soap bubbles and they can get carried away over quite a distance, but inevitably they will descend onto the ground and just sit there until they slowly dissolve.
    Lenticular clouds.

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    I'm starting to think that the "big" thing Steve Judd and astrologers have been talking about could be this.

    As 2025 would be the start of the new age... So something like the reveal of ufos would change everything.

    Quote Originally posted by Chuckie View Post
    Do you remember me mentioning that I was actually in Phoenix the week that it happened? I was there for a job interview (It went very badly) but I had rented a car and was going to take a drive into those mountains but after a short while, I changed my mind and turned around.
    I don't remember that, but perhaps you should have gone there and your worldview might have been changed.

    I have researched that thing a lot too and heard many testimonies. A massive, silent, triangle shaped object hovering low.

    If mankind has something like that then I'd like to know, but I don't think it would be possible. It had to be an alien craft.
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    Quote Originally posted by Wind View Post
    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    I have seen videos and photos of something like this before. It's a (harmless) byproduct of some industrial process. It looks like a cloud but it's actually a kind of foam. I think it's primarily made up of carbon dioxide, but I'm not sure anymore.

    They get lifted up by the wind like soap bubbles and they can get carried away over quite a distance, but inevitably they will descend onto the ground and just sit there until they slowly dissolve.
    Maybe it is, but what explains the blinking lights? Also the movement seems intelligent.
    I didn't see any blinking lights, and I've watched it twice, full-screen. What I did see was that there were sunlight reflections — it is after all a foam — and you can see the whole thing getting darker and looking dirtier as it descends below the other clouds.

    The movement was just due to the impact of the wind and the turbulence at lower altitude. It was perfectly consistent with how foam moves through the air.

    Quote Originally posted by Wind View Post
    I wonder why things like the Phoenix Lights hasn't ever gathered more attention.
    It was ridiculed by the governor and debunked by the US military, who had allegedly been dropping flares from a plane a few hours earlier. And there is indeed footage of those flares being released, but the actual footage of the Phoenix Lights themselves looks very different from that of the flares.

    Something big was up there in the sky that night, and there were too many credible witnesses, similar to the Belgian UFO flap of 1989-1990. Tens of thousands of witnesses on the ground, including thousands of gendarmes and hundreds of military personnel from Belgium and the Netherlands — it was just near the border with the Netherlands, and it was also picked up by both Belgian and Dutch military air controllers and radars, the latter from a base under direct NATO control. But unlike in the US, our military here was completely transparent about it, and showed the combat radar footage of the two pursuing F-16s during a press conference on TV that very same evening.

    So I'm guessing that the US military was just jerking its knees — whether they were complicit in the cover-up or not — just as they had categorically been denying the existence of UFOs for decades already, notwithstanding that in many cases they could not offer up anything even remotely plausible as a prosaic explanation.





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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    I have seen videos and photos of something like this before. It's a (harmless) byproduct of some industrial process. It looks like a cloud but it's actually a kind of foam. I think it's primarily made up of carbon dioxide, but I'm not sure anymore.

    They get lifted up by the wind like soap bubbles and they can get carried away over quite a distance, but inevitably they will descend onto the ground and just sit there until they slowly dissolve.
    Lenticular clouds.
    No, it's not a lenticular cloud. It's foam, as I said.

    I am now beginning to remember more details about it, albeit not everything yet. It is foam originating from the chemical cleaning of something. So it's essentially just a kind of soap foam, but somewhat denser and more cohesive than your typical household variety.
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    Quote Originally posted by Wind View Post
    I'm starting to think that the "big" thing Steve Judd and astrologers have been talking about could be this.

    As 2025 would be the start of the new age... So something like the reveal of ufos would change everything.
    I thought disclosure was now? The bodies, the wreckage, the back engineered craft.

    It's like trying to catch a mirage. In 2025, we'll be within just a couple years of disclosure. Say, 2028 when the official reveal will be penciled in. But then 2028 rolls around and, well, something came up but a nice even 2030 for sure!

    Like in Harry Chapin's "Cats in the Cradle":

    You know we'll have a good time then
    Then. Never Now.
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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    I thought disclosure was now? The bodies, the wreckage, the back engineered craft.
    You mean this is the disclosure? To us UFO enthusiasts this is nothing new. Aliens always have been here.

    I think "they" are already preparing the masses of people for a soft disclosure and then a full blown one in the near future.

    I don't see the future nor do I know why the US military has been given the green light, but obviously there must be some reason.

    We can only venture out to guess what that might be. Perhaps they know that something is about to happen in the near future.
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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    I thought disclosure was now? The bodies, the wreckage, the back engineered craft.
    I know what you're saying, but let's not get ahead of ourselves here, Brother.

    What is happening here is that a high-ranking military official is coming forward, as has happened before, but this time he's being backed by the Inspector-General and some other high-ranking officials, and that has not happened before.

    Things are on a roll now with regard to how Congress is responding to tthis, because now it is coming to light that this kind of stuff is happening behind their backs, and even behind the regular military's own investigation into the phenomenon. That's a stinker.

    It therefore stands to reason that a Congressional investigation could bring more of this stuff to the surface, which would then indeed lead to the physical evidence and legal proceedings against the private businesses that are stockpiling the, um, "vehicles of non-human origins" and that have been and still are complicit in the cover-up. And maybe they will even get to the bodies, if the military-industrial complex does not dispose of those first in an attempt to minimize the damage to their covert operations.

    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    It's like trying to catch a mirage. In 2025, we'll be within just a couple years of disclosure. Say, 2028 when the official reveal will be penciled in. But then 2028 rolls around and, well, something came up but a nice even 2030 for sure!

    Like in Harry Chapin's "Cats in the Cradle":
    I only know this particular version of the song, but it's a good cover nevertheless.




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    Quote Originally posted by Wind View Post
    You mean this is the disclosure? To us UFO enthusiasts this is nothing new. Aliens always have been here.

    Then surely, ufo enthusiasts are well aware the field of ufology, is easily the most corrupted field of study on Conspiracy Avenue?

    There's also this: It's better to be a stone cold researcher rather than an enthusiast, makes it more difficult to get taken advantage of by those who would pull strings. Like I remember Mr. UFO Disinformation himself Richard Doty saying similar, but about flag waving patriots, because they gave people like him an easier "in". Just approach in a manner that appeals to their patriotism.

    Quote Originally posted by Wind View Post
    I think "they" are already preparing the masses of people for a soft disclosure and then a full blown one in the near future.
    Okay, but this is what "they've" been saying for years, and now it's still being said.

    Then there's also the ones who say disclosure has already happened:
    Col. John Alexander Plants UFO Doubts in New Book: Exclusive Interview

    UFO believers have linked retired Army Col. John Alexander to everything from military abductions to mind control. Now, Alexander, who served as a Green Beret in Vietnam, tells the story of the Advanced Theoretical Physics Group, an informal band of government officials who took it upon themselves to find out whether there was a secret federal UFO project. UFOs: Myths, Conspiracies, and Realities (Thomas Dunne Books, St. Martin's Press) is likely to infuriate both believers and skeptics. Alexander says there was, in the end, no government conspiracy to cover up reports on UFOs, but he also insists that enough credible UFO sightings have been documented to warrant a closer look. Alexander spoke to Popular Mechanics about his new book.
    https://www.popularmechanics.com/spa...s-in-new-book/



    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    What is happening here is that a high-ranking military official is coming forward, as has happened before, but this time he's being backed by the Inspector-General and some other high-ranking officials, and that has not happened before.

    Things are on a roll now with regard to how Congress is responding to tthis, because now it is coming to light that this kind of stuff is happening behind their backs, and even behind the regular military's own investigation into the phenomenon. That's a stinker.

    It therefore stands to reason that a Congressional investigation could bring more of this stuff to the surface, which would then indeed lead to the physical evidence and legal proceedings against the private businesses that are stockpiling the, um, "vehicles of non-human origins" and that have been and still are complicit in the cover-up. And maybe they will even get to the bodies, if the military-industrial complex does not dispose of those first in an attempt to minimize the damage to their covert operations.l
    Sorry, but I see a continuing slow roll out to nowhere, and when I see these Primadonna's like Marco Rubio trotting around out there doing little turns on the catwalk for the cameras for something besides war for a change...

    You know like when a male dog will sometimes lay there and lick his penis in front of everyone? That.

    Anyhoos, I continue the vigil right along with you guys, I'm just not holding my breath any more after giving this thing a good long look in the mouth over a number of years.

    "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice (or 20 times) shame on me". That's what mama taught little Freddie.
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    Desensitization would help humanity accept big changes, there has always been a fear that if the truth were known everyone would go kookooboo. And then Orson Welles is cited. Most of that myth doesn't square with the actual events but in any case, the Aliens have been playing peek-a-boo long enough I daresay. I expect nothing to come of it, like even with first-hand knowledge there will be a plethora of hedges such as, 'well, we can't explain it fully yet', 'this sort of alloy is extremely rare and can only be produced in one or two places in the world', 'the genetics are human, which may or may not mean we are related to them'. The worst outcome would be a criminal charge for diverting funds without proper authorization and all for no reason as there are no craft or aliens or multi-dimensionals.

    I REALLY hope that doesn't happen, but it is what I expect. Rubber hits the road time and it seems I'm a skeptic. I never would have thunk it, perhaps brainwashing does work, one has to be a pretty thorough die-hard to keep the faith for over a half century.

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    Quote Originally posted by Chuckie View Post
    there has always been a fear that if the truth were known everyone would go kookooboo.
    That's how they justify it.

    "Humans, for the most part, don't have a clue.
    They don't want one or need one, either.
    They're happy. They think they have a good bead on things."
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