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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Michio Kaku shares his thoughts on (what is known so far of) the matter.


    I saw that on youtube last night...but I couldn't get myself to watch it. I was still in mourning over the way he was treated in that panel discussion. It could be that his heart and intuition will get him farther and quicker than a 'strict' scientist.

    I was taking a Bible class in another incarnation of college (When I finally got an undergrad I had over 200 class hours...so there just might be hope for the professional student after all) and I related to the Jesuit Priest instructor that I had read a Reader's Digest article years before about emerging knowledge in theoretical physics that ended with this statement: "It is like the scientist has scaled the heights and when at the summit they looked over the edge and they saw a mystic sitting there and he said: "I told you so". The priest wanted me to get a copy for him but I never did.

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    I really wanted to use the Hill as the source of this but oh well. If this is true, it really is a breathtaking development. I keep thinking about the Fermi Paradox. One will have to start wondering just how much of the last 75 years of bizarre reports are true. I've been waiting for 60 years for this.


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    Quote Originally posted by Chuckie View Post
    I keep thinking about the Fermi Paradox.
    Considering the thousands of UFO sightings and contactee/abductee reports — and trusting in the premise that not every single one of them would be a crackpot or a person stupid enough to conflate swamp gas, the planet Venus or a weather balloon with an actual extraterrestrial craft — I've always considered the Fermi Paradox a form of sticking one's head in the sand like an ostrich, or sticking one's fingers in one's ears like a child going "Na na na na na na, I can't hear you!"

    Furthermore, it has until recently always been an unspoken rule in mainstream journalism that anyone who brings up the subject of UFOs should be publicly mocked and ridiculed. And some of the government-assigned debunkers would upon being confronted with the indisputable evidence almost go so far as to say something along the lines of "Yes, I will admit that it's not made of a material we have here on Earth, and yes, I will admit it doesn't have a propulsion system of the kinds we have here on Earth, but it's not extraterrestrials." As if it cannot be, due to some mysterious irrefutable evidence from who-knows-where that we would indeed be all alone in the universe.

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    One will have to start wondering just how much of the last 75 years of bizarre reports are true.
    Yes, indeed. And I suspect that the percentage will be quite high. Definitely not the full 100% — because the world is full of crackpots — but I reckon at least some 60-70%.

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    I've been waiting for 60 years for this.
    I too have always wondered when we were going to meet them, ever since I was a little boy. I grew up with sci-fi movies and series, although in those days — and especially in the small backwater village where I grew up — people's imagination reached no farther than that UFOs would have been coming from Mars.
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Considering the thousands of UFO sightings and contactee/abductee reports — and trusting in the premise that not every single one of them would be a crackpot or a person stupid enough to conflate swamp gas, the planet Venus or a weather balloon with an actual extraterrestrial craft — I've always considered the Fermi Paradox a form of sticking one's head in the sand like an ostrich, or sticking one's fingers in one's ears like a child going "Na na na na na na, I can't hear you!"

    Furthermore, it has until recently always been an unspoken rule in mainstream journalism that anyone who brings up the subject of UFOs should be publicly mocked and ridiculed. And some of the government-assigned debunkers would upon being confronted with the indisputable evidence almost go so far as to say something along the lines of "Yes, I will admit that it's not made of a material we have here on Earth, and yes, I will admit it doesn't have a propulsion system of the kinds we have here on Earth, but it's not extraterrestrials." As if it cannot be, due to some mysterious irrefutable evidence from who-knows-where that we would indeed be all alone in the universe.



    Yes, indeed. And I suspect that the percentage will be quite high. Definitely not the full 100% — because the world is full of crackpots — but I reckon at least some 60-70%.



    I too have always wondered when we were going to meet them, ever since I was a little boy. I grew up with sci-fi movies and series, although in those days — and especially in the small backwater village where I grew up — people's imagination reached no farther than that UFOs would have been coming from Mars.
    yes, everything you say seems pretty accurate. While watching the Hill report last night one thing occurred to me. Interdimensional?! But then the report says 'nuts and bolts'. Maybe both are the same which would be even wilder. Physical transportation from other dimensions? It makes Michio Kaku look a little less foolish and that is the value of an 'open' mind.

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    Quote Originally posted by Chuckie View Post
    yes, everything you say seems pretty accurate. While watching the Hill report last night one thing occurred to me. Interdimensional?! But then the report says 'nuts and bolts'. Maybe both are the same which would be even wilder. Physical transportation from other dimensions? It makes Michio Kaku look a little less foolish and that is the value of an 'open' mind.
    Well, considering that they move non-relativistically and that they can traverse interstellar space in little time, there definitely has to be an interdimensional aspect to it. And this then begs the question to what extent. Is it only their propulsion system, or are they themselves interdimensional as well?

    Questions, questions...
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    The latest update from NewsNation below. Apparently they will be broadcasting the entire interview at 21:00 EST tonight. Due to the timezone difference, it'll be 03:00 over here in Belgium at that point, and I've got an appointment with the neurologist tomorrow as a followup to the brain scan last Tuesday.

    This meeting with the neurologist will take place at the hospital in the nearby city — the one where I spent three days between Boxing Day and New Year's Eve in 2022. The hospital has an underground parking garage, but it's still difficult to find a spot there, and in addition to that, I am having some electrical problems with the engine management system of my car, so I have to make sure that I set off early enough. And as if that's not all, we're having a heatwave over here right now, with a predicted temperature of 31°C tomorrow, and my car sleeps outside, so it'll be an oven by the time I set off.

    Anyway, all of the above just so as to say that I won't be able to watch this interview in real-time, because I want to go to bed early in order not to miss my appointment with the neurologist. But just as a preliminary opinion, I will say that I stick with my initial impressions regarding David Grusch's body language and facial expressions.

    I do believe that what he says is true — we've all known about this, haven't we? — but I also do feel that he's got an agenda and that he comes across as a narcissist. His facial expressions and body language in front of the camera are worse than those of a bad B-movie actor, and more in line with how an attention-starved person would act in front of a camera. Or a bad PR guy in a propaganda campaign.

    I'm pretty certain that the US government does indeed possess alien technology — and they won't be the only such government — but I can only guess as to David Grusch's motives. It could be anything from as simple as that he wants to be the next Steven Greer — speaking of narcissists — all the way over to some US-military agenda involving public acceptance of the active use of "exotic" technology in the battlefield, or perhaps as a scarecrow pointed at the Russians and the Chinese that if and when push comes to shove, the USA has the technology to beat them, or perhaps a rally for extra funding for the weaponization of space.

    Either way, Grusch has an agenda. I don't know yet what it is, but it's there, trust me.


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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    The latest update from NewsNation below. Apparently they will be broadcasting the entire interview at 21:00 EST tonight. Due to the timezone difference, it'll be 03:00 over here in Belgium at that point, and I've got an appointment with the neurologist tomorrow as a followup to the brain scan last Tuesday.

    This meeting with the neurologist will take place at the hospital in the nearby city — the one where I spent three days between Boxing Day and New Year's Eve in 2022. The hospital has an underground parking garage, but it's still difficult to find a spot there, and in addition to that, I am having some electrical problems with the engine management system of my car, so I have to make sure that I set off early enough. And as if that's not all, we're having a heatwave over here right now, with a predicted temperature of 31°C tomorrow, and my car sleeps outside, so it'll be an oven by the time I set off.

    Anyway, all of the above just so as to say that I won't be able to watch this interview in real-time, because I want to go to bed early in order not to miss my appointment with the neurologist. But just as a preliminary opinion, I will say that I stick with my initial impressions regarding David Grusch's body language and facial expressions.

    I do believe that what he says is true — we've all known about this, haven't we? — but I also do feel that he's got an agenda and that he comes across as a narcissist. His facial expressions and body language in front of the camera are worse than those of a bad B-movie actor, and more in line with how an attention-starved person would act in front of a camera. Or a bad PR guy in a propaganda campaign.

    I'm pretty certain that the US government does indeed possess alien technology — and they won't be the only such government — but I can only guess as to David Grusch's motives. It could be anything from as simple as that he wants to be the next Steven Greer — speaking of narcissists — all the way over to some US-military agenda involving public acceptance of the active use of "exotic" technology in the battlefield, or perhaps as a scarecrow pointed at the Russians and the Chinese that if and when push comes to shove, the USA has the technology to beat them, or perhaps a rally for extra funding for the weaponization of space.

    Either way, Grusch has an agenda. I don't know yet what it is, but it's there, trust me.


    There is an agenda or he wouldn't be in the place he is. I read his body language a little differently. Admittedly his look could be construed as narcissism, but if you notice the cast of his head as he talks, you might notice the tilt...that tilt is insecurity, quite possibly because of camera shyness or maybe just stress that what he is doing could backfire in a big way. He also 'needs desperately' to appear confident which seems contradictory for someone in his position. From a rare earth view, it is not often that someone achieves his status that actually does not like attention or 'to rock the boat' or has a conscience. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt right now.

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    Quote Originally posted by Chuckie View Post
    There is an agenda or he wouldn't be in the place he is. I read his body language a little differently. Admittedly his look could be construed as narcissism, but if you notice the cast of his head as he talks, you might notice the tilt...that tilt is insecurity, quite possibly because of camera shyness or maybe just stress that what he is doing could backfire in a big way.
    That's not how I read it at all. To me, that tilt of his head and his exaggerated cranial movements when he answers those questions indicate the exact opposite, i.e. that he's feeling very secure, and very comfortable in his shoes — too comfortable, actually.

    Of course, his motives are one thing, and the information he brings forth is another. I'm mainly interested in the latter, and as the information is being revealed, we will then also get a better idea of the former.
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    That's not how I read it at all. To me, that tilt of his head and his exaggerated cranial movements when he answers those questions indicate the exact opposite, i.e. that he's feeling very secure, and very comfortable in his shoes — too comfortable, actually.

    Of course, his motives are one thing, and the information he brings forth is another. I'm mainly interested in the latter, and as the information is being revealed, we will then also get a better idea of the former.
    True 'dat ... you sound pretty confident, that makes me worry...

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    Yeah, I picked up on the body language right away. Wouldn't surprise me he has narcissistic psychopathic traits. Seemed over confident considering the circumstances. I would expect just the slightest expression of wariness coming through.

    But people who rise to a high level in intelligence circles often have the warrior gene, are somewhat fearless. Likely the reason they persist is they are rewarded with mating opportunities in societies that value ground breaking and novelty seeking.

    It makes sense he's a bit of a psycho and also telling the truth and is uniquely positioned in all ways, including genetics to do so.

    A ground breaker describing the literal ground breaking phenomenon of a crash retrieval is like a cosmic wink.

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    Bear in mind that I'm not that good about body language (facial), I've done a number of tests and usually do miserably, but I did notice the contradictory head shakes and the 'pursing of the lips' which was my true first impression...I'm going to go further and say, I think the head shakes might be due to the fact that he knows he is in the 'role of a whistleblower' but I believe he is being sanctioned by the powers that be. Additionally, he is not convinced that what he has been 'told' is the truth but he is moving forward with it. One peculiar thing about government and security is that they might say "Yeah, go ahead and do this" and then set him up as a patsy, thus the alleged mistreatment.


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    Quote Originally posted by Chuckie View Post
    Bear in mind that I'm not that good about body language (facial), I've done a number of tests and usually do miserably, but I did notice the contradictory head shakes and the 'pursing of the lips' which was my true first impression...I'm going to go further and say, I think the head shakes might be due to the fact that he knows he is in the 'role of a whistleblower' but I believe he is being sanctioned by the powers that be. Additionally, he is not convinced that what he has been 'told' is the truth but he is moving forward with it. One peculiar thing about government and security is that they might say "Yeah, go ahead and do this" and then set him up as a patsy, thus the alleged mistreatment.
    Yes, the chances of this actually being a government-orchestrated campaign are very real.

    Either way, I'm only quickly dropping in now to post the entire interview while I myself am watching it — it's 42 minutes in length — because I have to scoot out the door after that, and I probably won't be back until later tonight.


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    Some noted I made while watching this:

    11:28 - Inspector General has the proof, I have the credentials

    12:30 - Speculation about interdimensional travel

    16:00 - Can't talk about Roswell

    18:00 - Reason for secrecy is feudalistic dominance who can have asymmetric dominance for fueling the war machine

    23:00 - Says videos released thus far are just the tip of the ice burgh

    27:45 - Malevolent activity has occurred

    29:00 - In a competition with our adversaries to understand this

    33:45 - I don't want fame or fortune, I'm just here to provide public leadership on an issue I uncovered and I found was totally fucking outrageous.

    34:55 - This is not a lie

    35:00 - I am for real, and I'm sitting here at great personal risk, and obvious professional risk

    36:00 - (Essentially) all the evidence checked out

    37:50 - Interviewer: "The word credible is important. An official, investigatory body of the United States government has determined that your allegations are credible"./

    Grusch: "Correct"

    Tease: "Coming up. If it is true, then what, what are we going to do if the biggest secret on the planet, is now out in the open? And what are they, going to do?"

    The rest: Grusch wants change. Is starting a foundation. Is willing to further debrief down to the finest details. Wants a pause to see if this information can unite us.
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Yes, the chances of this actually being a government-orchestrated campaign are very real.

    Either way, I'm only quickly dropping in now to post the entire interview while I myself am watching it — it's 42 minutes in length — because I have to scoot out the door after that, and I probably won't be back until later tonight.


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