Intelligence officials say the US has retrieved craft of non-human origin

**Emil El Zapato** · 7th June 2023, 11:12

Originally posted by Aragorn

Very good information there.

I must say that, now that I've actually seen David Grusch talking before the camera, he does immediately come across as rather full of himself, and perhaps even narcissistic. It is evident that he appears to know what he's talking about because he has rehearsed it a dozen times before in front of a mirror, including the B-movie-/advertising-style over-the-top facial expressions that anyone with a two-digit IQ will most definitely fall for, while those with an IQ in the three-digit range would be rather inclined to raise an eyebrow — and a red flag.

As the man in your last video here-above said — and as I myself wrote higher up as well — we all know and have known for many years that this stuff is true, but there's that, and then there's this David Grusch character. Something's not right with this picture.

One thing that I now also feel I should mention and that I omitted from my copy/paste job in the opening post is that the comments underneath the photos of David Grusch in the original article at The Debrief all stated that his photos were his copyright and could not be published anywhere without his permission. In and of itself, that, to me, had a bit of a Corey Goode feeling about it.

To be continued, I guess...

The 'all of a sudden' is the host's 'twist' to spit out HIS own agenda. gawd! We should be able to recognize such things by now. Not that it is by definition all wrong, it is just agendized and political and really chaps my hide.

The endpoint of the interview brings up my 'opinion' of 'captured alien craft'. Not 'captured' but 'donated'. Sorry but this interview is so off the alien beam that it shouldn't even exist. This kind of stuff is completely contrary to serious investigation and just perpetuates the eternal struggle of the Hegelian Dialectic. It is distressing to me.

**Emil El Zapato** · 7th June 2023, 11:45

Originally posted by Aragorn

Or a support rally in the public opinion for more military spending on the US Space Force. You know, "Alienses are bad. We must kills them before they kills us."

In the USA, "Obstruction of Justice" can mean whatever The Powers That Be™ would want it to mean, given that they've time and again failed to demonstrate a clear comprehension of what exactly entails justice.

it was called 'campaign fraud' and the right called it 'selective justice'

**Aragorn** · 7th June 2023, 12:08

Originally posted by Chuckie

it was called 'campaign fraud' and the right called it 'selective justice'

That is not what I was alluding to, but thank you for successfully introducing the US's internal bipartisan war into a thread where it had thus far — preposterously, I know — managed to remain unmentioned for a whole 16 posts.

**Emil El Zapato** · 7th June 2023, 13:55

Originally posted by Aragorn

That is not what I was alluding to, but thank you for successfully introducing the US's internal bipartisan war into a thread where it had thus far — preposterously, I know — managed to remain unmentioned for a whole 16 posts.

No, No, No, Aragorn...that video introduced the 'usual suspects', I just followed up with it. That was my point about going outside the realm of 'serious investigation' into agendas. I hate this more than you do, trust me! Alienses is one thing I DO take seriously.

**Aragorn** · 7th June 2023, 16:39

Ross Coulthart discusses the background of the interview — 58 minutes.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQjbFZT9_EM

**Fred Steeves** · 7th June 2023, 18:45

Originally posted by Aragorn

Nevertheless, this information coming from genuine intelligence community whistleblowers — as opposed to the so-called "Alternative Community™" charlatans we've been witnessing and enduring over these past 20+ years — is quite the bombshell,

....

Okay, serious observations here. What exactly is Grusch bringing to the table, besides more talk, and promises of more... period?

Below is listed every sentence where it "appears" he's giving some tantalizing information, when in fact he's giving us nothing more than the long line of Alternative Community "whistleblowers" have given us, which is a whole lot of talk and story telling.

- A former intelligence official turned whistleblower has given Congress and the Intelligence Community Inspector General extensive classified information about deeply covert programs that he says possess retrieved intact and partially intact craft of non-human origin.

The information, he says, has been illegally withheld from Congress, and he filed a complaint alleging that he suffered illegal retaliation for his confidential disclosures, reported here for the first time.

Other intelligence officials, both active and retired, with knowledge of these programs through their work in various agencies, have independently provided similar, corroborating information, both on and off the record.

Grusch said the recoveries of partial fragments through and up to intact vehicles have been made for decades through the present day by the government, its allies, and defense contractors.

“We are not talking about prosaic origins or identities,” Grusch said, referencing information he provided Congress and the current ICIG. “The material includes intact and partially intact vehicles.”

“A number of well-placed current and former officials have shared detailed information with me regarding this alleged program, including insights into the history, governing documents and the location where a craft was allegedly abandoned and recovered,” Mellon said.

An unclassified version of the complaint provided to us states that Grusch has direct knowledge that UAP-related classified information has been withheld and/or concealed from Congress by “elements” of the intelligence community “to purposely and intentionally thwart legitimate Congressional oversight of the UAP Program.” All testimony Grusch provided for the classified complaint was provided under oath.

Beginning in 2022, Grusch provided Congress with hours of recorded classified information transcribed into hundreds of pages which included specific data about the materials recovery program. Congress has not been provided with any physical materials related to wreckage or other non-human objects.

According to the unclassified complaint, in July 2021, Grusch had confidentially provided classified information to the Department of Defense Inspector General concerning the withholding of UAP-related information from Congress. He believed that his identity, and the fact that he had provided testimony, were disclosed “to individuals and/or entities” within the Department of Defense and the Intelligence Community outside the IG’s office. He did not allege that this information was improperly disclosed by any member of that office.

As a result, Grusch suffered months of retaliation and reprisals related to these disclosures beginning in 2021. He asked that details of these reprisals be withheld to protect the integrity of the ongoing investigation.

According to Grusch, certain information which he obtained in his investigation could not be put before Congressional staffers because they did not have the necessary clearances or the appropriate investigative authority.

“A vast array of our most sophisticated sensors, including space-based platforms, have been utilized by different agencies, typically in triplicate, to observe and accurately identify the out-of-this-world nature, performance, and design of these anomalous machines, which are then determined not to be of earthly origin,” Grey said.

https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-...n-human-craft/

Remember this guy? He's still got "whistleblowers" out there doing (evidence free) story telling as well:

Historic press event on UAP/UFO disclosure in Washington, DC

WASHINGTON, May 24, 2023 /PRNewswire/ -- Dr. Steven M. Greer, founder of the Disclosure Project and one of the world's leading authorities on the UFO/UAP issue, will be presenting definitive evidence of illegal unacknowledged black budget projects related to UFO/UAP operations in Washington DC – 2pm on JUNE 12, 2023 at the National Press Club.

Story Time:

He will be joined by several top-secret Government whistleblowers, who will be presenting compelling testimony. These whistleblowers include a U.S. Marine who witnessed a manmade UAP offloading illegal weapons and drugs in Indonesia in 2009.

The Disclosure intelligence UFO archive, consisting of over 5 terabytes of government documents, whistleblower testimony and specific locations of illegally operated UFO projects and corporations will also be unveiled. Over 700 military, intelligence and corporate whistleblowers are included in this vast archive.

Additionally, some of the 119 crash/retrieval events of extraterrestrial vehicles will be summarized and presented. The Disclosure Archive contains intelligence on all these cases.

A summary of advanced energy and propulsion technologies that have been illegally confiscated and suppressed will be presented.

Over the course of the last 30 years, Dr. Greer has identified over 700 high-level government and corporate whistleblowers willing to testify on their direct involvement with the UFO/ET matter, advanced energy and propulsion systems and the existence of covert government programs that are run illegally.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/histo...210400351.html

My continuing question?

Where's the beef?

**Emil El Zapato** · 7th June 2023, 19:32

This is precisely why 'verification and validation' is an important part of deciphering ANY message.

**Aragorn** · 7th June 2023, 19:41

Originally posted by Fred Steeves

Okay, serious observations here. What exactly is Grusch bringing to the table, besides more talk, and promises of more... period?

I'm not saying the guy is legit, Fred — I've already vocalized my own impressions and reservations higher up the thread — but the fact that this is a mainstream guy with credible (and proven) qualifications does raise my expectations that this is going to go somewhere, as opposed to Greer and his woo-woo stories. Greer doesn't even make any efforts at contacting any mainstream news media, limiting himself to fringe media only, as long as they let him think he's a hero of some sorts — which within the so-called Alternative Community™ he is, sort of.

Sure, there were the Disclosure Witnesses back in 2001, but none of those were truly people from within the upper echelons of the US military-industrial complex, and Greer seems to have mostly abandoned them many years ago — leaving things into the hands of Stephen Bassett, who also doesn't quite have both of his feet on the ground — while pursuing only the woo-woo stuff and supporting himself at that with testimonies from questionable witnesses.

The full interview with Grusch will be published somewhere within the coming week, and what has been shown of it so far were only teasers. So let's just wait until after the publication of the full interview before we cast any judgment.

**Fred Steeves** · 7th June 2023, 20:26

Originally posted by Aragorn

I'm not saying the guy is legit, Fred — I've already vocalized my own impressions and reservations higher up the thread — but the fact that this is a mainstream guy with credible (and proven) qualifications does raise my expectations that this is going to go somewhere, as opposed to Greer and his woo-woo stories.

Oh come on now, there's been too many to shake a stick at brother.

There's no shortage of people in Alternative Media that have plenty of mainstream credentials. Three of them were in BR's Project Serpo behind the scenes "Team Of Five": Hal Puthoff (NSA), Richard Doty (AFOSI), Christopher Green (CIA). There's been many others, generals, colonels, alphabet soup, etc.

Originally posted by Aragorn

Greer doesn't even make any efforts at contacting any mainstream news media, limiting himself to fringe media only,

Historic press event on UAP/UFO disclosure in Washington, DC

WASHINGTON, May 24, 2023 /PRNewswire/ -- Dr. Steven M. Greer, founder of the Disclosure Project and one of the world's leading authorities on the UFO/UAP issue, will be presenting definitive evidence of illegal unacknowledged black budget projects related to UFO/UAP operations in Washington DC – 2pm on JUNE 12, 2023 at the National Press Club.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/histo...210400351.html

June 12, 2023 - National Press Club - No small potatoes.
https://www.press.org/events/event-calendar

And back in 2001 - he's been out there.
https://www.worldcat.org/title/52741633

Originally posted by Aragorn

The full interview with Grusch will be published somewhere within the coming week, and what has been shown of it so far were only teasers. So let's just wait until after the publication of the full interview before we cast any judgment.

Okay, I'll for sure watch it. But I predict we get nothing more than we already have, which is hearsay, stories, and people in certain little clicks running around vouching for each other. Just like all the Alternative whistleblowers. The two realms may not be all that much dissimilar any more, the lines are really getting blurred.

**Emil El Zapato** · 7th June 2023, 21:52

For Whatever It's Worth:

On the other side of the coin: Paul Hellyer, Minister of Defence had no first-hand info, just 'stories' he was told. He ended up in my crackpot barrel before it was all said and done. But you are right, Aragorn...all we can do is wait and see with a healthy, very healthy skepticism.

Despite the sneering words of Juan DeSouza, Coulthart is a very respectable journalist in a pretty sketchy field of work.

**Octopus Garden** · 7th June 2023, 23:36

Originally posted by Aragorn

Very good information there. :like

One thing that I now also feel I should mention and that I omitted from my copy/paste job in the opening post is that the comments underneath the photos of David Grusch in the original article at The Debrief all stated that his photos were his copyright and could not be published anywhere without his permission. In and of itself, that, to me, had a bit of a Corey Goode feeling about it.

To be continued, I guess...

Funny you should say that. Do you mean his own pix of himself? Today, on Twitter, Steven Greer started a thread that started out with the same posed pic of Grusche that's been circulating recently. Under the pic Greer tweets that words to the effect that he mentored Grusche! OMG.

Grusche has asked Greer specifically not to use his name to endorse his upcoming Disclosure dog and pony show. I doubt he would want this pic associated with the event either. That would be worse.

From reading between the lines it looks like Greer invited himself to speak to Grusche, talked a lot, but made zero impression on him. Grusche would have been well aware of him and further to that warned not to take him seriously by Gary Nolan, Chris Melon, Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal.

Greer has found himself a parade and is marching in front of it. Such a narcissist!

**Octopus Garden** · 7th June 2023, 23:46

The witnesses Grusch spoke to testified under oath, about what they had seen. This is a far cry from some of the nitwits in the alternative community grifting for money.

They risk a lot, as they could end up cannon fodder in the war between agencies hidden deep within the Pentagon and agencies within the Pentagon that are more transparent and network more with elected officials or higher ups appointed by elected officials.