Intelligence officials say the US has retrieved craft of non-human origin

**Emil El Zapato** · 30th July 2023, 12:47

Originally posted by Octopus Garden

A bit of a change of topic here, but maybe somebody here can help me with this thought and it may relate to the topic in an indirect way. It's about time, with a capital T.

Is there some kind of Planck point of moments? Because, it seems that being "in the moment" or description of present tense, is just a kind of device that is useful as a loose approximation.

If I break down the current moment, which is always retreating into the past, into smaller and smaller increments, doesn't it seem that we are really floating in a sea of past and future? There is no actual present moment, and expressions like, "all at once," are equally illusory?

And the idea that "all you have is the present moment," is a bit ridiculous?

Interesting question...it seems logical to deduce that...but in my mind the Planck constant is the 'limit' of our ability to apprehend quantum reality which is very different from what we experience as human observers. But, it is almost as difficult to comprehend the infinity of relativity (time) which we do experience in everyday life.

I just read that there are questions of time that require answers from as yet unanswered quantum reality. It's a trick, we can't answer the question which in science and mathematics is characterized as the "Hard Question"...

It is in a class of problems that if one is proved then all the problems can be generalized within the given proof. (e.g. The Non-determinism problem).

I'm going to agree with you, the common perception that we have only the moment is silly, The nature of reality is a continuum of state changes...Ephemeral as they may be, there is more to the answer. The past and probably the future are accessible.

Originally posted by Wind

But what else you have than the present moment? The past is only a memory and the future is potential.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX8j9TE7P38

The 'ineffable'

Poincare's point: "A point has no magnitude" (paraphrase)

Poincare was cool:
So, Poincaré believed that scientific laws are conventions but not arbitrary conventions. Perhaps he was a little obsessed with Poin...

**Emil El Zapato** · 30th July 2023, 13:07

Originally posted by Aragorn

If you need me to explain a certain thing, just ask.

The video below will already explain the basics.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzQC3uYL67U

Light is really really smart? How can that be?

I'm famous for my derivation of Reimann mathematics...just ignore the curvature and calculate from the beginning and endpoint. Famous for being an idiot. It did work for one case but cannot be generalized. That is the way I do math...

**Octopus Garden** · 30th July 2023, 20:35

Originally posted by Aragorn

If you need me to explain a certain thing, just ask.

The video below will already explain the basics.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzQC3uYL67U

Thanks so much, Aragorn. The problem is I don't understand the explanations very well. I'm not wired that way.

**Octopus Garden** · 30th July 2023, 21:11

Originally posted by Chuckie

Interesting question...it seems logical to deduce that...but in my mind the Planck constant is the 'limit' of our ability to apprehend quantum reality which is very different from what we experience as human observers. But, it is almost as difficult to comprehend the infinity of relativity (time) which we do experience in everyday life.

I just read that there are questions of time that require answers from as yet unanswered quantum reality. It's a trick, we can't answer the question which in science and mathematics is characterized as the "Hard Question"...

It is in a class of problems that if one is proved then all the problems can be generalized within the given proof. (e.g. The Non-determinism problem).

I'm going to agree with you, the common perception that we have only the moment is silly, The nature of reality is a continuum of state changes...Ephemeral as they may be, there is more to the answer. The past and probably the future are accessible.

The 'ineffable'

Poincare's point: "A point has no magnitude" (paraphrase)

Poincare was cool:
So, Poincaré believed that scientific laws are conventions but not arbitrary conventions. Perhaps he was a little obsessed with Poin...

When we refer to memory with regards time, too, it's fuzzier than the event that is remembered. The way we perceive time then, is partly related to a subjective measurement of entropy (fuzziness)

In a more open system, (if we could perceive it,) we may view events embedded in a fractal universe that is expanding and increasing in complexity, along with those events, illuminating that entropy, as we define it, is only one way of measuring past in a closed system.

And interesting about the planck point being the smallest unit of the limits of observation only. I have often wondered about that. I didn't even need pot to figure that one out!

**Wind** · 30th July 2023, 21:30

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zaDG87HFSM

**Octopus Garden** · 30th July 2023, 21:36

I LOVE Alan Watts. I always feel like such a dull witted, when I listen to him and people of his caliber. I was kind of relieved to find out he was an alcoholic. Sad for him, but made me feel more on top of my game!!

**Octopus Garden** · 30th July 2023, 21:42

Originally posted by Chuckie

Light is really really smart? How can that be?

I'm famous for my derivation of Reimann mathematics...just ignore the curvature and calculate from the beginning and endpoint. Famous for being an idiot. It did work for one case but cannot be generalized. That is the way I do math...

Cool. Jacques Lusseyran claimed as much as we reach for the light, it reaches for us too. That is such a beautiful thought and so spiritually evocative it makes me emotional.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohp6OmzBUUY

**Wind** · 30th July 2023, 21:50

Originally posted by Octopus Garden

I LOVE Alan Watts. I always feel like such a dull witted, when I listen to him and people of his caliber. I was kind of relieved to find out he was an alcoholic. Sad for him, but made me feel more on top of my game!!

You're funny. I think Alan was very wise and even today I've not heard people talking in the funny and witty manner he did, but I am not sure what made him into an alcoholic, there could be many reasons. Addictions can be the bane of very wise people too, but it just means that they still haven't overcome something in themselves. My theory is that he was at least subconsciously depressed about the state of the world and let himself not care too much about what happens to himself, or to his body to precise. He seemed to be a "happy drunkard". I could be wrong though.

**Octopus Garden** · 31st July 2023, 00:59

Back to original topic!

This from someone who claims he worked on crash retrieval biologics. Fascinating. Wow. Seems legit. If not it's a great fake.

https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comm...name=mweb3xcss

**Emil El Zapato** · 31st July 2023, 12:23

Originally posted by Octopus Garden

Cool. Jacques Lusseyran claimed as much as we reach for the light, it reaches for us too. That is such a beautiful thought and so spiritually evocative it makes me emotional.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohp6OmzBUUY

Nice find!

**Emil El Zapato** · 31st July 2023, 12:57

Originally posted by Wind

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zaDG87HFSM

I remember reading about an experiment done on people falling from a platform into the water. It was focused on the perception of time...it was interesting but I don't remember the results, I think it was examining if perception actually modified the behavior of time.

Some scientists consider the future 'making' the past as possible. So he was ahead of his time in that regard.

If I had thoughts like that, I'd get drunk too. Probably high also.

Life is a conundrum.

**Emil El Zapato** · 31st July 2023, 16:26

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz2dIeKV1rk

**modwiz** · 1st August 2023, 07:07

A philosopher's take on the Grush meeting with US gooberment.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFsJgJ3EMQw

**Silly Wabbit** · 3rd August 2023, 05:16

Pardon my disgruntled rant at the end, but I am so tired of this ball and cup game, where people who want actual truth have to spend their entire adult live's flipping through trash for any scrap of truth, as those who believe they are our leaders, aren't honest... It has gotten beyond revolting at this point...

I want to admit I have yet to finish the entire thread, but what made me stop and not take this seriously, as anything more than an "orchestrated event", is that the same language is being used everywhere when it comes to any kind of disclosure..... and this is no exception...

Is it not the case that when someone "Whistleblows"... That "Whistle blowing" means everyone hears the alarm? Edward Snowden comes to mind here, yet these same individuals are using the same "Bait and Switch" techniques that they always do, and it is BEYOND laughable at this point..

"Some didn't have high enough clearances to learn some details..." Just more: "I heard", "I read", "I saw..." But all I can do is make suggestions without details because you can't know... UM FOLKS, that is not a whistle blower... It's a dog and pony show...And who are they telling anyway? The one's who have been lying to the public about it FOREVER already...

You yourself, aren't in "the club" so I can't prove it to you, and those that DID get the testimony and information, well, they already knew, and they have been the one's covering it up all along... and they're certainly NOT going to tell YOU...

These individuals have a problem with morals and human ethics, and all should have failed background clearance checks... The first question is probably, "Would you lie to the public if we asked you to, and never expose the truth?" Some code of honor, the phrase itself is laughable... I can't believe I wasted so much time of my life hoping that any of these schmuck's had any integrity.

**Fred Steeves** · 3rd August 2023, 10:51

"Whistleblower", as spoken of by Western authorities any more, is almost as empty and vacuous as when they speak glowingly of "democracy". Language is being weaponized just as in Orwell's "1984".