If Not Trump

[Aragorn]

Sounds like a parochial school to me and Catholic parents, as well.

My mother was definitely a Catholic, albeit not as old-school strict about the Catholic rules as my maternal grandmother was. But then again, my grandmother was the more forgiving, more understanding and more fair one, and she didn't have a mean fiber in her body. She would often defend me against my mother's temper and/or offer a refuge and a listening ear for my own complaints, even though I never really talked about school with her — not about the bullying anyway.

As for the school being parochial, no, it most definitely wasn't. It was a renowned school in the nearest-by city — it had a reputation for being quite demanding, and being able to graduate from there was considered a perk — and it was by far also not the only Catholic boys school there. However, in those days — and this is very different now — the school's management was entirely made up of Jesuit priests, several of whom were also active as teachers. Some of the teaching priests — like the one for Dutch and the one for religion in my senior year — were actually quite cool, but not all of them were.

The school had been a training facility for Jesuit priests in the 19th century, and possibly part of the 20th century too, but then it switched to being a generic Catholic boys school — elementary school, middle school and high school — and nowadays it's co-ed and run by laypeople. There was a dorm too, but I never was an intern there — in the sense of sleeping over at the school — because it was only one hour by way of the public transport bus from where we lived.

[Diabolical Boids]

Aragorn your mother sounds like the 'treasure' mine was.

[Emil El Zapato]

My mother was definitely a Catholic, albeit not as old-school strict about the Catholic rules as my maternal grandmother was. But then again, my grandmother was the more forgiving, more understanding and more fair one, and she didn't have a mean fiber in her body. She would often defend me against my mother's temper and/or offer a refuge and a listening ear for my own complaints, even though I never really talked about school with her — not about the bullying anyway.

As for the school being parochial, no, it most definitely wasn't. It was a renowned school in the nearest-by city — it had a reputation for being quite demanding, and being able to graduate from there was considered a perk — and it was by far also not the only Catholic boys school there. However, in those days — and this is very different now — the school's management was entirely made up of Jesuit priests, several of whom were also active as teachers. Some of the teaching priests — like the one for Dutch and the one for religion in my senior year — were actually quite cool, but not all of them were.

The school had been a training facility for Jesuit priests in the 19th century, and possibly part of the 20th century too, but then it switched to being a generic Catholic boys school — elementary school, middle school and high school — and nowadays it's co-ed and run by laypeople. There was a dorm too, but I never was an intern there — in the sense of sleeping over at the school — because it was only one hour by way of the public transport bus from where we lived.

Parochial school is what we called 'religious' oriented schools. Not really related to the definition of Parochial...A Jesuit led school would be highly valued...mine was Franciscan ... Sacred Heart to be exact.

[Aianawa]

This is completely dragging the thread off-topic — which is wrong, even though I personally really can't muster any sympathy for yet another thread on this forum about US-internal political affairs — but I do feel like I need to offer a modicum of context with the below quotes...




The thing is that I had already long been a bully victim — essentially ever since I started attending school — due to the fact that I was such an easy target. I was a very gentle and docile boy. And one of the kids I grew up with — I won't get into too many details, but we were from the same village, he's exactly one week older than I am, there were several parallels between his life and mine, we both played musical instruments, and I have known him since kindergarten, even though we've never been friends — ended up in my class group when I entered high school.

This guy was/is an alpha male and a narcissist, and he has no qualm about using and manipulating people. He also always aligned himself with the tough guys in every class group — you know, the ones who always end up sitting at the back of the classroom — because he also thought of himself as cool and tough. And for some reason, this guy has always disliked or hated me — I've never known why, but he in turn was not the kind of person I wanted to hang out with either, because he was the kind that always got himself into trouble — and he was the one who started the bullying spree, presumably because he thought of me as some kind of competition. But sitting there at the back of the classroom, he soon became buddies with another narcissistic character, who also happened to have a severe degree of ADHD — he was loud, wild, and he always wanted to be at the center of attention.

The guy I had "grown up with" left the school after one year in order to switch toward a different educational direction that was not offered at our school, but his buddy remained in my class group, and then he immediately took over as the leader of the pack, carrying on with the bullying.

I guess that for them, it was just a way to channel their aggression. Some of the bullies actually turned out quite nice if you caught them outside of school, and some would even display a bit of remorse over the role they had been playing while in school.

As for my parents, that was just them taking out their own frustrations on me — my dad was in a wheelchair and my mom was an alcoholic — and for that matter, not just on me, because my brother caught some of that too, albeit that he was very outdoorsy and would quickly get on his bicycle and ride off whenever he felt the heat rising. But I was a very introverted and indoorsy kid, and so I was — again — an easy target.

Anyway, I don't want to get too deep into this here, because this is all off-topic.

If say at some LeveL we are all one, all is on topic n the only butt may be if it feels incorrect, imo.

[Diabolical Boids]

Parochial school is what we called 'religious' oriented schools. Not really related to the definition of Parochial...A Jesuit led school would be highly valued...mine was Franciscan ... Sacred Heart to be exact.

In the US parochial means associated with a specific church or parish. Your corner Church with a school attached or on the ground. Kinda of like we have cemeteries associated to a particular church or parish and then huge cemeteries supported by the Catholic organizations that have no local presence.

[Emil El Zapato]

In the US parochial means associated with a specific church or parish. Your corner Church with a school attached or on the ground. Kinda of like we have cemeteries associated to a particular church or parish and then huge cemeteries supported by the Catholic organizations that have no local presence.

Thank you...

[Diabolical Boids]

Your welcome. I didn't know that until I began working in literally the most Catholic town in the state.

[Emil El Zapato]

In the US parochial means associated with a specific church or parish. Your corner Church with a school attached or on the ground. Kinda of like we have cemeteries associated to a particular church or parish and then huge cemeteries supported by the Catholic organizations that have no local presence.

Ok, until Aragorn puts a stop to it, I'm going with it...

I don't have 'daddy' issues, I do have an issue though and it has impacted my life in very detrimental ways. I think it was induced by the circumstances of my adoption and my adoptive mother dying when I was about six years old. When I was about 14 my dad started dating my to become stepmother. When I was 16 they married and things went downhill from there. We had a hate/hate relationship but that is a long boring story at this point.

So what is the 'issue'?

Symptoms of fear of abandonment: - A first admission for me, no shrinker even ever hinted at it.


The ones that do NOT apply are 2, 3, 4 = separation does not really bother me, 6. Though I've never been diagnosed, I haven't pursued therapy for it.

1. overly sensitive to criticism.
2. difficulty trusting in others. - I trust that these reveals will not be used against me.
3. difficulty making friends unless you can be sure they like you. - Completely related to the opposite sex.
4. taking extreme measures to avoid rejection or separation. - Not concerned by separation.
5. pattern of unhealthy relationships. - Definitely, mostly related to opposite sex, but there have been times I had conflicts with friends
6. getting attached to people too quickly, then moving on just as quickly. - Neither attach nor separate quickly. My issue is that a I can never let go even when in an unhealthy relationship.

[Aragorn]

Ok, until Aragorn puts a stop to it, I'm going with it...

It would be extremely unfair of me if I were to do so, given that I myself have been going off-topic in this thread on several occasions now.

In addition to that, even though much of what has been spoken about here in these last couple of pages is rather personal and would perhaps better be discussed in the members-only section, I guess we all need to vent about our personal issues and traumas every once in a while, and given that Vern as the thread starter appears to be okay with it — sort of...-ish... I think — I'm going to allow this thread to serve as a venting corner for the time being, unless/until somebody vocalizes an objection against it.

On a personal note, I do have to say that what has been discussed here over the last two pages or so is — in my own opinion — a far more interesting subject matter than the umpteenth pointless discussion about the bought-and-paid-for celebrities and wannabe-celebrities from the US American political establishment. We here on this thread are probably all far more human than they could ever hope to be — after all, their objective is to get elected, not to be human.



See what I did there? I almost got us back onto the topic!

[Diabolical Boids]

Ok, until Aragorn puts a stop to it, I'm going with it...

I don't have 'daddy' issues, I do have an issue though and it has impacted my life in very detrimental ways. I think it was induced by the circumstances of my adoption and my adoptive mother dying when I was about six years old. When I was about 14 my dad started dating my to become stepmother. When I was 16 they married and things went downhill from there. We had a hate/hate relationship but that is a long boring story at this point.

So what is the 'issue'?

Symptoms of fear of abandonment: - A first admission for me, no shrinker even ever hinted at it.


The ones that do NOT apply are 2, 3, 4 = separation does not really bother me, 6. Though I've never been diagnosed, I haven't pursued therapy for it.

1. overly sensitive to criticism.
2. difficulty trusting in others. - I trust that these reveals will not be used against me.
3. difficulty making friends unless you can be sure they like you. - Completely related to the opposite sex.
4. taking extreme measures to avoid rejection or separation. - Not concerned by separation.
5. pattern of unhealthy relationships. - Definitely, mostly related to opposite sex, but there have been times I had conflicts with friends
6. getting attached to people too quickly, then moving on just as quickly. - Neither attach nor separate quickly. My issue is that a I can never let go even when in an unhealthy relationship.

Swell! If you don't have daddy issues, then it doesn't matter that people denied that you had daddy issues, in as much rendering that accusation invalid.

Therefore and Herforth, denial of your daddy issues is now summarily an invalid complaint against others.

Glad that is settled.

[Emil El Zapato]

It would be extremely unfair of me if I were to do so, given that I myself have been going off-topic in this thread on several occasions now.

In addition to that, even though much of what has been spoken about here in these last couple of pages is rather personal and would perhaps better be discussed in the members-only section, I guess we all need to vent about our personal issues and traumas every once in a while, and given that Vern as the thread starter appears to be okay with it — sort of...-ish... I think — I'm going to allow this thread to serve as a venting corner for the time being, unless/until somebody vocalizes an objection against it.

On a personal note, I do have to say that what has been discussed here over the last two pages or so is — in my own opinion — a far more interesting subject matter than the umpteenth pointless discussion about the bought-and-paid-for celebrities and wannabe-celebrities from the US American political establishment. We here on this thread are probably all far more human than they could ever hope to be — after all, their objective is to get elected, not to be human.



See what I did there? I almost got us back onto the topic!

Nice!

Swell! If you don't have daddy issues, then it doesn't matter that people denied that you had daddy issues, in as much rendering that accusation invalid.

Therefore and Herforth, denial of your daddy issues is now summarily an invalid complaint against others.

Glad that is settled.

I be thankin' ya' kindly, ma'am!

[Diabolical Boids]

Ok, until Aragorn puts a stop to it, I'm going with it...

Iand my adoptive mother dying when I was about six years old. When I was about 14 my dad started dating my to become stepmother. When I was 16 they married and things went downhill from there. We had a hate/hate relationship but that is a long boring story at this point.

So what is the 'issue'?

Symptoms of fear of abandonment: - A first admission for me, no shrinker even ever hinted at it.


The ones that do NOT apply are 2, 3, 4 = separation does not really bother me, 6. Though I've never been diagnosed, I haven't pursued therapy for it.

1. overly sensitive to criticism.
2. difficulty trusting in others. - I trust that these reveals will not be used against me.
3. difficulty making friends unless you can be sure they like you. - Completely related to the opposite sex.
4. taking extreme measures to avoid rejection or separation. - Not concerned by separation.
5. pattern of unhealthy relationships. - Definitely, mostly related to opposite sex, but there have been times I had conflicts with friends
6. getting attached to people too quickly, then moving on just as quickly. - Neither attach nor separate quickly. My issue is that a I can never let go even when in an unhealthy relationship.

For the love of God after all these years a therapist is just NOW getting to 'fear of abandonment'.????!!!! You'll be on four more lifetimes out before this is resolved.

You are probably not conscious of the fact you denied daddy issue and then then reverted to mother issue in the same breath. It's a parental issue, it doesn't matter which one.

I don't have 'daddy' issues, I do have an issue though and it has impacted my life in very detrimental ways. I think it was induced by the circumstances of my adoption

You think? Stop thinking. You can't feel or think your way out of this. Do, don't think.

You are acting this out unconsciously before us all and speaking unconsciously before us all, and you aren't aware of it because its unconscious. But I suspect more than a few of us have been down this road so know it for what it is. I know I have. You put it out there and then back away from it.

Why are you so unconscious of it? It's not you are doing it.

Abandonment is rooted in our parents or caregivers, maternal or paternal figures. Then Parental Abandonment causes a waterfall reaction of other issues, and they all cause a deeper more unconscious issue that result in the symptoms you listed.

Maternal mother dying: Abandonment.

Daddy Issues: Proximal Abandonment. Dads is present but no emotional connection. Abusive parent, alcoholic parent, etc and so on.

Now that abandonment is established abandonment is a symptom, the core issue develops under it, is shrouded by it. It's on a cellular level. You cannot think or feel your way out of it.

I see this hundreds of times of years. I experienced it myself.

Stop. Denying. It.


My dear you are annoying AF the way you think you are playing dodgeball but aren't really. You are crying for help and then denying it all at the same time. You are a human and we are all connected so what happens to you happens to all of us. But that means you are not describing yourself you are in part describing all of us so there's no point in putting it out there and then denying it. Denial is the central problem right now.

You can't trust others when you can't trust yourself. You are alienated from yourself.

You make friends easily and then test them, try them and vex them until they 'abandon you' when basically you've driven them off because they've been down that road before....just like you. Because that is what feels normal. So although its hurting you that's the feeling you are addicted to. Just like heroin addicts.

I myself cannot believe the horrible emotions our bodies get addicted to. Drugs I understand, alcohol I understand, food I understand, all of those have some feel good effect but the emotions we get addicted to feel horrible. Yet that is what the body does. Feeling horrible is what feels normal to you. To feel any other way would be weird so you do something to get back to that normal feeling.


It's only annoying AF when people refuse to do anything about it and blame someone like Oh, Fred Steeves, a total stranger, who had nothing to do with your parental abandonment.

The issues that cause the symptoms you listed haven't been cleared so that's why there is a pattern that keeps happening and it won't go away until you stop playing dodgeball and denial.

None of this is our first walk about the park and I literally have a shingle on the door open for people with these SAME--exactly the same--emotional trauma issues especially when they turn into physical disease like cancer or Parkinsons. Which is what happened to me. Happily enough I can nip that shit in the bud, mentally and emotionally reverse what I'm doing to myself with unconscious beliefs but people die needlessly from that shit. They don't have to.

And this will too if you continue to avoid it. Otherwise you will just have an unhappy self-limiting life.

I could give you a simple list of instructions to BEGIN to get out from the burden of this. It's up to you to do it an begin to feel better or stay in denial and be miserable. It's easy to pick miserable because the body is making the choice, but it wouldn't be the psyche or the spirit.

Your body is in control over you, not the other way around. Don't fix it to appease anyone here, fix it to make yourself better.

Now you think I'm being mean. EVERYONE thinks I'm mean except the people whose lives are made better for jumping in and being much more intense than their density. But I have to raise a level of intensity that is way more intense than the emotional intensity and trauma laying in our cellular fields and I can't do that by being 'nice' to what is killing us.

But it's not you who thinks I'm mean. That's your wounded child, your pain body. It hates me. I don't blame it. Mine hated me too. And that was the entire problem. The one you have to get into beyond all this abandonment shite.

I urge you to find someone, not a conventional therapist, that will show you to purge this on an emotional level. You can do it yourself but its like going on a strict strict diet. It's hard but you feel better for it.

[Fred Steeves]

Swell! If you don't have daddy issues, then it doesn't matter that people denied that you had daddy issues, in as much rendering that accusation invalid.

Therefore and Herforth, denial of your daddy issues is now summarily an invalid complaint against others.

Glad that is settled.

Interesting how a Trump thread could wind up being so cathartic, perhaps we see a new theme for a new era developing. Out with the old in with the new.

There are still numerous other issues we can draw together to hash out, not the least of which would be mommy issues, abandonment issues, self confidence issues, sexual issues, abuse issues, authority issues, too many to shake a stick at.

Let's go back to where they came of age, when we were young, beautiful, and restless:

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go7bnQF8n3A

[Diabolical Boids]

Oh hell no, we are just starting the purge. Vomit up all this shit on a cellular level and then go win the lottery. The good lottery not the shit lottery like strokes, heart attacks, and chronic disease and pestilential politicians.

[Fred Steeves]

Oh hell no, we are just starting the purge. Vomit up all this shit on a cellular level...

Well now here's something for consideration: what if it's all bullshit?

Would that make it all a waste of your time, all that more interesting, or just part of the drama for this week's exciting episode?