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    I'm straight too, Aragorn and not on that spectrum, (could be on the schizoid spectrum though). I consider my brain wiring to be closer to gender neutral, if that makes sense. I didn't feel driven to have children and didn't play with dolls as a kid. I preferred puppies, kittens and climbing trees. I have no doubt that if I'd had female children of my own, they would be one of the lgbtq+ crowd. I used to regard my mother, who was very feminine, almost as not being of the same species, our world view and sense of ourselves was completely different.

    So it seems that there are spectrum differences that not only run laterally, gender wise, but also vertically, in terms of generational differences.

    And that relates to the Gaian self correcting population control, you referenced, which should have started to kick in around the 50's and have reached it's ultimate population controlling conclusion in the last decade, or so.

    We're older and not as prone to more modern cultural, environmental potentiating factors. The latest crop of kids (Is it Gen Z?) are different. And, it's likely female autistic teens who are identifying more as trans. Autism, according to Sir Baron-Cohen, is partly the result of a brain wired in a hyper masculine way. So that would make sense, they are girls who are wired more masculine.

    If this is true and that many women remove themselves, by choice, from the reproductive pool, that has far more of an impact that removing males from the pool. Middle class women already put off child birth until they are closing in on the end of their reproductive years.

    Populations are shrinking and we may be undergoing something as radical as speciation at the same time. Yeay! Very sci-fi, if its happening. But life already resembles sci-fi so maybe not such a leap.

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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    When I was still very young — about 9 years old — I too felt that I was in the wrong body; I was human while I actually wanted to be a dolphin. (I'm not kidding. )
    You're not a furry, you're a slippery! I related to cats and wanted to be one but it was pure fantasy!

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    Wind,

    In spiritual evolution androgyny is what comes with evolution although it's not so much about the physical state, it's about balancing the divine masculine and feminine in one's self. Then again we would find that many advanced ET species would in fact have quite androgynous qualities. If you look at the history of Earth, then you can clearly see that the divine masculine has been deeply wounded and been overcome with toxic traits of masculinity which is often referred as the patriarchy where as the divine feminine has been supressed and suffocated. Only weak masculinity has the need for violence and wars. That is the illusion of power, but it's not true power. Every man and woman has both anima and animus in them and when the energies are not balanced in society then chaos ensues. That's because humanity is out of touch with itself and believes in the illusory story of separation which is just a concoction of the mind anyways.
    If more emphasis was placed on this truth, and less on what might be the biological underpinnings, it would be psychologically healthier for the individual. The sacred masculine and sacred feminine has little to do with what has devolved into a side show--all animus and an anima that has been wiped out of modern culture.

    Except maybe in the New Age community, where it is trying to emerge with all the ham handedness you'd expect coming from bliss ninnies. (That's my animus speaking!) I mean, women referring to themselves as goddesses, etc... Blecchh. That's narcissistic. And the sacred masculine though not as apparent has emerged in men who are peaceful, and not because they are cowed by the animus of either gender, or genders.
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    Quote Originally posted by Octopus Garden View Post
    Except maybe in the New Age community, where it is trying to emerge with all the ham handedness you'd expect coming from bliss ninnies. (That's my animus speaking!) I mean, women referring to themselves as goddesses, etc... Blecchh. That's narcissistic. And the sacred masculine though not as apparent has emerged in men who are peaceful, and not because they are cowed by the animus of either gender, or genders.
    The new age circles just like politics attract broken personalities or just in other ways crazy people. Many get broken on this planet so it's not that uncommon and a lot of people seek some kind of answers and perhaps healing, but in my understanding and observation spiritual bypassing is a very real problem. When you add to that mix the pathological and narcissistic personalities, holy shit do you have a toxic cocktail of nuttery. That's why actually shadow work matters and I believe that many of us carry baggage or unresolved issues until they actually are resolved, but some carry way more and never address it.

    Unfortunately the new age or alternative circles are fertile ground for quacks, snake oil salesmen and all kinds of wannabe gurus and fraud hucksters. Yet you can at times find the real deal or gems among the dirt too, but that requires discernement and good skills to find out the genuine article, something that not too many people possess.
    "The more I see, the less I know for sure." ~ John Lennon

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    This Aspie has an Aspie son.

    We are doing well and he treats his mother like gold.

    That part brings me great joy. His mom seems to like it too.
    "To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize" -- Voltaire

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    Quote Originally posted by Octopus Garden View Post
    The polarity of the sexes narrowing seems like a self correcting planetary mechanism to curb population. Autism too, strikes me as an epigenetic tool to prevent populations from growing wildly out of control. I read recently that 1 in 4 individuals with autism, in high school identify as trans, asexual, non-binary etc... The dovetailing effect is pretty evident. All the people with autism that I know are childless. It's a positive, imo.

    The Cristo-fascist evangelical movement that idolizes strong men and submissive women, is the polar opposite, speaking of polarities. And, true to form and the film, 'Idiocracy,' their ideal is to pump out babies one after the other, like sausage links. They want everything all tidy, nailed down, simple.

    They love freedom but its about curbing what they feel is chaos presided over by Jezobels. They want their old consensus reality back. The shared value of wealthy white men at the top and everyone else below.
    for sure...asexual is an interesting concept as well. I wanted to get a t-shirt that said, "Asexuality isn't just for amoebas anymore". Being human is very distasteful to me...I guess that makes me a weirdo.

    On a sidenote, some scientists believe that all that LGBTQ+ does carry evolutionary advantages in the form of 'altruism'. The fact that male sperm production has dropped worldwide would be an example of nature in action, though environmental toxicity could be a factor as well.
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    Quote Originally posted by Octopus Garden View Post
    I'm straight too, Aragorn and not on that spectrum, (could be on the schizoid spectrum though). I consider my brain wiring to be closer to gender neutral, if that makes sense. I didn't feel driven to have children and didn't play with dolls as a kid. I preferred puppies, kittens and climbing trees. I have no doubt that if I'd had female children of my own, they would be one of the lgbtq+ crowd. I used to regard my mother, who was very feminine, almost as not being of the same species, our world view and sense of ourselves was completely different.

    So it seems that there are spectrum differences that not only run laterally, gender wise, but also vertically, in terms of generational differences.

    And that relates to the Gaian self correcting population control, you referenced, which should have started to kick in around the 50's and have reached it's ultimate population controlling conclusion in the last decade, or so.

    We're older and not as prone to more modern cultural, environmental potentiating factors. The latest crop of kids (Is it Gen Z?) are different. And, it's likely female autistic teens who are identifying more as trans. Autism, according to Sir Baron-Cohen, is partly the result of a brain wired in a hyper masculine way. So that would make sense, they are girls who are wired more masculine.

    If this is true and that many women remove themselves, by choice, from the reproductive pool, that has far more of an impact that removing males from the pool. Middle class women already put off child birth until they are closing in on the end of their reproductive years.

    Populations are shrinking and we may be undergoing something as radical as speciation at the same time. Yeay! Very sci-fi, if its happening. But life already resembles sci-fi so maybe not such a leap.
    Impressive post, OG.
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    Quote Originally posted by Wind View Post
    I'm wondering about things like transgenderism and I try to understand it through empathy. I don't have the feeling of being in a wrong body so it's not a feeling I can relate to.

    Perhaps I would just have the feeling of not wanting to be in a body like this, made of gassy, meaty stuff which is prone to all kinds of ailments.
    For not being able to relate to it you gave a good description of it. That's body dysphoria. Often confused for gender dysphoria. Both relate back to inability to accept the body for organic but more often, especially today, artificial reasons. You seemed to have answered your own questions.

    Before puberty my body was like athletic machine. After nature's transition I felt my body to be frailer and less acceptable to my purpose. That might have been totally my child's imagination but it stuck around for quite a while. At any rate it took a long time to forgive my body for betraying in such a fashion. I wonder what would happen in someone besides THE ESTABLISHMENT was able to work troubled children and young adults. Kids would have a better chance if this could be worked out holistically.

    What I see are a whole lot of kids hating their bodies, and the medical profession allowing them to cut and mutilate themselves at will as distorted way to alleviate that hate of the body. Which is nothing new. It's very seldom I run across someone who likes, loves and accepts their body for what it is. And if I do meet someone like that there's always some asshole waiting to tell them they are egotistical.

    In actual transgenderism, puberty intensifies gender dysphoria. In body dysphoria, it usually starts or intensifies with the onset of puberty but is confused with gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria is quite rare, body dysphoria is not. Seems like nearly everyone has it.


    Is it confusion to be wanting to be in a different body or to fix it? Am I confused to think that it's not really right to change what you have been given or what you have chosen in this incarnation?
    It may be a tad unhealthy and a roadblock to one's path in life to obsess so much about the body. It's a balancing act: what is right to change and you can change your body and what we learn to accept. We change the body unconsciously all the time. But should we is the question. If we as adults cannot navigate this issue, children and young adults cannot. One central thread of truth I have found in people who blamed the body for their unhappiness, is that once the body was fixed through diet, surgery, work outs, they felt a little better. But ultimately it didn't make them happy or help them find themselves.

    Toss in the West's ability to destroy psyches with distorting body imagery for profit and the subtle persuasion you have to look a certain way, and you the fixings for a mass epidemic of emotional health problems and unhappiness all centered around the body. Children and young adults are most vulnerable to this because it is important to fit in especially if they come from troubled homes. The people unfortunately fronting the transgender movement also are not real big on deep self-exploration or spirituality. For the most part its became very political and atheistic and profiteering. Removed from spirit. For something that is supposed to make people feel better it's causing a lot of misery.

    But we are the central operator of our body. If it is ailing, it is almost always because of the thoughts we think about it which are seldom flattering. We are taught to dislike our bodies. Some spiritual paths intensify this. It's stuck in our psyche to flagellate the body like left over religious guilt. Since its not culturally appropriate to take a cat o' nine tails to ourselves the mind is better served to punish the body. There's something deeper there. There is a strain of self loathing running through people these days, not just the transgender movement that is like an avalanche.

    But the body is the perfect vessel for navigating a 3d existence. That is why spirit chose it. And if you love your body it will love you back. That ugly snarl of energy around the transgender movement is a perfect expression of people who hate their bodies. Because they think of the body as self, they hate themselves. There's more to it than that. That transgender movement is masking a lot of emotional and mental problems that think are the result of a higher energy moving in upsetting the apple cart. And we have more programming energy rising to defend itself.

    And if we are honest this current explosion of transgenderism hasn't occurred entirely naturally. It's had help and that help has been very destructive.

    I'm not my gender, I'm not my skin colour, I'm not my illnes, I'm not my trauma. I have them or can experience them.
    Nope you are not but your consciousness, your spirit is endowed throughout your body. You are not just in your head either. Very little of our consciousness, who and what we REALLY are on an energetic level, is in our head.

    If we are not our body we are also not our brain.

    It's very easy to rewire the brain for good or bad. Most of what we are on an energetic level is spread throughout the body. The Chakra's are all their own little minds churning away in their respective parts of the body they oversight. So if we are hating on the body...? We are also hating on the self. So while its appropriate to say we are not limited to our body we can't stray into denying or hating the body that the spirit has chosen. But I see that a lot of people are actively doing so.

    It's so deliberate I can't help but think it was planned. Or at least manipulated to someone's advantage. For profit. Or maybe defense. So some think its a spiritual thing, an emergence of the spirit on earth but I'm thinking that spirit isn't going to toss everyone into mass confusion and sorrow that is going to take a century to sort out. I do think there is a spiritual energy rising, that is fracturing the densities of people and making them more than a little crazy. More to do with ignorance than anything else.

    I trust people's intuitions about it more than what the news or science says.

    It's only been in the last 120 years or so that science realized that just because puberty struck and a child has an adult's body doesn't mean the child is actually an adult. There's a transition time. Thats how we ended up with the concept of teenagers. It's not very old. So I'm pretty sure there are not really up to speed on the science of transgenderism either. But like the Covid vaccine they seemed to have all the answers overnight. For profit. So much profit around this.

    All of this has to be discerned on an individual level. The entire purpose of the body was to ensure individuality. To defend against that a medical condition (allegedly) has now become a political lobby?

    It's better to understand what is going on when you look on the individual level. We are here to be individuals not clumps of political mass to serve political purpose that doesn't serve us. But in doing so you will discover truths that anger other people, people with agendas. Some have actual transgenderism but for the majority this their brains being rewired to serve the agendas of others.



    Yet I am that I am. I can choose to be embracing my maleneness and identity, but very little has to do with my physical attributes.
    Good luck. I have never seen a time in history when it is more difficult to be male. One mis step and you are a toxic masculinity.
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    New age= awake and non dual
    Current age = woke and non binaire

    I wonder.......
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    I concluded loonnngggg ago that happiness is a fraud...I stopped looking for it, a looonnngggg time ago and decided to be more tactical and strategic in my approach to living life. Still don't really give much thought to happiness, I give more thought to ease. I love ease/y. It suits me just fine.

    give me a good cold beer and I am as happy as a dawg with two peepees.
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    https://www.npr.org/2023/06/29/11811...court-decision

    Wokeists were dealt a bad blow, as Supreme Court rules students should be considered for admissions based on grades and merit, instead of skin color.

    This shouldn't affect work places that can have as many diversity programs as they want as long as they are not excluding anyone by race. Still that means they are filling a quota which means constant staff shortages. And they have to often have to choose people not fit or qualified for the job which can affect moral, quality control, and profits.

    Previously accepting students by skin color meant, lower average scores, kids that didn't want to be there, or the troubles that come from people who are put in a learning environment they were not prepared for.

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    And more bad news.

    Bad news for the Woke and the Grandfather of Woke, Mr. Biden.

    In addition to halting the influx of unqualified, untested students into the halls of higher education, the public also no longer has to pay their student debt whether they manage to graduate or not. I'm not against more financially accessible education but there should be limits on how much any given student especially if there solely on the merits of their skin color and there should be limits on how much a student can piss diddle away especially if it looks like they are going to drop out anyway . All this unlimited spending just entices colleges and universities to drive up the costs of tuitions anyway making it more inaccessible to everyone.

    And....

    A land mark case in Colorado sets a precedence for future cases reestablishing the right to reserve. People of private business really do not have to make or build or bake anything under threat or cancel culture if it goes against their personal, spiritual or religious beliefs. No more than woke have to abide by any social mores if they don't want to. The woke have been notorious for targeting more moderate or conservative businesses to bake their wedding cakes or build their websites. Instead of simply going to the dozens more openminded businesses they target businesses they absolutely know will object on religious grounds for attention, for lawsuits, for money. Not to have a cake at their wedding or a functional website but to make a point, to punish and because they can. Well the free for all is no longer free.

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    Quote Originally posted by Diabolical Boids View Post
    And more bad news.

    Bad news for the Woke and the Grandfather of Woke, Mr. Biden.

    In addition to halting the influx of unqualified, untested students into the halls of higher education, the public also no longer has to pay their student debt whether they manage to graduate or not. I'm not against more financially accessible education but there should be limits on how much any given student especially if there solely on the merits of their skin color and there should be limits on how much a student can piss diddle away especially if it looks like they are going to drop out anyway . All this unlimited spending just entices colleges and universities to drive up the costs of tuitions anyway making it more inaccessible to everyone.

    And....

    A land mark case in Colorado sets a precedence for future cases reestablishing the right to reserve. People of private business really do not have to make or build or bake anything under threat or cancel culture if it goes against their personal, spiritual or religious beliefs. No more than woke have to abide by any social mores if they don't want to. The woke have been notorious for targeting more moderate or conservative businesses to bake their wedding cakes or build their websites. Instead of simply going to the dozens more openminded businesses they target businesses they absolutely know will object on religious grounds for attention, for lawsuits, for money. Not to have a cake at their wedding or a functional website but to make a point, to punish and because they can. Well the free for all is no longer free.
    I want to see what happens when a Muslim coach tries for the first time to entice his athletes to kneel and pray to Mecca. Separation of church and state? Isn't that somewhere in all those legal documents that the U.S. ignores. Just more 18th and 19th century living to enjoy. Ahh, what a life! Yeah, it's all pretty grand.
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    Quote Originally posted by Chuckie View Post
    I want to see what happens when a Muslim coach tries for the first time to entice his athletes to kneel and pray to Mecca. Separation of church and state? Isn't that somewhere in all those legal documents that the U.S. ignores. Just more 18th and 19th century living to enjoy. Ahh, what a life! Yeah, it's all pretty grand.
    Oh come now, don't be so dramatic. We are just about at the early 2oth century mark with our masks, electric vehicles, batteries, chemotherapy, and vaccines. On the other hand I think that sort of terrain is making us sick.

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