Wokeism

[Diabolical Boids]

Trying to lighten up the dangerous fandangos with ad hominem developing on this thread...



Oh, and when I was between 12 and 14, I wanted to be an android. Or at the very least have some bionic implants like the Six Million Dollar Man.

I presume you had the same sort of mean parents I had that didn't rush you to have your limbs cut off and replaced?

[Aragorn]

Oh, and when I was between 12 and 14, I wanted to be an android. Or at the very least have some bionic implants like the Six Million Dollar Man.

I presume you had the same sort of mean parents I had that didn't rush you to have your limbs cut off and replaced?

Oh yes, that was so mean of them.

[Emil El Zapato]

Trying to lighten up the dangerous fandangos with ad hominem developing on this thread...



Oh, and when I was between 12 and 14, I wanted to be an android. Or at the very least have some bionic implants like the Six Million Dollar Man.

I wanted to be Superman and I did it...yayyyyy!!!!!!

[Aragorn]

Oh, and when I was between 12 and 14, I wanted to be an android. Or at the very least have some bionic implants like the Six Million Dollar Man.

I wanted to be Superman and I did it...yayyyyy!!!!!!

Shuckie?

[Emil El Zapato]

Shuckie?

shuckie'n and jivinie'n ... yup that's me.

[Wind]

When I was still very young — about 9 years old — I too felt that I was in the wrong body; I was human while I actually wanted to be a dolphin. (I'm not kidding. )

It's said that some Dolphin souls are from Sirius B. It appears that dolphins and whales can be as intelligent if not far more intelligent than humans as they're too mammals with large brains. It's quite interesting to think what kind of consciousness might be inhabiting them.

[Emil El Zapato]

It's said that some Dolphin souls are from Sirius B. It appears that dolphins and whales can be as intelligent if not far more intelligent than humans as they're too mammals with large brains. It's quite interesting to think what kind of consciousness might be inhabiting them.

As a dolphin would say: "Goodbye and thanks for all the fish"

[Wind]

I'm wondering about things like transgenderism and I try to understand it through empathy. I don't have the feeling of being in a wrong body so it's not a feeling I can relate to. Perhaps I would just have the feeling of not wanting to be in a body like this, made of gassy, meaty stuff which is prone to all kinds of ailments. I'm not my gender, I'm not my skin colour, I'm not my illnes, I'm not my trauma. I have them or can experience them. Yet I am that I am. I can choose to be embracing my maleneness and identity, but very little has to do with my physical attributes. Some of it I can affect, a lot of it I can't. I can't choose the beings I am attracted to romantically or sexually, they are subconscious biases or preferences hard-wired into my brain, or soul if you will. I happen to find females attractive, but not any females. Those that I find attractive and as the saying goes, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I can like someone, but it doesn't mean anything else than that. I can also dislike someone and what they represent, but it doesn't mean that I would hate them. I have no reason to hate anyone and I'm not even sure if I would be capable of that. Anger doesn't imply hate either. Anger can be a healthy response to wrongful behaviour. Not approving something, that can be right.

If I look at people, all I see is people and consciousness behind them. Different shapes and colours sure, some behaving nice and others being jackasses, while still all being part of the Creation which here on Earth seems so incredibly imperfect, which seems to be the point. To feel limited and lacking, because the Creator would be the opposite of that. Not lacking in anything, especially in love as that would be the primordial source of all that is.

Is it confusion to be wanting to be in a different body or to fix it? Am I confused to think that it's not really right to change what you have been given or what you have chosen in this incarnation? I don't know for sure. I think there's just a lot to that that has been done too hastily although perhaps some people will get better if they modify themselves in the way they see fit. Yet it won't change who or what they are as souls. That can't be transformed. Changing the physical, will that bring peace to the soul? Is someone like Elliot Page truly happy now? Perhaps I find it weird, because I found her as Ellen Page to be cute and attractive, but is my male bias affecting my perception? I am just trying to understand this objectively too like most things. I find it harder to understand why children should go through intense transformations, even before they have gone through puberty. Then again, I don't have kids nor do I plan to have any.

[Octopus Garden]

It could all be as simple as biological polarity of the sexes is narrowing, mainly from the neck up. The male brain is becoming more feminine and vice versa. Sometimes there is a complete cross over and the physical brain of a man becomes structurally more like a woman's, and vice versa. It's an evolutionary change with immense cultural significance, imo, because we are using outdated ideas about homosexuality applied to actual gender confusion and the trans community. It's politicized by the mainstream and the reaction from the radical trans community politicizes it further. Jordan Peterson has rage farmed a fortune out of it.

https://stanmed.stanford.edu/how-men...are-different/

[Catsquotl]

Is it confusion to be wanting to be in a different body or to fix it? Am I confused to think that it's not really right to change what you have been given or what you have chosen in this incarnation?

I think everybody is allowed their opinion.
However we should respect whatever somebody else thinks or feels correct?

Once we start enforcing what we feel is natural on to others, we get situations where we forbid people to have abortions based on our beliefs.
Since when do we measure people like Elliot Page on their ability to be happy?
Manny people who stick with what they been given are deeply unhappy. Elliot has made a choice He felt was the right one at the time and is living with the consequences.

Should we go back to banning birth control? I think we'll find that many girls are becoming mothers quite young. Which we could with little to no imaginably stretch label as natural?

Many people do not belief in reincarnation, god or a plan. They just go about their day to day and to the best of their ability try to make somewhat of a nice life for themselves.
Failing with grace and dignity.

Ah well

[Emil El Zapato]

It could all be as simple as biological polarity of the sexes is narrowing, mainly from the neck up. The male brain is becoming more feminine and vice versa. Sometimes there is a complete cross over and the physical brain of a man becomes structurally more like a woman's, and vice versa. It's an evolutionary change with immense cultural significance, imo, because we are using outdated ideas about homosexuality applied to actual gender confusion and the trans community. It's politicized by the mainstream and the reaction from the radical trans community politicizes it further. Jordan Peterson has rage farmed a fortune out of it.

https://stanmed.stanford.edu/how-men...are-different/

That's an interesting comment...I've long thought that sexual evolution is in flux and it made sense to me the why of it. But, a narrowing of sexual polarities is one perspective that i've never considered. I have read that prevailing 'behaviors' could result in a species-level divergence of the sexes resulting in two entirely non-reproducing species but your idea would result in just the opposite. At some dividing level, nature prefers gonochoric (yes, I looked it up) not hermaphroditic (or as my hick friends use to say, "morphodite") reproduction. But, now I'll have to read the article you referenced and perhaps more.

[Aragorn]

That's an interesting comment...I've long thought that sexual evolution is in flux and it made sense to me the why of it. But, a narrowing of sexual polarities is one perspective that i've never considered. I have read that prevailing 'behaviors' could result in a species-level divergence of the sexes resulting in two entirely non-reproducing species but your idea would result in just the opposite. At some dividing level, nature prefers gonochoric (yes, I looked it up) not hermaphroditic (or as my hick friends use to say, "morphodite") reproduction. But, now I'll have to read the article you referenced and perhaps more.

Maybe it's just Earth's way of slowing down the inclination towards overpopulation?

With nearly 8 billion people on this planet, it's as good a theory as any other, and it would be consistent with the principle of parthenogenesis among non-mammalian species — DNA research on fossils has shown that parthenogenesis was quite common among the dinosaurs, possibly because of a high potential for an early death among newborns. All of it — at least, if there's any validity to this hypothesis — as nature's way of keeping the population under control by preventing extinction in one case and preventing overpopulation in the other.



Personally, I'm inclined to think that all those people who feel that they're in the wrong body would be souls that used to incarnate as the other gender, but who for some reason felt that they wanted to give it a go in a body of the wrong-for-them gender, and who then, once on this Earth in this "wrong" body, come to regret their choice, and thus want to go back to how they used to be before this incarnation.

I have no explanation on account of why there are bisexual and/or non-binary people, but what I can say from the scientific vantage is that genuine androgyny among humans (and other mammals) does not exist, and that all occurrences of hermaphroditism among humans and other mammals so far have always come down to genetic defects during conception.

Besides, most intersexual human beings aren't even bisexual — they generally have a preference for one gender only, albeit that they may then not necessarily identify with the gender opposite to the one they're attracted to.

Several years ago, I stumbled upon a documentary on TV about intersexual people, and there was definitely an individual there who identified as male — they were a bodybuilder, even — but who lived together with another intersexual person who also identified and appeared as male, and the bodybuilder's body language and manner of speaking was consistent with those of a gay man. Another intersexual person in that documentary appeared completely female and also identified as a female — they had been raised as a girl — but stated that they were sexually attracted to women only.

Nevertheless, as I said, none of these people were capable of natural reproduction, and therefore, androgyny is not an authentic mammalian gender morphology. And even though it has often been said that the females of the spotted hyena have a penis, this is not true. Their quasi-penis is in fact an enlarged clitoris, as well as that it makes up the birth canal. Orientation-wise, they — the females of the spotted hyena at least — appear to be bisexual. They will during their puberty attempt to copulate with other females in the same manner as that a male would. Spotted hyenas also live in matriarchal groups, which is also uncommon among mammals.

[Wind]

It could all be as simple as biological polarity of the sexes is narrowing, mainly from the neck up. The male brain is becoming more feminine and vice versa. Sometimes there is a complete cross over and the physical brain of a man becomes structurally more like a woman's, and vice versa. It's an evolutionary change with immense cultural significance, imo, because we are using outdated ideas about homosexuality applied to actual gender confusion and the trans community. It's politicized by the mainstream and the reaction from the radical trans community politicizes it further. Jordan Peterson has rage farmed a fortune out of it.

In spiritual evolution androgyny is what comes with evolution although it's not so much about the physical state, it's about balancing the divine masculine and feminine in one's self. Then again we would find that many advanced ET species would in fact have quite androgynous qualities. If you look at the history of Earth, then you can clearly see that the divine masculine has been deeply wounded and been overcome with toxic traits of masculinity which is often referred as the patriarchy where as the divine feminine has been supressed and suffocated. Only weak masculinity has the need for violence and wars. That is the illusion of power, but it's not true power. Every man and woman has both anima and animus in them and when the energies are not balanced in society then chaos ensues. That's because humanity is out of touch with itself and believes in the illusory story of separation which is just a concoction of the mind anyways.

I think everybody is allowed their opinion.
However we should respect whatever somebody else thinks or feels correct?

Once we start enforcing what we feel is natural on to others, we get situations where we forbid people to have abortions based on our beliefs.

At least personally I have no need to tell or enforce people what they should do as long as they don't cause harm to others. They can turn themselves into chipmunks for all I care if it truly makes them happy. I'm only asking questions and trying to understand. That's because I want to understand what is going on with the human mind, what is confusion and what is evolution or devolution. I'm even in favor of euthanasia, albeit not with young people who have healthy bodies. To me certain extreme transformations seem like something I would never do, but then again I'm not saying that's not something someone else shouldn't do. Eventually there will come a time when people want to become more like android beings, or at least partly robotic beings. Then we will truly have to think about many ethical questions too. It's not something I would go for though.

Many people do not belief in reincarnation, god or a plan. They just go about their day to day and to the best of their ability try to make somewhat of a nice life for themselves.
Failing with grace and dignity.

There's nothing wrong with that. My brother only believes in the western secular materialist science and medicine, with hard data which is proof to him. God doesn't fit into his equations about life and who am I to tell him what he should believe, it's his life. He seems to be happy with his family, daughters and son. My parents don't believe in reincarnation either, only in the Christian version of God and Jesus. I'm the odd one in family, but at least my parents do accept me for who I am even if we don't agree about all spiritual matters. I try to accept people with their beliefs too and meet where they are although some beliefs seem very crazy to me.

[Octopus Garden]

The polarity of the sexes narrowing seems like a self correcting planetary mechanism to curb population. Autism too, strikes me as an epigenetic tool to prevent populations from growing wildly out of control. I read recently that 1 in 4 individuals with autism, in high school identify as trans, asexual, non-binary etc... The dovetailing effect is pretty evident. All the people with autism that I know are childless. It's a positive, imo.

The Cristo-fascist evangelical movement that idolizes strong men and submissive women, is the polar opposite, speaking of polarities. And, true to form and the film, 'Idiocracy,' their ideal is to pump out babies one after the other, like sausage links. They want everything all tidy, nailed down, simple.

They love freedom but its about curbing what they feel is chaos presided over by Jezobels. They want their old consensus reality back. The shared value of wealthy white men at the top and everyone else below.

[Aragorn]

The polarity of the sexes narrowing seems like a self correcting planetary mechanism to curb population. Autism too, strikes me as an epigenetic tool to prevent populations from growing wildly out of control. I read recently that 1 in 4 individuals with autism, in high school identify as trans, asexual, non-binary etc... The dovetailing effect is pretty evident.

That has to be a coincidence.

All the people with autism that I know are childless. It's a positive, imo.

That certainly doesn't apply to all autistic people I know, and there even are quite a few auties on this very forum — I'm not going to be naming any names — who are straight and who do have children.

I'm straight too, but I don't have any children (that I know of), and it's highly unlikely that I ever will. I don't even have a wife/girlfriend, and I've actually been single for most of my life. Once upon a time, I too would have wanted to have children — and I have been a surrogate father — but somewhere along the line I changed my mind about that, for various reasons, one of which could be considered "selfish".