Wokeism

[Diabolical Boids]

On the surface of it, that is a ridiculous statement.

It's a ridiculous thing to do is treat a child like a they are a threatening political opponent and says more about you than the child.

[Catsquotl]

My advice. You are the parent.
What does that mean to you?
I only had to know what it meant to me. Her orientation had absolutely nothing to do with me. But being the parent was had everything to do with her.

You know I don't feel weird anymore when expressing my views on spiritual matters.
When it comes to parenting though, I seem to be the odd one out.

That's ok.

[Emil El Zapato]

It's a ridiculous thing to do is treat a child like a they are a threatening political opponent and says more about you than the child.

What the post suggests is that my ability to draw conclusions is much more refined than yours. Sorry to have to point that out.

You know I don't feel weird anymore when expressing my views on spiritual matters.
When it comes to parenting though, I seem to be the odd one out.

That's ok.

It is easy to post about things concerning parenting when one feels removed from them. It sounds as if your situation is here and now and that is much much more difficult. I haven't shared everything by any stretch. I seriously doubt you are the odd man out.

[Diabolical Boids]

You know I don't feel weird anymore when expressing my views on spiritual matters.
When it comes to parenting though, I seem to be the odd one out.

That's ok.

You don't have to express your views on parenting. . It doesn't even matter that you are not a conventional parenting parent. But in terms of dealing with transgenderism it is important to know that we've been through this before as a society. Take a child of the 80s with their neon rainbow clothes and a constant drink or substance in their hands. Replace the substance with transgenderism. Everything else remains the same.

It's the parent's responsibility to determine if the child is dealing with an actual organic exceptionality or an a psychology based addiction. No different than a parent determining if a child has anorexia or a glandular issue.

How does an addiction start is a good place to start. The 'signs' of being transgender are way different than the signs of being an addict. Or someone addicted to the idea of being in the wrong body rather than actually being in the wrong body.

[Catsquotl]

It's the parent's responsibility to determine if the child is dealing with an actual organic exceptionality or an a psychology based addiction. No different than a parent determining if a child has anorexia or a glandular issue.

Don't we have doctors and psychologists to determine these things?
Having more than a working knowledge of medicine, psychology and the DSM is a lot to ask of most parents.

That said I did re-start smoking once after having quit for over 8 months to investigate the nature of addiction.
Fun times..

Anyhow, Kahlil Gibran's On Children comes to mind.

You may give them your love but not your thoughts,
For they have their own thoughts.
You may house their bodies but not their souls,
For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow, which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.

[Diabolical Boids]

Don't we have doctors and psychologists to determine these things?

I get what you mean . It's easy for me to say but I have a medical and psyche background and I trust my judgement and education. Parents are different now then when I was raised when parents or at least mothers were expected to know how to treat with traditional medicine and a doctor was last resort.

But I've had to protect my kids from doctors and particularly psychologists from fads and trendy things popping up in the environment. You would hope they were there to help and maybe it's different where you are at, but here Big Pharma is taking advantage of making huge revenues off of gender confused children and non-medically informed parents so it's not in their interest to help kids, but profit from them and then calling it compassionate care.

Same with surgeons and doctors. They are laughing to the bank actually.

Even earnest Doctors are not as informed as they were when I was younger. They are highly specialized and actually medically stupid when they are outside their area of expertise, so they have zero idea about mind body spirit connection. Some do but not enough. In many cases I'm more informed than a particular doctor.

Example: The surgery required to make a good transition is super delicate fine work, you are dealing with tiny blood vessels, tiny nerves, its microsurgery. Girls transitioning to boys should not have those sorts of scars on their chests. If you are going to let your child take this route I urge people to take them to oncology repair doctors who expert reconstructive surgery on cancer patients for their top work. Otherwise....Takes years of surgical internship and understudy with surgeons skilled in trans sexual surgery in exclusive highly specialized clinics and they are few to begin with.

Now we have 'body' shops with ordinary plastic surgeons who are trained to lift skin not re attach nerve endings or blood vessels. And the effect is horrible and traumatizing. It's not just cosmetic surgery, its organs, nerves, blood vessels, psychology, environment, and careful chemical administration. Not just hormone pushing. Hormones are dangerous if they are not balanced. These slash doctors don't mention progesterone or dhea or the building blocks of hormones.

Or that a biological man's new boobs will hurt all the time because of improper estrogen levels and nothing to balance them. Or that a woman taking testerone will have pain all over due to lack of estrogen. They are torturing kids with carelessness and disinformation. They give them more drugs. Or that these artificial hormones are unsafe and can cause cancers rather quickly.

Here they are leading kids down the primrose path of 'help' and regular plastic surgeons, that gave grandma her perpetually startled look are working on these kids. They are transitioned alright but not to anything that looks human or humane, not anything like what Dr Andersen did with people which is make a male look female and vice versa, not human chop suey. That isn't helping kids to who already have a problem with their body to leave them looking mutilated, raw and thrown together and their new body parts don't function to top it all off because there uretharas were fashioned by plastic surgeons instead of urology surgeons.

Now they have life time patients. Not just for hormones but for urology problems, bowel problems, skeltomuscular problems hormonally related diseases. Men getting cancers that usually only women get because of estrogen abuse? It's crazy. That's not health. Or life affirming.

A few doctors are brave enough to speak out against the cash cow cultivators, doctors like Dr. Andersen. She was once a man, and transgender herself. She is the leading pioneer on adolescent origin transgender psychology and people (exploiters) hate her now because she gave the same sort of precaution I'm giving now. I'm taking her advice basically and giving it to you.

It can be a real organic issue, or it can be an environmentally based addiction. If it is the latter, and the child ends making a life altering decision without some sort of intervention based on something in the environment, basically they end up feeling they ruined their lives and future when the environment changes or they put a little maturity on.

That said I did re-start smoking once after having quit for over 8 months to investigate the nature of addiction.
Fun times..

What did you come up with?

I struggled with smoking for years. Once I understood the nature of my addiction was in my past environment and took my past 'environment' out of me so to speak I didn't have a problem with it. Not that I don't think about it but if I'm thinking about it , I know something from my past environment wants looking at again.

I am addicted to a fake cigarette though.

[Aragorn]

I have a child who feels he was born in the wrong body.

When I was still very young — about 9 years old — I too felt that I was in the wrong body; I was human while I actually wanted to be a dolphin. (I'm not kidding. )

[Catsquotl]

It does actually matter. Did they arrive at the conclusion they were in the wrong body the traditional way where something has been mentioned starting in early childhood, around ages 3-5 or did it come out of the blue, in adolescent right before puberty, during or 4-5 years afterwards?

Like I said before I don't think it matters.
I think I get where you are coming from. Fact remains that for now we will have to deal with whatever it is that presents itself now.
The perceived origin of cause of it may help inform todays decisions, but aren't the soul pilar on which we will have to make our choices.. In fact I'd say they are the least important ones.

I get what you mean .

A few doctors are brave enough to speak out against the cash cow cultivators, doctors like Dr. Andersen. She was once a man, and transgender herself. She is the leading pioneer on adolescent origin transgender psychology and people (exploiters) hate her now because she gave the same sort of precaution I'm giving now. I'm taking her advice basically and giving it to you.

I really don't think you get what I mean, But that's ok.

I posted here with a renewed understanding of where the woke community comes from. And even though I see where much of what they say is force fed by some imaginable powers that want to be, I also see where their arguments have merit and where their social warrior needs to express comes from.
Like I said in my original post. It takes the dichotomy that is prevalent to America to feed the causes that make social warriors and the woke community be able to thrive.

In my understanding of that flash of insight I utilized some of my experiences in what Fred so eloquently called "where the rubber meets the road".
When asked I clarified where that was in my case.
It wasn't an invitation to scrutinize and talk about these rather personal smears of rubber so to speak.

As a result this discussion is going to a place where I am uncomfortable to discuss the deeper ramifications of that on a public forum.

With Love

[Catsquotl]

What did you come up with?

I struggled with smoking for years. Once I understood the nature of my addiction was in my past environment and took my past 'environment' out of me so to speak I didn't have a problem with it. Not that I don't think about it but if I'm thinking about it , I know something from my past environment wants looking at again.

I am addicted to a fake cigarette though.

That I am very prone to addictive behavior.
That most of what I think I'd like to do and investigate is detrimental to my health.
That fake is worse than the real thing. And that the only way to quit is to never start again..
Past environments aren't really real here now..

I am nicotine free for 412 days now.
Took me roughly 26 years after bravely investigating the structures of addiction to get there..

[Diabolical Boids]

That I am very prone to addictive behavior.
That most of what I think I'd like to do and investigate is detrimental to my health.
That fake is worse than the real thing. And that the only way to quit is to never start again..
Past environments aren't really real here now..

I am nicotine free for 412 days now.
Took me roughly 26 years after bravely investigating the structures of addiction to get there..

Past environments affect and linger at the cellular level. They operate at the autonomous nervous level and the only way we know they are there is that past events keep happening in the present. Like stopping and then starting smoking as people often do. Or having the same pattern of money or relationship patterns. It's easier to quit when you clear that energy at the cellular level.

All addictions are attempting to recreate how you felt the first time you smoked a cigarette, or had a drink, and what was going on the first time that prompted you to do so.

In hindsight I noticed that about high school. Everyone smoked or drank. Kids from well-balanced loving families didn't smoke or drink with the desperation of the kids from abusive or neglectful parents. For the former it was recreational and could be picked up and left off. For latter it was a crutch, and a coping mechanism they had to have to feel functional. For people with alcohol addiction they are able to resume drinking after a period of abstinence in a social way after their trauma is cleared.

[Catsquotl]

I am unsure if you are aware you come across as arrogant and a know it all.

It could just be my interpretation, But the way you share your stories come across as the truth instead of your truth.
To my knowledge you know very little if anything at all about the way I view the world. The medical and or alternative medicinal background I may or may not have and the choices I made and why.

In the above example for instance you generalize your experience with addiction as being true for all addictions.
I can assure you that my nicotine addiction had nothing to do with wanting to recreate the first coughing and nauseating experience of my first fully inhaled cigarette.

Although I have a fairly extensive knowledge base when it comes to traditional and alternative medicine both physical and psychological from a professional and intrinsically motivated interest. I would never presume to fill the heads of my children with what I know without their questions or consent. Something about them having their own thoughts and living in the dwelling of a tomorrow I can't even begin to understand. I am quite happy to be the strange spiri wiri / woowoo interested slightly embarrassing Dad until they do come with their questions.

And as strange as it sounds some of my kids, are what they are without the need to gain whatever everybody else is gaining out of some perceived benefit.

Well had to get that off my chest..

Carry on.

[Diabolical Boids]

I am unsure if you are aware you come across as arrogant and a know it all.

It could just be my interpretation, But the way you share your stories come across as the truth instead of your truth.
To my knowledge you know very little if anything at all about the way I view the world. The medical and or alternative medicinal background I may or may not have and the choices I made and why.

In the above example for instance you generalize your experience with addiction as being true for all addictions.
I can assure you that my nicotine addiction had nothing to do with wanting to recreate the first coughing and nauseating experience of my first fully inhaled cigarette.

Although I have a fairly extensive knowledge base when it comes to traditional and alternative medicine both physical and psychological from a professional and intrinsically motivated interest. I would never presume to fill the heads of my children with what I know without their questions or consent. Something about them having their own thoughts and living in the dwelling of a tomorrow I can't even begin to understand. I am quite happy to be the strange spiri wiri / woowoo interested slightly embarrassing Dad until they do come with their questions.

And as strange as it sounds some of my kids, are what they are without the need to gain whatever everybody else is gaining out of some perceived benefit.

Well had to get that off my chest..

Carry on.

I am aware that people's pain bodies get triggered. I seem to share a truth with the people who are featured on videos that are posted here with a fair amount of frequency like Gabor Mate. Is he arrogant and full of his own truth? It's the work that is threatening to the addiciton to the pain body, but you can't attack the work so the messenger suffices.

One actually has to humble themselves to something greater than themselves to do the work. Your pain body is not greater than me or you, so there no reason for me to humble myself to what destroys people. So yes I'm sure everyone's painbody thinks I'm arrogant but one notes the pain body hasn't been humbled by any work either.

[Catsquotl]

So yes I'm sure everyone's painbody thinks I'm arrogant but one notes the pain body hasn't been humbled by any work either.

How convenient.
Thanks for being honest..

I'll let my pain body know what to ignore...

[Diabolical Boids]

How convenient.
Thanks for being honest..

I'll let my pain body know what to ignore...

That's a start.

[Aragorn]

Trying to lighten up the dangerous fandangos with ad hominem developing on this thread...

When I was still very young — about 9 years old — I too felt that I was in the wrong body; I was human while I actually wanted to be a dolphin. (I'm not kidding. )

Oh, and when I was between 12 and 14, I wanted to be an android. Or at the very least have some bionic implants like the Six Million Dollar Man.