Thrive II: This is What it Takes

[Emil El Zapato]

Honestly politics really suck...my only interest is that people be treated equally. That's it for me. I'm easy to please. Despite what many voices claim it is easy to see when that happens and when it doesn't.

[Emil El Zapato]

And that's exactly why all efforts to create a truly socialist society have always failed. The rules — and temptations — of capitalism have always remained in the picture. And thus, it has always been armchair socialism rather than true socialism. "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others", you know?



No, they don't. If they truly thought Biden was a socialist, then instead of voting him into the White House, they would have put him on a slow boat to China, just as they did with Bernie Sanders.

What the Democrats do think about Biden is that he's "left-wing", or at least, along the US American definition of left-wing, and thus "a liberal". But over here in Ewwrope, liberalism is not considered a left-wing philosophy, even though most Uro-Peeing liberals are onboard with the Wokemons™.



Yes, the US Democrats are all about Big Government™, and that is generally one of the reasons the average US American has the wrong idea about socialism — as did all the armchair socialists of yore for that matter, which is one of the three main reasons why socialist regimes have so far always failed to live up to their promises. The two other reasons are — as I've already mentioned, and as you yourself have also highlighted — (1) that socialist regimes have internally always retained capitalism in some form or another, and (2) that no nation on this planet can ever be 100% self-sufficient, and that as such, socialist regimes have so far always had to exist as enclaves within a global capitalist and even corporatist system.

But socialism does not require any government, because the exact model of governing any given society doesn't have anything to do with socialism. A socialist society could be anarchist, a parliamentary democracy, or technically even a dictatorship, albeit that in the latter case, the very existence of the dictator — whether it's an individual or a political party — is in direct opposition to the socialist ideal of egalitarianism.



That's what it is, yes. And it is because of this that the right-wing began believing that it was all a conspiracy in the first place.



The New Age community is just another bunch of airheads, with lots of woo-woo, walking with conviction into the wrong direction. We're trapped between the Wokemons™ on the one hand and the Project MAGAloonies™ on the other hand.

What is wrong with big government, everybody loves it, but only Democrats admits it. In a world with over 8 billion individual souls we desperately need big government to stop corporate theft, poverty intrinsic to those not favored by society (e.g. physically or mentally handicapped individuals, the dispirited (me), to stop free exploitation, a.k.a. free enterprise, to take steps to overcome climate change deniers, to discontinue the abuse of those that are different, and yes, to stop crime. Government has more than the primary responsibility to protect its citizens (a.k.a. going to war) as the right would have it. They also have a primary responsibility to not let with impunity innocents be ground into the dirt they live on. Government responsibility is HUGE and the only social contract they need adhere to faithfully is to help citizens live a more fulfilling life. And this is the unseen mandate that the liberal abides by. I just saw a CEO say parents aren't being fair to their employers because they want better conditions like the chance to work from home. Single mothers should be able to give an employer a full day's work. I give you the conservative! I'm no fan of 'single mothers' but I would never begrudge what latitude they can squeeze out of the often self-imposed circumstance. I give you the liberal! MAGAs are insane, Wokemons are trying to improve society. And as the old saying goes, "It's all over but the shoutin'!" The Wokemons will win this war only because society will eventually rise to their level but in a new and improved fashion that eases the pain of being human. It is the nature of nature. Those that don't understand that this is a fundamental aspect of life will have to be drug kicking and screaming across the line of the future.

[Diabolical Boids]

What is wrong with big government, everybody loves it, but only Democrats admits it. In a world with over 8 billion individual souls we desperately need big government to stop corporate theft, poverty intrinsic to those not favored by society (e.g. physically or mentally handicapped individuals, the dispirited (me), to stop free exploitation, a.k.a. free enterprise, to take steps to overcome climate change deniers, to discontinue the abuse of those that are different, and yes, to stop crime. Government has more than the primary responsibility to protect its citizens (a.k.a. going to war) as the right would have it. They also have a primary responsibility to not let with impunity innocents be ground into the dirt they live on. Government responsibility is HUGE and the only social contract they need adhere to faithfully is to help citizens live a more fulfilling life. And this is the unseen mandate that the liberal abides by. I just saw a CEO say parents aren't being fair to their employers because they want better conditions like the chance to work from home. Single mothers should be able to give an employer a full day's work. I give you the conservative! I'm no fan of 'single mothers' but I would never begrudge what latitude they can squeeze out of the often self-imposed circumstance. I give you the liberal! MAGAs are insane, Wokemons are trying to improve society. And as the old saying goes, "It's all over but the shoutin'!" The Wokemons will win this war only because society will eventually rise to their level but in a new and improved fashion that eases the pain of being human. It is the nature of nature. Those that don't understand that this is a fundamental aspect of life will have to be drug kicking and screaming across the line of the future.

Criminy can't they find something better to love? Like themselves. The government doesn't love them. It isn't concerned with our health, or our spirituality. And their solutions are so...yecch. Mediocre. The same ground trod over to no good effect for how long?

I find this obsession with the government taking care of them a kind of self-loathing, a detachment from self. There's so much self loathing in the world and particularly in politics. And literally its making people sick. Me included.

I just got to say this, put this out there since these Thrive type discussions and their involvement with the UF always end up derailed by politics and other hate artifacts.

Last month I just got a really bad DX, a state 3 nearly stage 4 boo boo.

Some people may call it the C word; I called it me internalizing self-loathing and not necessarily my own. It's like a constant diet of hate out there and unless you crawl under a rock you are just bombarded with it. I don't believe in cancer but i know hate exists and the two are entwined. Show me a genetic cancer and I will show you an emotion that has caused the body so much stress its chemically altering DNA. In all of us. And we are doing it to ourselves. I blame politics for us dumping so much hate out there and pretending one party or person is better than the other to excuse our addiction to hate and self loathing.

I do admit to it being very scary because I do believe in emotional toxicity and what dumping so much hate into the field does to us sensitive creatures. I can manage my own emotions but I cannot manage the emotions that everyone is constantly dumping into the environment. I can't change them so I have to change me. I can't pry the poison way but I can refuse to absorb it and replace it with healthier stuff.

Using that UF theory which these Thrive type movies really need to be centered on, I'm a month out from that DX. In that time the DX has been rolled back in spite of all the confirming tests, the scans, the MRIs, the biopsies. As of this am, the post op biopsy was a Stage 1 even though the symptoms and size the day of my surgery last week in no way resembled Stage 1.

As of today I am still a day shy of that initial DX and I'm boo boo free.

After a month.

In one month, from nearly stage 4 to dis-ease free.

This UF stuff does not eff around. I had to stop effing around.

We need to stop effing around. All of us.

Stop effing around

[Wind]

Honestly politics really suck...my only interest is that people be treated equally. That's it for me.

That's what I'm all about too. How hard can it really be?

[Diabolical Boids]

That's what I'm all about too. How hard can it really be?

It's super hard when people don't understand equality or what equality is. It's not an entitlement, but it's treated as such, its not something the government can give you but it's treated as such. In part it comes from within. Even people who bend over backwards to prove they are not racists end up being racist or reverse racist because they can't get a grasp on what equality is. It's not deferential treatment of this group of people or that group.

How does it occur naturally? What does equality look like in nature? .

What makes you and I equal? Or me and Chuckie? Or you or anyone?

How much of it is choice?

Do you have the same talents, and abilities, IQ, emotional intelligence, same stature, muscle strength, build, agility, balance, shoe size, pant size, hair color as I do?

I am sure we don't, so what exactly makes us equal?

[Wind]

so what exactly makes us equal?

Our essence. When we meet death we will all be equal in it's eyes. The same applies to God, we are all equal children of God.

It's true that in life most of us people are never truly equal for various reasons, but as a society we should aim towards a certain kind of justice and I don't like to use the word social justice as I'm not some social justice warrior. I think treating people right matters, but it gets tricky when people start to think about governments and how much they should give or intervene in our lives. Should there be starvation? No. Should there homelesness? No. Should there be free healthcare? Yes or at least on the very minimum medical bills shouldn't bankrupt a person. Those are like the very basics of survival and equality. Why do we pay taxes for the government? So that the government can fund projects and give us back too. Taxes are being used for all kinds of nonsense, such as the immmense defence budget of USA.


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgzQuE1pR1w

[Diabolical Boids]

Our essence. When we meet death we will all be equal in it's eyes. The same applies to God, we are all equal children of God.

It's true that in life most of us people are never truly equal for various reasons, but as a society we should aim towards a certain kind of justice and I don't like to use the word social justice as I'm not some social justice warrior. I think treating people right matters, but it gets tricky when people start to think about governments and how much they should give or intervene in our lives. Should there be starvation? No. Should there homelesness? No. Should there be free healthcare? Yes or at least on the very minimum medical bills shouldn't bankrupt a person. Those are like the very basics of survival and equality. Why do we pay taxes for the government? So that the government can fund projects and give us back too. Taxes are being used for all kinds of nonsense, such as the immmense defence budget of USA.


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgzQuE1pR1w

Yes well death is the great equalizer which rather implies we were not equal prior to death. You bring up many good points but we are also vesting high ideals and good ideas that serve humanity to a body of people who serve themselves. There are not equal to task. How do we make them equal to the task? We can't. But we keep handing them the responsibility over and over. So we aren't equal to the task. Or are we. We are equal to the task we are just going about it the wrong way.

Justice yes, Justice to ourselves, doing justice to our selves. We don't do that. We are always chasing some vague put upon group and seeking justice for them because even though they have the same opportunities and protections as the rest of us, there's some thing they feel they are deprived of.

Equality is relative to rights. Like rights you have to respect your own equality. That is why I see people of color overcome seemingly impossible odds and they will tell you they never stopped believing in their own equality or their own right to hold their position in the world and none of it had nothing to do with the government or laws or social justice.

The inception of the US summed up what made us equal. Rights. Three specific rights. The right to life (from this came our bill of rights) liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. None of these were guaranteed. You could chase happiness your whole life and never find it but you were free to do so. We cannot have equality without freedom. Like rights equality came with responsibilities. Or you could just throw in the towel and blame someone else because you weren't equal. I don't see anyone giving the bare minimum of respect ot life these days and I don't mean babies and abortions but respecting each other's right to life, other people's freedoms and other people's pursuits of happiness.

The US has more laws about equality than any on the planet. What you can't make people do is enforce their equality. The gov offers protection for rights, it has laws to protect your equality but if you don't have it inside none of those laws or protections matter. And that is what happens most. Let's say a woman isn't being paid as much as a man. Under law she has certain protections and rights to allow her to be paid the same as a man for the same job. Yet instead she gives up, and becomes a poster child for inequality without taking any avenue to enforce and ensure she is paid equally. She complains a lot and plays victim which makes her even more unequal.

We have become a nation addicted to the feelings that come with learned helplessness and becoming a victim. Realizing how much people are addicted to these emotions like anyone else is addicted to pills, or booze, is probably the most life defining moment of my life. We are a nation of addicts. And we act like it. , But realizing that explained so much of the bat shit crazy behaviors I've seen in politics and the woke social justice warriors. They are producing chemicals and they are getting addicted to that which they produce.

[Aragorn]

What is wrong with big government, everybody loves it, but only Democrats admits it. In a world with over 8 billion individual souls we desperately need big government to stop corporate theft, poverty intrinsic to those not favored by society (e.g. physically or mentally handicapped individuals, the dispirited (me), to stop free exploitation, a.k.a. free enterprise, to take steps to overcome climate change deniers, to discontinue the abuse of those that are different, and yes, to stop crime.

The task of governing society should not lay with a political caste but with the members of society itself, via well-informed consensus arrangements, and given how many people there are, a centralized government is an ill-conceived one-size-fits-all that inevitably creates an abusive caste system. People should unite and be allowed to vote directly on individual issues in small, localized and well-informed groups, and for issues of a larger scope, multiple (or even all) local groups can work together. Every citizen should be a member of government, and government should serve every individual. It's that simple.

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Over here in Belgium, we are currently facing a bit of a political crisis — one that will with the utmost certainty never be resolved as it should — regarding the pensions and other extralegal benefits of the political caste, and even though it is not said out loud, the scandal actually involves the whole government, irrespective of what political party they're from. And that's exactly why it is not said out loud, except by a few isolated journalists and a small and still very young far-left political party — they're the ones who exposed this whole thing. Because the whole political establishment is complicit in this moral corruption that has been going on for decades already, and thus, if someone from the establishment were to speak out against the issue, then they'd also be condemning themselves, given that they've all opportunistically been riding that same wagon.

I've said it before and I'll say it again...: As a disabled person, my monthly income sits about €300 — actually, a little more than that — below the official European poverty barrier. The average politician's income is about 1000% of mine — many of them actually have a salary of an even much bigger magnitude — and half of their salary is exempt from taxes of any kind. And it doesn't end there, because then there are all the tax-deductible expenses and extralegal benefits on top of that.

So, as I've said before, change the system so that politicians are only being paid as little as what I myself and others like me have to survive of, and then see how many of them will still stay in office at that minimal income out of their alleged political idealism and service to society, versus how many of them will be quitting politics in order to find some fat-salary job with additional benefits in the private sector. I guarantee you that barring two or maybe three individuals, the entire parliament would be empty in each of the seven different governments we have in this country. And the same would be true for the mayors' offices.

A government composed of the members of a political caste is not a government by the people and for the people. It's a lucrative business and career opportunity that pretends to care about justice and fairness, and then comes up with laws that everyone must obey except for they themselves.

Lastly, Wokemons™ are not social justice warriors. They are neurotic control freaks who seek to turn their own neuroses and self-acceptance issues — the vast majority of them seemingly related to gender identity, sexual orientation and other procreation-related challenges, and the small remainder related to ethnic and/or racial issues — into laws that all other people should then be forced to observe under the threat of legal retaliation in order for the neurotics in question to be able to feel good about themselves.

I consider myself left-wing and fairly pragmatic, but even I will insist that one person's freedom ends where another person's freedom begins. And that is a concept the Wokemons™ simply don't seem to grasp.

[Wind]

And that is a concept the Wokemons™ simply don't seem to grasp.

No worries, at least in Florida Ron DeSantis is fighting the Wokemons.


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HeOY1hjh3A

[Aragorn]

No worries, at least in Florida Ron DeSantis is fighting the Wokemons.


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HeOY1hjh3A

Yeah, but DeSantis is a far-right pig — and that's actually an insult to pigs.

[Aianawa]

Cmon please Frank, why ?, because why ?, the snorter Santy is popular and tries to be non compliant to stupidity and wokyness, must be some joy n that ?

[Emil El Zapato]

Cmon please Frank, why ?, because why ?, the snorter Santy is popular and tries to be non compliant to stupidity and wokyness, must be some joy n that ?

Who is he helping, Aianawa.

Who is he helping, Aianawa.

Glad to see you back, Fred...I was starting to suffer existential crises without you.

[Emil El Zapato]

Criminy can't they find something better to love? Like themselves. The government doesn't love them. It isn't concerned with our health, or our spirituality. And their solutions are so...yecch. Mediocre. The same ground trod over to no good effect for how long?

I find this obsession with the government taking care of them a kind of self-loathing, a detachment from self. There's so much self loathing in the world and particularly in politics. And literally its making people sick. Me included.

I just got to say this, put this out there since these Thrive type discussions and their involvement with the UF always end up derailed by politics and other hate artifacts.

Last month I just got a really bad DX, a state 3 nearly stage 4 boo boo.

Some people may call it the C word; I called it me internalizing self-loathing and not necessarily my own. It's like a constant diet of hate out there and unless you crawl under a rock you are just bombarded with it. I don't believe in cancer but i know hate exists and the two are entwined. Show me a genetic cancer and I will show you an emotion that has caused the body so much stress its chemically altering DNA. In all of us. And we are doing it to ourselves. I blame politics for us dumping so much hate out there and pretending one party or person is better than the other to excuse our addiction to hate and self loathing.

I do admit to it being very scary because I do believe in emotional toxicity and what dumping so much hate into the field does to us sensitive creatures. I can manage my own emotions but I cannot manage the emotions that everyone is constantly dumping into the environment. I can't change them so I have to change me. I can't pry the poison way but I can refuse to absorb it and replace it with healthier stuff.

Using that UF theory which these Thrive type movies really need to be centered on, I'm a month out from that DX. In that time the DX has been rolled back in spite of all the confirming tests, the scans, the MRIs, the biopsies. As of this am, the post op biopsy was a Stage 1 even though the symptoms and size the day of my surgery last week in no way resembled Stage 1.

As of today I am still a day shy of that initial DX and I'm boo boo free.

After a month.

In one month, from nearly stage 4 to dis-ease free.

This UF stuff does not eff around. I had to stop effing around.

We need to stop effing around. All of us.

Stop effing around

Well that's good to hear, I had a similar situation...and a very positive result. Better than I could have hoped for. I attribute it to prayer and divine intervention. Not my power, God's power. And government in my opinion in the physical world does the same. At a bare minimum control the killing in the streets.

I'm going off on tangents here, but we elect the people that govern us, if we elect DeSantis, Orange AntiChrist, how can we expect better.

It's super hard when people don't understand equality or what equality is. It's not an entitlement, but it's treated as such, its not something the government can give you but it's treated as such. In part it comes from within. Even people who bend over backwards to prove they are not racists end up being racist or reverse racist because they can't get a grasp on what equality is. It's not deferential treatment of this group of people or that group.

How does it occur naturally? What does equality look like in nature? .

What makes you and I equal? Or me and Chuckie? Or you or anyone?

How much of it is choice?

Do you have the same talents, and abilities, IQ, emotional intelligence, same stature, muscle strength, build, agility, balance, shoe size, pant size, hair color as I do?

I am sure we don't, so what exactly makes us equal?

Stop that, Boids...that argument is terribly disturbing to me. It's denial, facade and simply not real.

[Emil El Zapato]

Yes well death is the great equalizer which rather implies we were not equal prior to death. You bring up many good points but we are also vesting high ideals and good ideas that serve humanity to a body of people who serve themselves. There are not equal to task. How do we make them equal to the task? We can't. But we keep handing them the responsibility over and over. So we aren't equal to the task. Or are we. We are equal to the task we are just going about it the wrong way.

Justice yes, Justice to ourselves, doing justice to our selves. We don't do that. We are always chasing some vague put upon group and seeking justice for them because even though they have the same opportunities and protections as the rest of us, there's some thing they feel they are deprived of.

Equality is relative to rights. Like rights you have to respect your own equality. That is why I see people of color overcome seemingly impossible odds and they will tell you they never stopped believing in their own equality or their own right to hold their position in the world and none of it had nothing to do with the government or laws or social justice.

The inception of the US summed up what made us equal. Rights. Three specific rights. The right to life (from this came our bill of rights) liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. None of these were guaranteed. You could chase happiness your whole life and never find it but you were free to do so. We cannot have equality without freedom. Like rights equality came with responsibilities. Or you could just throw in the towel and blame someone else because you weren't equal. I don't see anyone giving the bare minimum of respect ot life these days and I don't mean babies and abortions but respecting each other's right to life, other people's freedoms and other people's pursuits of happiness.

The US has more laws about equality than any on the planet. What you can't make people do is enforce their equality. The gov offers protection for rights, it has laws to protect your equality but if you don't have it inside none of those laws or protections matter. And that is what happens most. Let's say a woman isn't being paid as much as a man. Under law she has certain protections and rights to allow her to be paid the same as a man for the same job. Yet instead she gives up, and becomes a poster child for inequality without taking any avenue to enforce and ensure she is paid equally. She complains a lot and plays victim which makes her even more unequal.

We have become a nation addicted to the feelings that come with learned helplessness and becoming a victim. Realizing how much people are addicted to these emotions like anyone else is addicted to pills, or booze, is probably the most life defining moment of my life. We are a nation of addicts. And we act like it. , But realizing that explained so much of the bat shit crazy behaviors I've seen in politics and the woke social justice warriors. They are producing chemicals and they are getting addicted to that which they produce.

The spirit is indomitable you say...Place the concept in a different context. What would you say to a five year old girl that is repeatedly raped by her stepfather? Or a ten year old abused schizophrenic boy that murders the boogie man down the street. Inequality and unfairness run rampant and no one is expected to help, no entity has a responsibility to help? People are born feeling equal and wanting equality if they aren't raised by people that had their souls crushed in their own time. Have you ever muttered the word, n*gger barely under your breath; spic, kike, fag, crip, zebra, freak. It is social animosity common to the human animal. Do not we as a species have the spiritual courage to say no, that is not right? And aren't we being unfair and treating less than equal when we don't care?

[Aianawa]

Gotta try this, how much worse are things under bidens controllers than Trumps ?.