Thrive II: This is What it Takes

[Aianawa]

Gosh imo your all doin exstreamlee well, have not watched yet, school holydays lol.

[Emil El Zapato]

That was one of the things that turned me off as well. I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed.

yes, it was conspiracy laden and that was one of the biggest contradictions. One can't be positive and yet blame the 'deep state' at the same time. PA is a prime example of how that double-bind mentality will make one loopy (difficult). I did the think the wife, though she didn't have much room to express it was the much healthier of the two. If she could have, I suspect she would have been giving her husband the 'side-eye'.

[Diabolical Boids]

The crop circles were the best of both Thrives. I still don't know what to make of this unified field thing. I found a lot of contradictory hopes and suggestions while watching II. And I didn't have the luxury of checking any of the claims made so as yet undecided and will likely remain that way. One thing really struck me though, way too much propaganda screwing the whole thing up.

Unified field is a seemingly contradictory place. It's an not a place of senses or feeling. Nor of hope. It's just space. A place of suggestions, or potentials and possibilities. It's nothing, and you go there to be nobody, no identification, you go there just to be a thought or an awareness Matter is created from nothing so you have to be no place and be nobody to create from. So yeah I can totally see why someone would have a hard time sorting it out here, in a conscious state of mind which is a place of senses, feelings, bias, subjective scrutiny. You can't look at or experience the UF from here. I could tell you how to experience UF but I couldn't tell you anything beyond that because that is your space within that field, not mine. Even mine doesn't same the same or operate the way I think it will but it does works ...then, now, later, after the fact, before the fact. It's already happened before you thought of it, etc. It's interesting but not someplace I want to go in a state of usual consciousness with everyday waking brainwave activity even if that were possible. Half the time I can't remember being there anyway.

In the end its going to be based on your own experience and what you do within the unified field, not what other people are thinking doing or feeling out here in the un-unified field.

[Emil El Zapato]

Unified field is a seemingly contradictory place. It's an not a place of senses or feeling. Nor of hope. It's just space. A place of suggestions, or potentials and possibilities. It's nothing, and you go there to be nobody, no identification, you go there just to be a thought or an awareness Matter is created from nothing so you have to be no place and be nobody to create from. So yeah I can totally see why someone would have a hard time sorting it out here, in a conscious state of mind which is a place of senses, feelings, bias, subjective scrutiny. You can't look at or experience the UF from here. I could tell you how to experience UF but I couldn't tell you anything beyond that because that is your space within that field, not mine. Even mine doesn't same the same or operate the way I think it will but it does works ...then, now, later, after the fact, before the fact. It's already happened before you thought of it, etc. It's interesting but not someplace I want to go in a state of usual consciousness with everyday waking brainwave activity even if that were possible. Half the time I can't remember being there anyway.

In the end its going to be based on your own experience and what you do within the unified field, not what other people are thinking doing or feeling out here in the un-unified field.

That makes sense, I'm thinking I've been there for quite some time, though migraines detract from the wonderfullness of it.

[Diabolical Boids]

That makes sense, I'm thinking I've been there for quite some time, though migraines detract from the wonderfullness of it.

Maybe fix those migraines next time you are there? Then you can enjoy it more.

[Octopus Garden]

I assume that anybody making a film that screws up political definitions this badly, will get many other elements wrong as well. The New Age movement is rife with grifters trying to make money by promoting what has the 'feel' of love and peace and novel solutions to global problems. In the end, if they are politically or ideologically rigid, I can't give them my time.

There can be no peace, love, under economic and political structures that support end stage corporate capitalism, imo.

[Emil El Zapato]

I assume that anybody making a film that screws up political definitions this badly, will get many other elements wrong as well. The New Age movement is rife with grifters trying to make money by promoting what has the 'feel' of love and peace and novel solutions to global problems. In the end, if they are politically or ideologically rigid, I can't give them my time.

There can be no peace, love, under economic and political structures that support end stage corporate capitalism, imo.

yeah, it was a mixed bag. My head has been banging migraines lately (no doubt coffee is causing them) but I really left that video not even being able to hate it because it was swinging philosophically pole-to-pole by my reckoning. It left me thinking, "hunh?"

I am curious though what you mean about end stage capitalism because even that can be good or bad. Capitalism spelled freedom to be creative is a good thing, but Capitalism for exploitation should be struck by lightning. Money is the root of all evil and leaves a chasm like void for a solution where it is not needed.

[Octopus Garden]

yeah, it was a mixed bag. My head has been banging migraines lately (no doubt coffee is causing them) but I really left that video not even being able to hate it because it was swinging philosophically pole-to-pole by my reckoning. It left me thinking, "hunh?"

I am curious though what you mean about end stage capitalism because even that can be good or bad. Capitalism spelled freedom to be creative is a good thing, but Capitalism for exploitation should be struck by lightning. Money is the root of all evil and leaves a chasm like void for a solution where it is not needed.

End stage capitalism is defined by money and power being concentrated at the top of a pyramid through oligopoly. As in, when corporations grow large enough to edge out new competition--and they manage to do it with the help of governments that they control, by quasi-legal means.

For example, anti-trust law and anti-competition laws are ignored. And oligopolies (a few big players, not just one) can do end runs around laws that regulate monopolies, so, in effect, they can operate with all the freedom and control as a monopoly but without proper oversight.

It's not by chance that life has become so unfair and such a hard grind for a majority of the population. It's also not a left/right issue. It's politically bipartisan and a top versus bottom problem. Also, not confined to the U.S.

Btw, Biden, regardless of most of what he claims, has done nothing to curtail this. By breaking the rail strike, he has shown the world and his cronies that he doesn't support unions. Unions were able to offset some of the unfairness in this system, in days gone by. There could be a return yet, to strong union influence. Let's hope.

If not...I don't know. The idiots at the top of the pyramid will have hung themselves, as they require consumers to keep the game going and people are becoming more and more poverty stricken.

Marx describes it very well.

[Emil El Zapato]

End stage capitalism is defined by money and power being concentrated at the top of a pyramid through oligopoly. As in, when corporations grow large enough to edge out new competition--and they manage to do it with the help of governments that they control, by quasi-legal means.

For example, anti-trust law and anti-competition laws are ignored. And oligopolies (a few big players, not just one) can do end runs around laws that regulate monopolies, so, in effect, they can operate with all the freedom and control as a monopoly but without proper oversight.

It's not by chance that life has become so unfair and such a hard grind for a majority of the population. It's also not a left/right issue. It's politically bipartisan and a top versus bottom problem. Also, not confined to the U.S.

Btw, Biden, regardless of most of what he claims, has done nothing to curtail this. By breaking the rail strike, he has shown the world and his cronies that he doesn't support unions. Unions were able to offset some of the unfairness in this system, in days gone by. There could be a return yet, to strong union influence. Let's hope.

If not...I don't know. The idiots at the top of the pyramid will have hung themselves, as they require consumers to keep the game going and people are becoming more and more poverty stricken.

Marx describes it very well.

It is an unusual situation for Biden, perhaps, with the supply chain business and all that. The railroad industry has been traditionally very well paid. In my hometown (and many friends) the jobs were considered elite.

Perhaps, no excuse but life plays tricks on us mercilessly. Remember that Reagan was solely responsible for killing unions. Incidentally, I have always been pro unions, I belonged to one for 10 years.

[Octopus Garden]

The union employees aren't paid that well, have limited sick time and are forced to work over time, like it or not. It's kind of hazardous.

[Wind]

The New Age movement is rife with grifters trying to make money by promoting what has the 'feel' of love and peace and novel solutions to global problems. In the end, if they are politically or ideologically rigid, I can't give them my time.

There can be no peace, love, under economic and political structures that support end stage corporate capitalism, imo.

You are aware that the couple behind this doc are Foster and Kimberly Carter Gamble as in Procter & Gamble?

They of course have benefited a lot from capitalism. I would agree that capitalism as we know it is cancerous.

[Diabolical Boids]

It's not free market capitalism. Call it whatever, Croney Capitalism, Monopoly Capitalism, Corporate Welfare capitalism is not Capitalism anymore than the socialism described isn't socialism--power to the worker. There's plenty of capital involved in that sort of socialism. The Democrats think Biden is all about Socialism. The Biden version of socialism is the more power to the government and maybe it will feed and clothe some of most sought voting demographics until the capital runs out then there's someone to blame when that happens. I am beginning to think these attempts to 'take down America' are no longer a plot or conspiracy theory its just the people have become that devolved.

There's a funky little New Age town near me an artists haven. They all have anti capitalism bills posted over the cash registers where they are pulling in cash hand over fist and failing to see the irony of people who politely decline to purchase their goods as not to offend them (and wondering why people laugh at them) so I'm also thinking the New Age community isn't the most reliable source of what is or isn't socialism. Or capitalism.

[Emil El Zapato]

The union employees aren't paid that well, have limited sick time and are forced to work over time, like it or not. It's kind of hazardous.

Railroaders? Times have changed apparently. I had a dentist that said if he had it to do all over again, he would work for the Santa Fe railroad instead of becoming a dentist.

[Emil El Zapato]

It's not free market capitalism. Call it whatever, Croney Capitalism, Monopoly Capitalism, Corporate Welfare capitalism is not Capitalism anymore than the socialism described isn't socialism--power to the worker. There's plenty of capital involved in that sort of socialism. The Democrats think Biden is all about Socialism. The Biden version of socialism is the more power to the government and maybe it will feed and clothe some of most sought voting demographics until the capital runs out then there's someone to blame when that happens. I am beginning to think these attempts to 'take down America' are no longer a plot or conspiracy theory its just the people have become that devolved.

There's a funky little New Age town near me an artists haven. They all have anti capitalism bills posted over the cash registers where they are pulling in cash hand over fist and failing to see the irony of people who politely decline to purchase their goods as not to offend them (and wondering why people laugh at them) so I'm also thinking the New Age community isn't the most reliable source of what is or isn't socialism. Or capitalism.

No, Biden is more benign than that, his motivations are good but he falls short, of course. All societal-oriented motivations fall short because of the dominance of the Hegelian Dialectic process of back-and-forth between the right and the left.

[Aragorn]

It's not free market capitalism. Call it whatever, Croney Capitalism, Monopoly Capitalism, Corporate Welfare capitalism is not Capitalism anymore than the socialism described isn't socialism--power to the worker. There's plenty of capital involved in that sort of socialism.

And that's exactly why all efforts to create a truly socialist society have always failed. The rules — and temptations — of capitalism have always remained in the picture. And thus, it has always been armchair socialism rather than true socialism. "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others", you know?

The Democrats think Biden is all about Socialism.

No, they don't. If they truly thought Biden was a socialist, then instead of voting him into the White House, they would have put him on a slow boat to China, just as they did with Bernie Sanders.

What the Democrats do think about Biden is that he's "left-wing", or at least, along the US American definition of left-wing, and thus "a liberal". But over here in Ewwrope, liberalism is not considered a left-wing philosophy, even though most Uro-Peeing liberals are onboard with the Wokemons™.

The Biden version of socialism is the more power to the government and maybe it will feed and clothe some of most sought voting demographics until the capital runs out then there's someone to blame when that happens.

Yes, the US Democrats are all about Big Government™, and that is generally one of the reasons the average US American has the wrong idea about socialism — as did all the armchair socialists of yore for that matter, which is one of the three main reasons why socialist regimes have so far always failed to live up to their promises. The two other reasons are — as I've already mentioned, and as you yourself have also highlighted — (1) that socialist regimes have internally always retained capitalism in some form or another, and (2) that no nation on this planet can ever be 100% self-sufficient, and that as such, socialist regimes have so far always had to exist as enclaves within a global capitalist and even corporatist system.

But socialism does not require any government, because the exact model of governing any given society doesn't have anything to do with socialism. A socialist society could be anarchist, a parliamentary democracy, or technically even a dictatorship, albeit that in the latter case, the very existence of the dictator — whether it's an individual or a political party — is in direct opposition to the socialist ideal of egalitarianism.

I am beginning to think these attempts to 'take down America' are no longer a plot or conspiracy theory its just the people have become that devolved.

That's what it is, yes. And it is because of this that the right-wing began believing that it was all a conspiracy in the first place.

There's a funky little New Age town near me an artists haven. They all have anti capitalism bills posted over the cash registers where they are pulling in cash hand over fist and failing to see the irony of people who politely decline to purchase their goods as not to offend them (and wondering why people laugh at them) so I'm also thinking the New Age community isn't the most reliable source of what is or isn't socialism. Or capitalism.

The New Age community is just another bunch of airheads, with lots of woo-woo, walking with conviction into the wrong direction. We're trapped between the Wokemons™ on the one hand and the Project MAGAloonies™ on the other hand.