Pluto is now in Aquarius first time in 248 years - transformation ahead

[Octopus Garden]

On optimism.

When I was young I was afraid of death and didn't believe in an afterlife. After much agonizing I realized that absent all evidence either in support of or against an afterlife, the best position to take was agnosticism.

But then, I realized, maintaining agnosticism on this topic was impossible, as the subconscious sees things in black and white. So, I wwould have to be consciously focused on maintaining a neutral stance to overcome that ingrained bias.

Had I not chosen to believe, I wouldn't have been open to or even been aware of Raymond Moody's original work on Near Death Experience. After I read his books, I realized no 'belief' was required, that there was evidence for it.

So my choice to believe in life after death and how I reasoned it out, shows basic optimism.

[Chuckie]

On optimism.

When I was young I was afraid of death and didn't believe in an afterlife. After much agonizing I realized that absent all evidence either in support of or against an afterlife, the best position to take was agnosticism.

But then, I realized, maintaining agnosticism on this topic was impossible, as the subconscious sees things in black and white. So, I wwould have to be consciously focused on maintaining a neutral stance to overcome that ingrained bias.

Had I not chosen to believe, I wouldn't have been open to or even been aware of Raymond Moody's original work on Near Death Experience. After I read his books, I realized no 'belief' was required, that there was evidence for it.

So my choice to believe in life after death and how I reasoned it out, shows basic optimism.

I'm impressed that you were able to make that transition. You are right, belief is almost irrelevant, what matters is faith.

[Wind]

A leap of faith can make all the difference and eventually knowledge becomes direct knowing through experience also.

Sometimes I wonder and am saddened as to why my older brother became an agnostic yet I know everyone has their own path.

As a teenager he told me he thinks God is everything. My developing mind at the time didn't fully comprehend the meaning of it.

His sign is Scorpio, Moon and rising in Sagittarius which is my mother's sign. Would you like to take a look at his chart, Chuckie?

[Chuckie]

A leap of faith can make all the difference and eventually knowledge becomes direct knowing through experience also.

Sometimes I wonder and am saddened as to why my older brother became an agnostic yet I know everyone has their own path.

As a teenager he told me he thinks God is everything. My developing mind at the time didn't fully comprehend the meaning of it.

His sign is Scorpio, Moon and rising in Sagittarius which is my mother's sign. Would you like to take a look at his chart, Chuckie?

yeah, and I would say that Sagittarians have a tendency to start life with great faith and then over time become agnostic. I grilled my sister-in-law on faith just awhile back (She's a Sagittarian). Conversely, I have seen that happen in reverse, which is what I am hoping for my daughter.

[Wind]

yeah, and I would say that Sagittarians have a tendency to start life with great faith and then over time become agnostic.

Not my mother. She's always been into Christianity and Christ although her parents weren't that religious.

[Chuckie]

Right, my sister-in-law said she still has faith just according to my brother not much interested in church going. My stepmother was an example of the former started faithfully and eventually said in effect God can't exist because he hasn't done anything for me.

I'll look at your brother's chart wind.

[Wind]

I keep sometimes reading Reddit Astrology page and see interesting comments there.

I hope we see that liberation as well.

But I think Pluto in Aquarius could also have some darker issues as well. During Pluto in Aquarius, the USA Constitution and Bill of Rights was drafted yes. But the institution of slavery-the restriction of freedom, an Aquarian quality-was made official and sanctioned in the USA with the 3/5ths Compromise in that same time period. In one stroke, liberty and slavery were established in America. Yet across the sea in post-revolution France a few years later, the French took steps to abolish slavery and worked towards freedom as well.

Pluto demands tests and rebirth, at the risk of perversion and misuse. I wonder if we will see similar dilemmas like the Founding Fathers did with slavery? Will we see similar chaos with our relationship to the digital world? The internet is a connective Aquarian invention, which can be used to unite or enslave us with digital censorship and surveillance.

Aquarius also rules brotherhood and groups yes, but those same brotherhoods can be cults of religion and facism. As climate change and food crises increase, will we see a rise in tyrannical brotherhood like movements-for people looking for easy answers to the problems of a harsher world? Or will we see brotherhoods united in pursuit of freedom and human dignity?

One thing is for sure, we are going to see some major political upheavals and new ideas ushered. The traditional Capricorn in Pluto vs nontraditional Aquarius could not be any more different.

I think we will see all of that which is mentioned there. (R)evolutions, the collective chaos and wars that come with and finally peace.

[Octopus Garden]

I keep sometimes reading Reddit Astrology page and see interesting comments there.



I think we will see all of that which is mentioned there. (R)evolutions, the collective chaos and wars that come with and finally peace.

Excellent Wind. What an articulate and discerning way the author has of describing what could easily play out. It already is, in a way!

[Wind]

Interesting take here. I would want to share her optimism and it'd be wonderful if everyone would just join together to sing kumbaya, but I just don't quite see that happening. There's too much pressure building, too much unresolved collective karma. Tensions in USA and between USA, Russia and China. The pressure will be relieved and Pluto might not make it very pleasant, only after that in the 2030's things could be nice, but the question is if it would have been after a big conflict. Something brings down the old structures and Pluto wields it's sword and says; "off with his head". I'd love to be wrong though. I suppose we'll see what revolutions truly will mean.


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZsPtQ2dSDw

[Chuckie]

Interesting take here. I would want to share her optimism and it'd be wonderful if everyone would just join together to sing kumbaya, but I just don't quite see that happening. There's too much pressure building, too much unresolved collective karma. Tensions in USA and between USA, Russia and China. The pressure will be relieved and Pluto might not make it very pleasant, only after that in the 2030's things could be nice, but the question is if it would have been after a big conflict. Something brings down the old structures and Pluto wields it's sword and says; "off with his head". I'd love to be wrong though. I suppose we'll see what revolutions truly will mean.


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZsPtQ2dSDw

hmm, that's not what I see at all...I see more conflict for 40 years and then 20 years of 'insanity' during the 'real' transition at which point there will be a reaping of the effort. But it will be a continued 'upward' motion regarding social consciousness. Actually, I'm disappointed to see this, I was hoping it was going to be sooner.

[Wind]

I see more conflict for 40 years and then 20 years of 'insanity' during the 'real' transition at which point there will be a reaping of the effort.

Well your view is even more pessimistic than mine. I don't think humanity has 40 years left to spend on conflict anymore, not even 20.

[Chuckie]

Well your view is even more pessimistic than mine. I don't think humanity has 40 years left to spend on conflict anymore, not even 20.

lol, we'll make it and you will get to see it....