Cause And Effect

[Emil El Zapato]

Murdoch is possibly one of the most despicable cretins to walk on this Earth spreading all that vile nonsense through Faux Propaganda. When evil selfish douchebags like that get in ruling positions then society will be greatly influenced too and for the worse. Americans in general are so brainwashed that it's hard to even fathom it because the brainwashing already starts from school and then TV does the rest with fluoride and other chemicals in the tap water.

Murdoch kicked out Sucker because he no longer could stand him and he wasn't useful to him. Carlson is heralded as one of the champions of truth in the ultra right wing circles and in the alternative community, yet he too actually hated Trump and he's a known liar and antisemite. They all would stab each other in the back as soon as they get the chance. Totally self-serving jerks who only care about themselves. Yet the people listening to them wouldn't even know truth if it hit them straight in the face. Those propaganda channels such as Faux and CNN just keep people in the cultural war in US. It's manufactured bullshit. I don't know if that's enough to cause a civil war though, there probably has to be bigger issues for that than some Woke World Wars.

Trump is agent Orance unleashed, Captain Chaos created by the narcissistic, self-entitled culture and he is there to cause mayhem, round two is coming soon. Old sleepy Joe Biden serves his corporate puppet masters and the military industrial complex, just like the rest of the status quo cookie cutter politicians.

If people think that those are the best "leaders" then my goodness, I'd like to say that they surely deserve to be ruled by such morons in Idiocracy. The two-party system ruled by money is obsolete and morally bankrupt. The inmates are running the asylum, enjoy the show.


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeQdpLlIjl0

It's the old Hegelian Dialectic trick again. We are truly stuck (is it just Americans?). That is why I believe that 'money as the root of survival' needs to be removed completely from the formula. It's a Hegelian struggle but we need to find a way to get there. There have been suggestions.

It is like the Turing problem, they are equivalent philosophical approaches that can be 'proven' by following the basic proof heuristics. In general, it is referred to as the 'Hard problem'

"A Turing Complete system means a system in which a program can be written that will find an answer (although with no guarantees regarding runtime or memory) ."

[Diabolical Boids]

I concur Fred.

What you described is the basis of identity politics. To agree with someone we despise on even one item means risking our identity which is sooo important to emotionally and mentally damaged people. Without it they would be invisible, they would be nobody. The entire West is mentally and emotionally ill. That politicians are insane is a given but the population has to be mentally ill to keep this system up.

Invert what we believe. The 99 percent has to go, not the 1 percent. The 1 percent don't have the power to keep creating this shit, but we the 99 percent do.

Even Europeans have allowed themselves to get sucked into identity politics. Or rather politics that steals our identities.

I wasn't a Trump fan (I'm sure someone will come along to correct me ) but I was fascinated how one man got under everyone's skin to the extent that we are willing to destroy the entire globe to get the idea of him out of our heads. And they can't. I was fascinated by the reactions to him. Who lets someone LIKE that get under their skin to that extent? That's insane.
Trump's mental illness is less interesting to me than the people who cling to this idea that he has affected them personally, has wounded them on a personal level. Even more fascinating are the mentally ill who think Biden's mental illness is healthy. His not doing anything but starting a war is a boon to wounded egos. No matter how much people say don't want a war, they want a war. Their whole life is a war and conflict. War will validate them.

I am still morbidly fascinated how people are so willing to destroy themselves and a nation over Trump and Biden TO THIS DAY. The next impeachment, the arrest, the next law suit, that will lay Trump to rest and Biden will be victorious and validate his suspect election. But it doesn't.

Because they love it, they love wallowing in that so the Trump they are trying so hard to get rid of has to be drug into the limelight over and over.

Now they are left with a thoughtform they are trying to exorcise, and they can't realize it because they are insane. Same with Biden the Savior instigating economic collapse and a new world war. That's a thoughtform.

Russia evil/ good. China evil/ good, Putin good/ bad. All thoughtforms zizzling back and forth and the insane reacting to them nothing to do with the truth, but its just about what we are creating and hating what we are creating but addicted to it instead of just fucking stop creating this shit. They can't. They thrive on it.

That we cannot sit down with people we don't like and agree on something reminds me of people who have never had a real job or life experience. Or were ever gainfully employed for a duration. They never had a boss or leader who was good at their job , good at getting things done, but had a horrible personality? All of our politicians have to have some sort of warm character or star appeal like it's a tv show? How they person effects their emotions is more important than how the person affects problems.


Maybe politics and governance isn't real to them or they think it will have no effect on themselves, or anyone. It's more like a tv show or a video game or game show they are invested in. Their only interest or knowledge begins and ends with having 'their side" win or be in charge. That's it. That's all they are interested in. That's emotionally comforting even if it is physically endangering.

I was happy with 1.29 gas a few years ago. I have two gas guzzlers. I was able to pitch the excess funds into stuff for my family and extra charitable contributions. Seems like we could have built on this ...but no. That had to be shut down because the person in charge at the time had a personality we didn't like. And that would be great if I had a Ford Mustang that is fueled by personality. It's not.

I was happy without the prospect of war on the immediate horizon for a few years. It seems like we could have built on that but ....no. It had to be destroyed utterly because we didn't like the guy in charge. And because we harbor a secret craving for war and offense, we had to someone to do nothing but ensure a war.

I was happy with an 8-dollar wage increase in a duration of two years. It provided a lot of solutions. I bought a house for a family member. More money into charitable funds. It seems like we could have built on that....but no. The guy in charge of the people who effected the wage increases had a personality that someone didn't like.

I live along a corridor of child and woman trafficking. The attempt to snatch women and children was observable in the local Walmart parking lot. I was glad when funds were granted to form human trafficking task forces. I was glad when women could shop in the area without being molested by the illegals who are tapped to carry out the trafficking because they could pass through borders without question. For a couple of years anyway. It seems like we could have built on that instead of ending the task forces...but no. The people on the task force responsible for the arrests of traffickers had an oversight committee that answered to Congress who answered to a guy whose personality we didn't like.

WE are that childish Fred. We are that immature and lacking in growth. WE are that insane. All of those things that benefited everyone's existence but didn't make them feel good emotionally had to be destroyed instead of built on because we are insane.

I liked it when someone was taking missing children seriously. Seems like we could have built on that but...no. We had to get rid of it because someone who was like 1 percent responsible for getting the ball rolling on that had a personality we didn't like.


And the people who do this think and react and act this way think they have likable personalities. They think they are good people.

[Fred Steeves]

Commentator Gonzalo Lira arrested in Ukraine. Of course Western "media" is conveniently turning a blind eye to this:
https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/world-i...n-ukraine.html

Scary shit being disappeared, I've been following his channel closely, the sudden eerie silence is deafening. "Understand what's going on" is how he always signs off. Now those with eyes to see understand even further what's going on.

It's not just in Ukraine, or Russia for that matter.

Members of the Uhuru Movement are charged in a Russian plot to interfere in U.S. elections

Among those four charged is Omali Yeshitela, chairman of the St. Petersburg-based Uhuru Movement.

Four Americans affiliated with a Black empowerment and political organization have been charged along with three Russians with conspiring to covertly sow discord in U.S. society, spread Russian propaganda and interfere illegally in U.S. elections, according to an indictment unsealed Tuesday.

...

https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/courts...fere-elections

I remember this group from when I lived in the St. Pete area, it's a black Socialist group known for protesting US imperialism, and working to improve poor black neighborhoods. Sure they sow discord, that's what being an activist is all about. So fucking what? That's a 1ST Amendment protected activity all day long.

Or it used to be...

As for Russian propaganda, we're getting to the point where ANY speech not in line with the overarching Western narrative, is considered dangerous and a threat to national security.

And now a dissident group running a candidate for city council that earns a whopping 2% of the vote, is "interfering illegally in U.S. elections".

This is yet another face of the mental illness, that by and large most people on the street couldn't care less about things like this, because it's not happening to them, or a group that they approve of. And those voicing concern, are looked upon with contempt that they themselves are foreign agents. This is what Russiagate has now morphed into, almost like it was planned that way.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out because I was not a Socialist

[Emil El Zapato]

I concur Fred.

What you described is the basis of identity politics. To agree with someone we despise on even one item means risking our identity which is sooo important to emotionally and mentally damaged people. Without it they would be invisible, they would be nobody. The entire West is mentally and emotionally ill. That politicians are insane is a given but the population has to be mentally ill to keep this system up.

Invert what we believe. The 99 percent has to go, not the 1 percent. The 1 percent don't have the power to keep creating this shit, but we the 99 percent do.

Even Europeans have allowed themselves to get sucked into identity politics. Or rather politics that steals our identities.

I wasn't a Trump fan (I'm sure someone will come along to correct me ) but I was fascinated how one man got under everyone's skin to the extent that we are willing to destroy the entire globe to get the idea of him out of our heads. And they can't. I was fascinated by the reactions to him. Who lets someone LIKE that get under their skin to that extent? That's insane.
Trump's mental illness is less interesting to me than the people who cling to this idea that he has affected them personally, has wounded them on a personal level. Even more fascinating are the mentally ill who think Biden's mental illness is healthy. His not doing anything but starting a war is a boon to wounded egos. No matter how much people say don't want a war, they want a war. Their whole life is a war and conflict. War will validate them.

I am still morbidly fascinated how people are so willing to destroy themselves and a nation over Trump and Biden TO THIS DAY. The next impeachment, the arrest, the next law suit, that will lay Trump to rest and Biden will be victorious and validate his suspect election. But it doesn't.

Because they love it, they love wallowing in that so the Trump they are trying so hard to get rid of has to be drug into the limelight over and over.

Now they are left with a thoughtform they are trying to exorcise, and they can't realize it because they are insane. Same with Biden the Savior instigating economic collapse and a new world war. That's a thoughtform.

Russia evil/ good. China evil/ good, Putin good/ bad. All thoughtforms zizzling back and forth and the insane reacting to them nothing to do with the truth, but its just about what we are creating and hating what we are creating but addicted to it instead of just fucking stop creating this shit. They can't. They thrive on it.

That we cannot sit down with people we don't like and agree on something reminds me of people who have never had a real job or life experience. Or were ever gainfully employed for a duration. They never had a boss or leader who was good at their job , good at getting things done, but had a horrible personality? All of our politicians have to have some sort of warm character or star appeal like it's a tv show? How they person effects their emotions is more important than how the person affects problems.


Maybe politics and governance isn't real to them or they think it will have no effect on themselves, or anyone. It's more like a tv show or a video game or game show they are invested in. Their only interest or knowledge begins and ends with having 'their side" win or be in charge. That's it. That's all they are interested in. That's emotionally comforting even if it is physically endangering.

I was happy with 1.29 gas a few years ago. I have two gas guzzlers. I was able to pitch the excess funds into stuff for my family and extra charitable contributions. Seems like we could have built on this ...but no. That had to be shut down because the person in charge at the time had a personality we didn't like. And that would be great if I had a Ford Mustang that is fueled by personality. It's not.

I was happy without the prospect of war on the immediate horizon for a few years. It seems like we could have built on that but ....no. It had to be destroyed utterly because we didn't like the guy in charge. And because we harbor a secret craving for war and offense, we had to someone to do nothing but ensure a war.

I was happy with an 8-dollar wage increase in a duration of two years. It provided a lot of solutions. I bought a house for a family member. More money into charitable funds. It seems like we could have built on that....but no. The guy in charge of the people who effected the wage increases had a personality that someone didn't like.

I live along a corridor of child and woman trafficking. The attempt to snatch women and children was observable in the local Walmart parking lot. I was glad when funds were granted to form human trafficking task forces. I was glad when women could shop in the area without being molested by the illegals who are tapped to carry out the trafficking because they could pass through borders without question. For a couple of years anyway. It seems like we could have built on that instead of ending the task forces...but no. The people on the task force responsible for the arrests of traffickers had an oversight committee that answered to Congress who answered to a guy whose personality we didn't like.

WE are that childish Fred. We are that immature and lacking in growth. WE are that insane. All of those things that benefited everyone's existence but didn't make them feel good emotionally had to be destroyed instead of built on because we are insane.

I liked it when someone was taking missing children seriously. Seems like we could have built on that but...no. We had to get rid of it because someone who was like 1 percent responsible for getting the ball rolling on that had a personality we didn't like.


And the people who do this think and react and act this way think they have likable personalities. They think they are good people.

The single and overriding flaw in the argument is that 'ALL' politics is identity-driven. The only ones immune to that stupidity are the ones smart enough to completely disengage but that creates serious risks for those that have more to lose and most don't care to confront them.

It's like a dysfunctional relationship, oftentimes the only escape is to bail finally and completely. It isn't a completely intellectual exercise but for those caught in the web ultimately that is the only way to accomplish it, prior to that the fundamental driver is emotional. And, of course, for those observing the give-and-take, a sense of compassion will force engagement and precipitate a need to take a side.

One of Kant's primary philosophical points (as an analogy) states that if one sees a neighbor killing another, it is the neighbor's business do so and there is no moral or social compunction to intervene. I've long been a fan of Immanuel Kant but I don't buy into that aspect. His thinking is pure and idealogical but not practical in the real world.

[Fred Steeves]

Speaking of imprisoning people for the high crime of being a dissident, that goes for journalists as well.

This guy was particularly adept at his craft. He recently celebrated his fourth anniversary in solitary confinement at England's super high security Belmarsh Prison, remember him?

Chuckling, he just had him a nice little chat with their new king:
https://declassifieduk.org/a-kingly-...g-charles-iii/

[Diabolical Boids]

An excerpt from Letters to America.

Biden and Trump's narcissism and egocentricity is just our own reflected back. There's no essential difference in it, it's just how we identify. We could address our own mental issues, resolve our identity crisis, and neither of them would have the reflective mirror effect that triggers us so badly, but that same mentality would never allow for such deep self reflection. They are just the things we hate about ourselves, not that they are particularly loathsome qualities.

What is it about Trump? How did he do the impossible which was get elected and how did he seem so legit to some people.

Trump is a manifestation.

America had talked about a Trump presidency from the late 70's to the early 00's and beyond. There's video evidence for it in case we can't trust our memory anymore or predictably want to go into denial or we are too dishonest with ourselves to admit it.

Clintons, Reagan, Barbara Walters, Oprah, Larry King --all them gushing on in interviews about how necessary it was to have a Trump presidency. And left and right moderates gushing along with them. Gushing along because we are so little and insignificant, we think nothing we do is ever going to affect an outcome.

Wrong!

You can't put that sort of time, energy, visualization into motion repeatedly without it manifesting eventually. It's the law of the universe.

And if the Democratic party hadn't shifted into woke extremism Trump would still be president. He could have run on the Democratic ticket. He would have been fine for two election cycles because no wrongdoing or mistakes would ever have been admitted to.

That shift prompted him to run as a moderate Republican. He didn't have any choice. He wasn't going to be able to compete with Sanders on the Dem primary. He's a democrat, that fact has never changed. The party changed. Trump didn't. Sanders could thrive in a woke environment, Trump couldn't. He was too 1960s and 1970's liberal.

Liberals hate seeing him whine and cry the same way the rest of us tire of listening to anyone else whine and cry. Why shouldn't he cry. You manifested him and then blamed him that he was there at all like America hadn't been giving a thumbs up to a Trump presidency for 30 years.

Trump was fine and dandy when giving interviews and people were asking if he'd ever run for office and everything was just toasty ....until he ran for office. Then it was amazing to watch the gushers acting like they had never gushed. Talk about begging for what you don't want and then acting all indignant when it shows up. Like people having sex and being outraged they end up pregnant? How'd that happen?!!

No one would thought he would win. There was no way he could have won. That he won is plumb miracle that I marvel over to this day. Not politically but energetically. The election was rigged against him. A Clinton primacy had been in the works forever. It was a certainty. So how did he win?

We manifested him. That's the one thing we as Americans could agree on all these years. A Trump presidency. All through the 80s to the early aughts we nodded and bobbed our heads about it. Then it happened and no one could figure out how or why?

His run even roused me from my political apathy because I was so amazed by people's reaction to him like he wasn't on their tv show just a few weeks previous being gushed and fawned over. Really? The golden boy you gushed over five weeks ago is now a Nazi, Rapist, misogynist and you didn't mention that to us when you were gushing and fawning, Oprah?

You don't think that would have made a good story or boosted ratings? Or for national security it was sort of necessary you divulge that then, ten years ago, twenty years ago? If it's true you kept it hidden for self-serving purposes and if it's not true it just makes the same sort of loathsome person he is. No wonder you hate him, Mirror, Mirror.

So I made a list after he won. Why was Trump allowed in? Is he establishment? Legit? Going to put all the awakening sheeple back to sleep with better wages and jobs? Fifth column? An insert of the Democratic Party so they could have a Democrat in office just not Sanders. How'd he get there. None of the above.

We manifested him.

There is no political gatekeeper or agency that can stand in the way of 30 years of manifest energy coming from both sides of the aisle focused on a Trump presidency. That we didn't like what we manifested has nothing to do with it. And when Qanon came along it proved to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that someone else out there noticed Trump was a manifest destiny. (Had to say it, sorry. her de har har har. Not Sorry)

When the Qanon stuff came out, it was clearly not anything that anyone said it was. It was someone--a lot of someone's maybe-- trying to manifest something. Like a double quick time manifestation, not the long slow roll and lead up the Trump one had.

People crying it was a role playing game? That's how you manifest anything, Jumbo. You role play. I wonder where that energy will end up at since energy never dissipates.

Look at Trump energy. It's been out of office two years and no one on the left or right is letting it die. Energy goes where your attention is. It starts to die off and we need another witness to come forward, another arrest, another court case, another impeachment. All of which go no where and do nothing but manifest him some more. Out of control mages summoning an entity they claim is a demon.

What will happen to your identity if Trump disappears? Assuming we can ever let him go? Letting go of someone you hate is as hard, harder even than letting go of someone you love. Trump proves that everyday. He has something to do with the collective identity that we keep cleaning to him still.

Qanon wasn't doing anything the liberal MSM wasn't doing. That should have been the first thing people noticed before savaging each other over it.

IT wasn't doing what conspiracy theorists haven't been doing for years in forums like this.

MSM news had a bunch of dumbed down people entranced by the idiot box. Qanon had bunch of people with active imaginations. So?
What was there to get our panties in wad about?


And in spite of all the people who were totally convinced Trump was the real deal and then went on to be disappointed, the fact is he feels like the real deal because he was manifested. People thought they wanted Trump in office and then apparently didn't want what they wanted. Which is not new and just another symptom of collective insanity. Now that he's gone everyone wants him back to blame this that or the other on. We will never be able to let Trump go and the only people who are unaffected are the people who do not want to get into the issues of the insane collective who can't let it go.


Because we have short term memories and an inability to take responsibility for what we say, do or create doesn't matter. We live in delusions. We live in a world now where Bill Maher is accused of being a right wing nut job because he said something moderate and not extremist. We hate conservatives because they said something conservatives have said for fifty years so perhaps the shock value should have worn off by now?

That's not being smart or responsible. Actual really right-wing conservatives hate Trump. They have always hated the sort of liberalism that says "Let's not have another war." America --even conservatives--is lot more liberal then we are given credit for, it's just that it's not the woke mentally ill variety.

Because the majority of people in America are really moderate, left or right and not woke, or extreme it seems like a reasonable manifestation resulting from moderate minds. Not that it was correct choice necessarily but hey that should have been brought up in all those talk shows, eh? The people who manifested Trump are the ones who flipped the eff out like they created a Tulpa that bore all their inner demons.

Biden however is not a manifestation.

No one has spent any amount of time discussing how helpful it would be to have a Biden presidency over the last thirty years. Because he's a footman for the Clinton Bush cartel that's good at laundering money he's sort of a necessary evil but not a front man. No one wanted him for VP; he's baggage that Obama had to assume if he wanted to be president like an incontinent uncle you have to take in if you want his inheritance. Previous multiple failed bids for office spell out for us undeniably that no one ever wanted Biden for president no matter how much we say he's the most popular president ever. That's just more of the delusion we live in.

[Fred Steeves]

See, this is where we have been thoroughly trained to not only keep dividing ourselves, but eating our own as well. Odious as many of Tucker's views are IMO, he was the proverbial last man standing in American tv news across the board who dared to be anti war, and question our deep state. I don't care what his motives were he was doing it, and millions were listening.

Now there's nobody left, there are no others, to do even a smidge of that.

Well speak of the devil, he's back:
https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/st...37032538390530

I like what I'm hearing there, and if he wants to go all unleashed I'll welcome that. But the obvious first question I would have for him is with 30 years in the business that you're now (rightfully) going after, and the stories you could tell about how English speaking news in general is manipulated, why did you go along with it for 30 years?

Especially after the point you claim you were red pilled, you went along with it after that?

Another immediate question would be what's the deal with Trump already? In court discovery showed text messages depicting quite clearly your utter disdain for the man, yet here you are playing footsie with him again and on air, and somehow getting exclusive interviews. What gives? What happened behind the scenes for you two to kiss and make up after his fragile little ego found out you were secretly trashing him behind the scenes?

That said and more, I still kind of look forward to seeing what he has to say about news media manipulation. He would know obviously. If he wants to start throwing skeletons out from the closet, I'm all ears.

[Wind]

But the obvious first question I would have for him is with 30 years in the business that you're now (rightfully) going after, and the stories you could tell about how English speaking news in general is manipulated, why did you go along with it for 30 years?

I think the answer is rather obvious.

[Fred Steeves]

I think the answer is rather obvious.

Without actually hearing a response, does already knowing what it is automatically discredit everything else he may have to say?

[Wind]

Without actually hearing a response, does already knowing what it is automatically discredit everything else he may have to say?

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

[Fred Steeves]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Well, maybe I'm reading you wrong here Riku, but the image of "broken clock" sounds like reference to someone who is not to be listened to, only mocked and disparaged as is proper to do so in polite company.

If someone like "Sucker" (whose actual name shall not be spoken) is in that category, where does that put the West's new favorite boogieman, "Putler"? Would someone in that category ever be worth listening to, or is it like the West insists not a single word he utters is EVER the truth? The biggest liar that ever lived.

Much of the up and coming Global South, which is running away from the fading Rules Based International Order fast as they can safely do so, actually like both Russia and China and are eager to do business with them instead. Does that say something about these countries? Or does that say something about us?

[Wind]

Well, maybe I'm reading you wrong here Riku, but the image of "broken clock" sounds like reference to someone who is not to be listened to, only mocked and disparaged as is proper to do so in polite company.

I just don't really have respect for a person who intentionally lies and tells his audience what they want to hear only for the sake of the money. That's unless that you buy the theory that he would be in it for the quest of truth and freedom for the common people.

where does that put the West's new favorite boogieman, "Putler"? Would someone in that category ever be worth listening to

Maybe I have a bit of a blunt way of calling a spade a spade, but I don't really like to sugarcoat things. Putin is a thug and a mob boss.

Does that mean that he wouldn't have some common sense? Of course the West should have listened to him more earlier.

[modwiz]

I think the answer is rather obvious.

Well, then I am a retard who is clueless. Maybe it's blindness.

I will go sulk in a corner.

[Diabolical Boids]

Speaking of imprisoning people for the high crime of being a dissident, that goes for journalists as well.

This guy was particularly adept at his craft. He recently celebrated his fourth anniversary in solitary confinement at England's super high security Belmarsh Prison, remember him?

Chuckling, he just had him a nice little chat with their new king:
https://declassifieduk.org/a-kingly-...g-charles-iii/

I kinda remember a time when people and governments of the west sort of frowned on apprehending journalists.

[modwiz]

I kinda remember a time when people and governments of the west sort of frowned on apprehending journalists.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPqqXXIbi8U