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    What causes confusion are the favorite narratives of particular parties are contradictory to previously established narratives. Everyone is fighting for their party , like its a WWF match, and no matter how hateful, divisive and destructive it gets its okay as long as their team wins.

    We can all agree that the US needs to mind its own businessand stop busy bodying and warring around the globe, stirring up shit, destroying cultures and economies.

    But the moment its suggested, and it is popular with US citizens who are weary of war and being "responsible" for 90 percent of the planet: Let's stay home and work on our electric grid instead of sending billions for gender studies to places that will never allow the actual studies in any uni, and billions to this country or that country or that war or that conflict. Let's look inside and fix our own shit. Why doesn't every other western nation on the planet stop being a welfare state and fix what is wrong since we won't be around to 'fix' it for them.

    Then people's scalps are peeling off because they are screaming at the notion of the US not meddling in their affairs. Nazis! Racists! Cruel and evil people! Homophobes!

    Then the ever popular "The world is overpopulated."

    I don't know if it is or not because you can't trust a MF anywhere anymore to speak truthfully about the climate or the environment and none of us have done a tour of the globe to find out for ourselves. But let's say that is true. The world is overpopulated. Then let people die or get sick. Let nature take its course. For 2.5 years there's a frenzy of Covid panic that seemed to be reaching the apex of "No one should sicken or die, at all, ever again."

    Quit pushing vaccines, and take the warning tags off of hair driers and the world will depopulate itself. No blood on anyone's hands. No profit in that though.

    Let the demon climate have its way. Because you can't have it all ways. You can't cry the US is mean old war mongering bastard and then have a meltdown when its citizens express a desire to curb the bastard and retract behind their borders. You can't reduce the population and save and extend the life of everyone on the planet. We cannot have it all ways.

    But that is cruel. We have to curb the population but don't ever suggest that nature should just take its course. We'll save everyone's life by forcing medicine and vax down the throats of people who didn't ask for them and don't want them and then bitch that the world is overpopulated. That's the best route if anyone wants to see the demise of whatever political party they most hate.

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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    How did the US gain such dominance in the Western hemisphere post WW2? Because Western Europe lay in ruins while the US was largely unscathed.
    Three things...:

    • The creation (and deployment) of the atomic bomb;
    • The creation of NATO; and...
    • The Marshall Plan.
    = DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR =

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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    I'm seeing something new here, like it doesn't even really matter any more if it's the dreaded commies, or the evil empire. I think all that matters now is a question: "do you stand in between me, and being king of the hill again? If you do, then stand the fuck by because I'm coming for you next". If Australia started wanting to be a bigger player on the grand chessboard for instance, or heaven forbid choose to enter more into China's sphere of influence more than the US, then the gunsights would be swinging their way as well with that question. It just doesn't matter any more - There can be only one.

    My own pet theory is that it's no accident things like backfiring sanctions, and the lack of interest in solving the mystery of exploding pipelines, is only hurting EU countries and not so much Uncle Sam. How did the US gain such dominance in the Western hemisphere post WW2? Because Western Europe lay in ruins while the US was largely unscathed.

    Not that the average empty black suit is smart enough or longsighted enough for this kind of planning, but it certainly is a notable byproduct of their continuing actions. Western Europe's compass is aiming in the direction of gradual deindustrialization.

    Some of them over in your general neck of the woods are starting to grumble and grouse over this, but it's unsurprisingly not garnering much media attention, and they're afraid to say or do anything about it. Just, keep on cutting slices off that nose to spite the face. It's almost like being talked into some kind of sadistic self mutilation, and the US has enough plausible deniability to feign "who us?"
    The fight is against multi-polarity, for sure. The Maga types may currently have a more realistic take on this, but I wouldn't count on that lasting. As for now, it looks like if Maga wins, Russia is safer, and possibly China--in that it may be required for rare earth metals, etc...But under Maga the domestic population is faced with a true internal fascist dictatorship, where rule of law is completely tossed out the window.

    The fascists have made major encroachments into Canada and they are all Maga and have used every collective social, health distress in their toolbox to attempt to whip up a shit storm. The Convoy, attempted overthrow of Canadian federal govt., allying with local Ottawa police department. This is totally fascist. We're a country of law and most people are f'g fed up with this. Trudeau is no monster but he sure as heck had to act with emergency measures to restore order in Ottawa.

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    There seems to have been a concerted attempt to drive a wedge between China and Russia, by the U.S. in the last few years. Russia and China together would have formed an impenetrable barrier to American unipolarity. When it became clear that wouldn't be possible, the U.S. may have chosen to take on Russia, through proxies, rather than Chinese proxies, for obvious reasons. Though I am sure the U.S. played a role in civil unrest in Hong Kong.

    And now Iran? Civil unrest under the rubric of women's rights? You can be all for freedom and women's rights, while still acknowledging that the U.S is using these values as a way of undermining societies through various color revolutions. It usually doesn't work out well for the citizenry.

    It's like the entire planet is embroiled in Orwellian 2 minutes of hate sessions

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    Well the folks driving the wedge were the same ones who disregarded the cautionary warnings about baiting and backing Russia into a corner back in the early 2000's. They were warned that alienating Russia would basically drive them into the arms of the Chinese. The person who sneered at this all to real come to life projection is currently the sitting president of the US. They didn't believe it would happen. They never said why it wouldn't happen because most emphatically it was on an absolute trajectory even back then to happen.

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    Cause and Effect deals merely with "events." An "event" is "that which
    comes, arrives or happens, as a result or consequent of some preceding
    event." No event "creates" another event, but is merely a preceding link in
    the great orderly chain of events flowing from the creative energy of THE
    ALL. There is a continuity between all events precedent, consequent and
    subsequent. There is a relation existing between everything that has gone
    before, and everything that follows. A stone is dislodged from a mountain
    side and crashes through a roof of a cottage in the valley below. At first
    sight we regard this as a chance effect, but when we examine the matter
    we find a great chain of causes behind it. In the first place there was the
    rain which softened the earth supporting the stone and which allowed it
    to fall; then back of that was the influence of the sun, other rains, etc.,
    which gradually disintegrated the piece of rock from a larger piece; then
    there were the causes which led to the formation of the mountain, and
    its upheaval by convulsions of nature, and so on ad infinitum. Then we
    might follow up the causes behind the rain, etc. Then we might consider
    the existence of the roof.
    http://www.kybalion.org/TheKybalion.pdf



    Some people trace the current events in Ukraine back to the 2014 ""Maidan Coup", even NATO's 2008 open invitation to Georgia and Ukraine for membership; but keeping "The Kybalion" quote in mind, 1996 could enter the running for external causes. Is that where/when it really started, the gleam in dad's eye?

    (This is not a photoshopped cover)





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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    Some people trace the current events in Ukraine back to the 2014 ""Maidan Coup", even NATO's 2008 open invitation to Georgia and Ukraine for membership; but keeping "The Kybalion" quote in mind, 1996 could enter the running for external causes. Is that where/when it really started, the gleam in dad's eye?
    I think the real trigger for the Russian annexation of the Crimea peninsula in 2014 and the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2022 was the western invitation for Ukraine to join NATO, but it is no secret — or for those who've had their heads in the sand up until recently, it should by now already long not be any secret anymore — that the CIA and MI5/MI6 have had their paws in virtually everything geopolitical going on on this planet since said agencies were created.

    I don't think there's a single nation in which said agencies would not be active in one way or another, from organizing and/or feeding into social unrest, over bribery and/or extortion, all the way up to "freak accidents", assassinations and/or "suicides". As such, this interference would certainly have shaped the backdrop against which non-western governments make their geopolitical decisions, and thus, ultimately, yes, the Anglo-Saxon Empire — in which the imperial throne seems to have already long ago been moved from London to Washington D.C. — is indirectly responsible. Zbigniew Brzezinski was a master Machiavellian, but he was by far not the only Machiavellian in the service of the Empire.

    Nevertheless, concretely with regard to the ongoing Russian invasion of Ukraine, I think was the Maidan coup — which was obviously staged by the West — and the US American shoulder-rubbing with the neo-Nazi factions in Ukraine by way of John Kerry and John McCain that drove Putin over the edge.

    Likewise, there's an eerily similar thing building up in South-East Asia. Although the People's Republic of China has always maintained and still maintains that Taiwan is a province of the PRC, it has so far not invaded Taiwan just yet, and if left to its own devices, also does not appear to have any intentions to take Taiwan by military force. But enter the Anglo-Saxon Empire by way of Biden and Pelosi, and it would appear that the USA is attempting to lure China into a military invasion of Taiwan, just so the war hawks at the Pentagon would be able to once again do what they love doing the most.

    And that is of course a spiel that never gets old, because apparently no one in the western world has the mental acuity and attention span to notice how this game plan has not only been used several times before in the past — going back all the way to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in 1942 — but also how it keeps on repeating itself over and over again to the present day. Either the West is completely blind to it, or they are all in denial about it.

    A while ago, I received a panicky email from a US American friend regarding Putin and his troop movements, and how it could pour the whole of Europe into a full-scale war. When I wrote back to him that it was the West and in particular the USA that had triggered the Russian invasion of Ukraine by NATO's expansion and the US interference in internal Ukrainian politics, he simply ignored everything I had written. You see, he's a patriot — his own words — and he believes that the USA embodies the finest and greatest country on Earth. To these blind believers, the USA cannot and will not do any wrong. Everything vicious that happens at the geopolitical level is always the other nation's fault, whether it's Russia, China, North Korea, Iraq, or whatever. "They hate us because of our freedom", and other nonsense like that.
    = DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR =

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    An American patriot has been always defined by their ability and willingness to criticize, accept criticism, bird dog and maintain healthy suspicions about their government and not fail to nail it to the cross when those suspicions prove correct. Everything about our founding documents is about keeping the government in its place not the people. Not other countries. The American Revolution was fought here on American soil not in GB. That's how the American Revolution was ignited. Our ruling parties sucked. Still American historians unearth accounts that not every British Governor sucked. At the time a significant demographic of the American population were British themselves. They may have well called it the British revolution.

    American Patriots used to be brutal. The underbelly of American history where the rubber hit the road showed when you get away from the idealism and blah blah embodiment of the best on earth is that if a shopkeeper started price gouging, under the protection of some corrupt politician, a herd of angry housewives drug him from the shop and beat him in public while the men looked on. That sent a clear message to the politician in question. That was woman's work. Put that mob mentality to some good purpose. It's gotten to the point where you can't judge anything because being judgement is a moral failing of your own, not the governments. The government must be innocent because you are mean person who judged someone.

    The American government was supposed to be a servant. A slave even. Beat it when it rebels against the welfare of the nation and the people and pat it on the head when it does well. Not a popular analogy because people will scream racism in order to avoid that is how we used to keep our government in line.

    America may hold these ideals on paper in a drawer somewhere, but the actual American patriot would have pursed their lips and eyeballed the government suspiciously to find evidence of nefarious meddling after you told them that. And there are American patriots in nation. But they are severely hampered by people like you just described. In order to fix a problem, you have to first admit the problem exists.

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    Some “what if’s”:

    What if the US had never entered WW1, just, allow matters to be settled on the battlefield? It’s not that Germany was seen as “the bad guys” in those days, America was loaded to the gills with German immigrants. How about that guy with the funny mustache just goes back to his art afterwards, and WW1 remains known as “The Great War”, not “WW1” with its successor on the way.

    Another thing. Would the world still be having to deal with the Nazi thing? Do they ever even become a thing in the first place?

    What if Russia’s hand had never been forced, again, into another military intervention where “the Anglo Saxons” are busily setting brush fires. Would Ukraine still be standing at the brink of ruin?

    Cause and effect.

    There are certain consequences that should be universally recognized as provoking someone into an act of violence, just go and start bad mouthing a man’s wife for instance and see what happens if you don’t stop.

    These things are known.
    The unexamined life is not worth living.

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    The ww1 n 2 aspect i found very diffiCULT once knowing it was well organised in advance, to knowingly have humans n souls slaughtered, maimed n brain n mind damaged on purpose for their purpose, their being theys, still find it impossible that another would do this, in HIStory we find 30, 60 80 years wars etc, the creaters and affectors imo create, organise , propergandise, solutionise then write the history, just look at jan 6th, 5 killed they repeat, absolute BS but biden spouts away yesterday even though a coroners report states heart attack two days later etc etc , rant over. I made peace that my rallies n ancestors were asleep ( kept asleep ) as such, often in survival mode as such, often coerced as such. There is massive changes coming to humanity the next five years i feel. We won the now, now was won so the future is declared because that is what we desire.

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    Quote Originally posted by Octopus Garden View Post
    The fight is against multi-polarity, for sure.
    And these neocons running the show are so obsessed with the goal of making sure the world remains under the boot of a unipole power, so utterly delusional and detached from reality from buying into their own ridiculous propaganda campaigns, that they can't see it's already too late, the horse done left the barn, that new multi polar world is rapidly forming right before our very eyes. This fool's errand they're undertaking is essentially like trying to put the toothpaste back into the tube. Good luck with that. There's nothing going to change that, no more than can be done about day turning into night. If you're smart you'll just roll with it, but...

    The problem though, is how much lasting damage will they inflict in these desperate, grasping maneuvers. They're already putting on quite a show for all to witness...

    Quote Originally posted by Octopus Garden View Post
    The fascists have made major encroachments into Canada and they are all Maga and have used every collective social, health distress in their toolbox to attempt to whip up a shit storm. The Convoy, attempted overthrow of Canadian federal govt., allying with local Ottawa police department. This is totally fascist. We're a country of law and most people are f'g fed up with this. Trudeau is no monster but he sure as heck had to act with emergency measures to restore order in Ottawa.

    I disagree with that view of the trucker protests, and never caught wind that they were trying to overthrow the gubmint. The squeaky wheel gets the oil as the old saying goes, and disruption is an age old tactic to bring attention to a cause. Look no further than Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals". I don't have to agree with the cause, in order to acknowledge their right to try and make it happen. Like another old saying, something like "I may hate what you're saying, but I'll march shoulder to shoulder with you for your right to say it".

    It's of no surprise that America's (so called) left is poo pooing a group of far right House republicans trying to extract concessions from its more moderate leadership, by holding up the nomination of the new Speaker of the House. But it's working! That's good old fashioned bare knuckle politics baby. Interesting that those of the more traditional left, the Jimmy Dore/Aaron Maté types, see it more for what it really is, and are grousing why their own "squad" didn't do much the same in holding up election of their own Speaker of the House two years age, in demanding a floor vote for "Medicare For All", before allowing the new speaker to take her seat.

    Quote Originally posted by Octopus Garden View Post
    We're a country of law and most people are f'g fed up with this. Trudeau is no monster but he sure as heck had to act with emergency measures to restore order in Ottawa.
    I recognize Trudeau as one of Carlos Castaneda's infamous "Petty Tyrants". And freezing the bank accounts of protesters is not a legitimate move IMO. Imagine if it were some country that empire frowns upon who did that to shut down a protest, we'd never hear the end of new buzzword "Economic Tyranny".

    Quote Originally posted by Octopus Garden View Post
    And now Iran? Civil unrest under the rubric of women's rights? You can be all for freedom and women's rights, while still acknowledging that the U.S is using these values as a way of undermining societies through various color revolutions. It usually doesn't work out well for the citizenry.

    It's like the entire planet is embroiled in Orwellian 2 minutes of hate sessions
    Absolutely. Just as Frank recently posted:
    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    I think the real trigger for the Russian annexation of the Crimea peninsula in 2014 and the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2022 was the western invitation for Ukraine to join NATO, but it is no secret — or for those who've had their heads in the sand up until recently, it should by now already long not be any secret anymore — that the CIA and MI5/MI6 have had their paws in virtually everything geopolitical going on on this planet since said agencies were created.

    I don't think there's a single nation in which said agencies would not be active in one way or another, from organizing and/or feeding into social unrest, over bribery and/or extortion, all the way up to "freak accidents", assassinations and/or "suicides". As such, this interference would certainly have shaped the backdrop against which non-western governments make their geopolitical decisions, and thus, ultimately, yes, the Anglo-Saxon Empire — in which the imperial throne seems to have already long ago been moved from London to Washington D.C. — is indirectly responsible. Zbigniew Brzezinski was a master Machiavellian, but he was by far not the only Machiavellian in the service of the Empire.



    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Nevertheless, concretely with regard to the ongoing Russian invasion of Ukraine, I think was the Maidan coup — which was obviously staged by the West — and the US American shoulder-rubbing with the neo-Nazi factions in Ukraine by way of John Kerry and John McCain that drove Putin over the edge.
    Well yes. If someone's coming for you, and you never lift a finger to stop them, then they're going to follow through and get you. It would be pretty dumb to just stand there and let that happen, wouldn't it?


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    Likewise, there's an eerily similar thing building up in South-East Asia. Although the People's Republic of China has always maintained and still maintains that Taiwan is a province of the PRC, it has so far not invaded Taiwan just yet, and if left to its own devices, also does not appear to have any intentions to take Taiwan by military force.
    It is eerily similar, Taiwan is the next Ukraine. I don't think China has any big plans of getting Taiwan back into the fold by force either, they're ancient history shows in the way they play the long game, the use of force IMO would be they're last card to play.

    And empire may well force them into doing just that. By this point, it should be an open secret what's really going on here.


    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    And that is of course a spiel that never gets old, because apparently no one in the western world has the mental acuity and attention span to notice how this game plan has not only been used several times before in the past — going back all the way to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in 1942 — but also how it keeps on repeating itself over and over again to the present day. Either the West is completely blind to it, or they are all in denial about it.
    Well, if there ever was a time for Joe Six Pack to start seeing through "The Narrative", this is that time as that narrative is running on pure desperation as fuel. LOL, I'm waiting to hear some little kid in the crowd say "look mommy and daddy, the emperor doesn't have any clothes on!"


    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    A while ago, I received a panicky email from a US American friend regarding Putin and his troop movements, and how it could pour the whole of Europe into a full-scale war. When I wrote back to him that it was the West and in particular the USA that had triggered the Russian invasion of Ukraine by NATO's expansion and the US interference in internal Ukrainian politics, he simply ignored everything I had written. You see, he's a patriot — his own words — and he believes that the USA embodies the finest and greatest country on Earth. To these blind believers, the USA cannot and will not do any wrong. Everything vicious that happens at the geopolitical level is always the other nation's fault, whether it's Russia, China, North Korea, Iraq, or whatever. "They hate us because of our freedom", and other nonsense like that.
    Yep, and having once been that guy myself, I understand the place he's coming from quite well. That's also why I'm patient with them, they're usually good people and mean well, they're just operating from the Holy Scriptures of Narrative. There's absolutely nothing you can say to a true, red white and blue patriot. The more you try, the more upset they're going to get along with the very real possibility of losing a friend or loved one.

    I've got a close family member who's like that. I know what he thinks, he knows what I think, and it seldom comes up any more because we both know it won't go well. I don't get upset, but he does. Very quickly, guaranteed every time.

    I think DB said it very well here:

    Quote Originally posted by Diabolical Boids View Post
    An American patriot has been always defined by their ability and willingness to criticize, accept criticism, bird dog and maintain healthy suspicions about their government and not fail to nail it to the cross when those suspicions prove correct. Everything about our founding documents is about keeping the government in its place not the people. Not other countries. The American Revolution was fought here on American soil not in GB. That's how the American Revolution was ignited. Our ruling parties sucked. Still American historians unearth accounts that not every British Governor sucked. At the time a significant demographic of the American population were British themselves. They may have well called it the British revolution.

    American Patriots used to be brutal. The underbelly of American history where the rubber hit the road showed when you get away from the idealism and blah blah embodiment of the best on earth is that if a shopkeeper started price gouging, under the protection of some corrupt politician, a herd of angry housewives drug him from the shop and beat him in public while the men looked on. That sent a clear message to the politician in question. That was woman's work. Put that mob mentality to some good purpose. It's gotten to the point where you can't judge anything because being judgement is a moral failing of your own, not the governments. The government must be innocent because you are mean person who judged someone.

    The American government was supposed to be a servant. A slave even. Beat it when it rebels against the welfare of the nation and the people and pat it on the head when it does well. Not a popular analogy because people will scream racism in order to avoid that is how we used to keep our government in line.

    America may hold these ideals on paper in a drawer somewhere, but the actual American patriot would have pursed their lips and eyeballed the government suspiciously to find evidence of nefarious meddling after you told them that. And there are American patriots in nation. But they are severely hampered by people like you just described. In order to fix a problem, you have to first admit the problem exists.
    The unexamined life is not worth living.

    Socrates

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    Priming The Next Pump

    US general warns of potential war with China: ‘My gut tells me we will fight in 2025’

    A four-star US Air Force general has said that Washington is expecting a potential war with China in 2025 and asked his commanders to prepare for battle by aiming “for the head”.

    General Mike Minihan, the head of the Air Mobility Command, said the US’s main goal should be to deter “and, if required, defeat” China, in a shocking internal memorandum signed off by him and confirmed to be genuine by the Pentagon.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...354463f5b83e02



    Needless to say no reason was ever given.

    And this one does the old trick of putting the outrageous as the headline, put in a bunch of filler, and then zip in something more based in reality at the end, which most readers never make it to.

    The remarks, however, were written off by the Department of Defence, saying they do not reflect the department’s view on China.

    This was further backed by its press secretary, Brig Gen Patrick Ryder, who said the National Defence Strategy “makes clear that China is the pacing challenge for the department of defence and our focus remains on working alongside allies and partners to preserve a peaceful, free and open Indo-Pacific”.

    According to an AMC spokesperson confirming the development on Friday, the memo comes from his directions to subordinate command teams.

    “His order builds on last year’s foundational efforts by Air Mobility Command to ready the Mobility Air Forces for future conflict, should deterrence fail,” the spokesperson said, according to NBC.
    Even here, in the cleaned up official version, when it all boils down that official statement still leads to war.



    In other propaganda new, if anyone's looking for some of the gaudiest out there, this bud's for you. This channel is some kind of special, nice and old school, and my goodness do these videos cry out to be done in black and white Yesterdays Newsreel style.

    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87LwAHoZnc4


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    Sites like YouTube allowing for independent journalism like this is great
    I wonder how often sites like this are Central Intelligence related? Cos that's almost beyond the pale for even IQ 86ers...
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    Well now, "the escalation escalator" (thank you Alexander Mercouris for the term), certainly includes the steady ramping up of propaganda and history revisionism as well as military.

    Bizarro World continues to get ever more bizarre:

    Putin vs the West review: World leaders seem rightly shamefaced about how they got taken for a ride by the Russian president

    Putin vs the West is the latest series from the legendary Norma Percy, and the three-parter contains everything you’d expect from the veteran documentarian – the right blend of revelation, anecdote, history, drama, forensic analysis and storytelling. It’s Putin, the Ukraine war and how the West fouled up, all made comprehensible. It’s brilliant, and you have to watch it to understand how we got to where we are now

    It is in fact so brilliant that you find yourself in the unexpected position of being almost on the edge of your seat listening to the testimony from the half-forgotten dullards – such as former French president Francois Hollande; ex President of the European Commission, Jose Manuel Barroso; Cathy Ashton, once a sort of surrogate EU foreign minister; and various other former apparatchiks, advisors, politicians and ambassadors – who have had the usually bruising experience of dealing first hand with Vladimir Putin over the years.

    In the hands of the programme makers, stock archive footage of ministerial comings and goings at EU summits and conferences in Brussels and Minsk take on the quality of a tense thriller, as they are interspersed by revelations about what was going on behind the scenes. Episode one deals with the events that led up to the first Russian invasion of 2014, when they took Crimea and the eastern Donbas region, with minimal Western resistance and punishment, and maximum Western disunity and disarray. The Russians bluffed and fibbed their way to victory. When Putin turns up at a big conference and the Ukrainians confront him with hard evidence that they’ve captured scores of Russian soldiers on their territory, such as ID tags and official orders, Putin comes up with a series of Pythonesque excuses: the Ukrainians are making it up; the Russians were “on holiday”; or they “lost their way” along the border.

    On another occasion, when Putin denies unmarked Russian forces have infiltrated and occupied eastern Ukraine, Merkel tells him not to be so silly, according to a witness. However, she still won’t push the Russians too far, for fear of escalation and loss of gas supplies. The EU was utterly divided, as was NATO. Elsewhere, Barack Obama seemingly deliberately calls Russia a “regional power”, something that was particularly offensive to Putin – and hardened his attitudes. Obama talked tough on sanctions, but, like Germany, the Americans then were simply not going to send military assistance and risk a war. This is something we learn from Obama’s close advisers at the time. Merkel and Obama didn’t give an interview for the series, which is understandable because they come out of it quite badly.

    They got bamboozled by Putin. “Deny and lie” was and is the standard Russian approach, and the only Western leader who seems able to cope with it is Boris Johnson. Funny, that. To his credit, he took no notice of Putin’s jolly threat to target him with a cruise missile.

    Cameron, Hollande, Barroso and the rest of the gullible talking heads are mostly filmed in front of impressively full bookcases or inside what look like ornately furnished palaces. Juxtaposed with bombed-out Ukrainian schools or tanks rolling down Crimean roads, this makes them look rather detached from the bloody reality they allowed to happen.

    They at least seem rightly shamefaced about how they got taken for a ride. Somehow, they apparently only believed what was politically convenient, and never took Putin at his word when he went off on one about how he wanted to take back control of Ukraine. Barroso, for example, tells how he listened, open-mouthed, as Putin told him that Ukraine was a creation of the CIA and the European Commission. He acknowledges that European divisions encouraged Putin to push and push.

    Hollande almost, but not quite, comes to an apology: “Europe is still facing this threat of its unity. When we do not punish hard enough at first, we are forced to punish more severely later. And that’s what’s happening today.” There’s no dispute about that. We can only hope that it’s not too late, and that the next Norma Percy series isn’t titled “How Putin Beat the West”.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...23264bcdae5ab2

    And, it's spooky how well it still works, even at this late hour.

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    Bad movie scripts trying to overwrite reality.

    Beyond Bizarro World.
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    Quote Originally posted by modwiz View Post
    Bad movie scripts trying to overwrite reality.

    Beyond Bizarro World.
    That's an excellent way to put it Rad, "overwriting reality".

    As in "we don't like the leaves turning color and falling to the ground here in October it's not part of the plan, so we're gonna pick up as many as we can, paint them green again, and glue them back onto the trees. That will solve it".

    You know, I don't listen to David Icke any more, but one thing he said always stood out in that one day the rot in the system will have no choice but to rear its ugly head, and show itself for all to see. Well, I think it's showing itself loud and clear as it's busy recruiting people to help glue those freshly painted leaves back onto the trees.

    Maybe not all that many here in the West are "seeing" it (we're too deep in the psychosis along with them), but to the rest of the world? I think it's game on brother. Show and tell time boys and girls.

    Watch the people on the street slowly back away from the crazy man on the corner, finding an alternate route to their destinations...
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