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    What a steaming hot pile of shit - As usual

    Translation:

    The US Deep State is scared shitless that because of its long held dominance over the Caribbean and Latin America, its "Backyard" via the Monroe Doctrine, because it sees the decades upon decades of raping their resources and keeping them weak is rapidly coming to an end.

    This is all a word salad like everything else they say around the world that people are supposed to believe, when actually there's no intent to do any of it; but it's vital to buy time to figure out how to save its Rules Based International Order by regaining control over China, Russia, the Middle East, Africa and elsewhere, as BRICS rises and the other 6 billion people on this planet are rejecting this long hated World Order en masse.

    So you dirty little brown and black people down there pay good attention to Big Daddy here, because Daddy has some trinkets, bright shing objects, and loans you'll never be able to pay back coming your way soon.

    Now be good little boys and girls, and don't listen to the big bad beady eyed wolf over there who only wants to trick you into being able to invest in your infrastructure, and become equal trading partners so that everybody prospers. That would be a waste of all our time and effort now, wouldn't it?



    China is rapidly expanding its influence in our backyard and US must act now

    The United States has more significant ties to Latin America and the Caribbean than any other region.

    We share languages, values, cultures, and economic interests in a rapidly changing world. The Western Hemisphere has over a billion people and an economy worth over $37 trillion. We grow enough food and produce enough critical minerals to sustain every country in the Western Hemisphere. Our region, the "Americas," has the potential for exponential growth—but tapping that potential requires a new approach.

    U.S. policymakers have always treated our hemisphere as an afterthought. This neglect has led to incoherent and inconsistent U.S. policies. We cannot afford to ignore the Western Hemisphere any longer. China has taken notice and used our absence to expand its influence and fuel instability in the region. This political instability, coupled with economic insecurity, is a primary driver of migration to the United States.

    Our Americas Act would usher in real change across the hemisphere. It creates an Americas Partnership to expand U.S. trade and markets in Latin America and the Caribbean. At the same time, it counters the uneven playing field China has built using forced labor, deceptive trade practices, and manipulation of critical supply chains.

    The Americas Partnership would unify Western Hemisphere democracies in combatting corruption, strengthen democracy and the rule of law, harmonize standards, reduce barriers to foreign direct investment, and promote real private sector large-scale infrastructure investments. Additionally, the Americas Act offers tax incentives for companies in strategic industries to bring critical supply chains back from China. To improve the existing, successful financing systems in place, the Americas Act creates a Build Americas Unit within the Development Finance Corporation, an investment bank tailored to enhance the hemisphere’s critical investment needs.

    The four of us represent different regions across the United States. But we all know that the United States must help develop our hemisphere for more substantial and lasting cooperation with free democracies in Latin America and the Caribbean. This increases stability and reduces the influence of gangs, crime, and the dangerous inner workings of the global underworld. For every dollar we trade within our hemisphere, we grow more prosperous and create lasting jobs in the U.S. and throughout the hemisphere. In the process, we counter China.

    The Americas Act establishes a special U.S. Customs and Border Protection enforcement unit to exclude Uyghur forced labor from shared supply chains and creates a program to facilitate Latin America’s energy transition and security.

    The Americas Act will also improve already-strong people-to-people connections by expanding scholarship programs, creating a new American University of the Americas in the region, funding English language education, and establishing a new CARE visa, among other activities that will help stitch our countries together.

    Perhaps most important, our program is fully paid for. It will cost only as much money as it brings in by closing a trade loophole that the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) exploits to bring in 6 billion packages without paying duties and taxes. Known as "de minimis," it’s the most egregious trillion-dollar free trade agreement with China that has gone under the radar for far too long.

    The Americas Act is anchored by Western Hemisphere countries’ shared commitment to freedom, democracy, and opportunity. It will be the cornerstone upon which we build a stronger hemisphere.
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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    What a steaming hot pile of shit - As usual
    But what's so shocking is that the vast majority of the people will buy it, hook, line and sinker.

    Even our very Woke™ state-sponsored news media over here, VRT NWS, is now referring to the genocide in Gaza as "genocide", with the double quotes. Because, you know, Uncle Sam says that it isn't a genocide, and so it isn't one. And Israel is allowed to partake in the Eurovision Song Contest — in which VRT is a cooperative partner — because "it's not a political organization." Like hell it isn't — it has never been anything but a political affair...
    = DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR =

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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    But what's so shocking is that the vast majority of the people will buy it, hook, line and sinker.

    Even our very Woke™ state-sponsored news media over here, VRT NWS, is now referring to the genocide in Gaza as "genocide", with the double quotes. Because, you know, Uncle Sam says that it isn't a genocide, and so it isn't one. And Israel is allowed to partake in the Eurovision Song Contest — in which VRT is a cooperative partner — because "it's not a political organization." Like hell it isn't — it has never been anything but a political affair...
    However, it only works (but less so now) for people here in the West who are so deeply propagandized they believe they have fair/free media, and that it's only the rest of the world that suffers from State run media.

    “The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ...We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. ...In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons...who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.”

    ― Edward Bernays, Propaganda (1928)
    https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/203...zed-habits-and



    As you know, much of the other 6,000,000,000 outside the West have seen this shit for what it really is for a long time, just until very recently they've been powerless to do anything about it.

    Things are changing.
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    Here comes the next propaganda blitzkrieg to get folks amped up for world war on multiple fronts. Say it with me now: China Bad - Must Be Stopped - Long Live The Rules Based International Order!

    China is gradually amping up its military aggression in a 'boiling frog' strategy, US Indo-Pacific commander says

    US Adm. John Aquilino said China is gradually getting bolder and acting more dangerously.

    In an interview with FT, the INDOPACOM chief described the strategy as a 'boiling frog' tactic.

    As he's set to retire, Aquilino urged China's neighbors to be vocal about Beijing's aggression.

    The US Indo-Pacific Command's outgoing chief said China has been turning up the heat on its neighbors with progressively bolder military actions in a pattern designed to catch them off guard.

    Adm. John Aquilino described Beijing's strategy to the Financial Times as a "boiling frog" tactic, or to gradually step up aggression so that other nations don't immediately realize when a critical point in conflict is reached.

    In an interview published on Sunday, he told the FT that these nations must speak up and call out aggressive behavior from Beijing."There needs to be a continual description of China's bad behavior that is outside legal international norms. And that story has to be told by all the nations in the region," he said.

    Aquilino, who led US forces in the Indo-Pacific for three years, cited two major conflict points involving China — Taiwan and the Second Thomas Shoal.

    Beijing has continually been posturing more aggressively toward Taiwan, which it claims as its territory.

    Chinese leaders are shifting to more war-like rhetoric against the self-governed island, and regularly send dozens of fighter jets at a time across the median line of the Taiwan Strait. Balloons that Taiwan says are from China also often pass over the island's airspace.

    While not seen as an outright act of war, the incursions are typically described as "grey-zone" warfare that forces a response from Taiwanese defenses and keeps its people on edge.

    "This is the pressure campaign in action. I've watched it increase in scope and scale, it is not slowing down," Aquilino told the FT.

    He said China has taken conflict one step further against the Philippines at the Second Thomas Shoal, a reef in the Spratly Islands of the South China Sea.

    The islands are internationally recognized as under the Philippines' jurisdiction, but China has in recent years sought to enforce its own claim on them — coalescing into a key point of tension between both nations.

    Since 2021, Chinese Coast Guard vessels were reported to have used water cannons on Philippine ships resupplying forces at the shoal. And in October 2023, a Chinese vessel rammed into a Philippine Coast Guard ship, widely seen as an escalation.

    "Philippine coastguardsmen and service members have been injured. That's a step up the ladder beyond a pressure campaign," Aquilino said.

    The admiral is set to retire after he hands leadership of the Indo-Pacific Command to Adm. Samuel Paparo next month. During his tenure overseeing the region, Aquilino repeatedly warned of China as a primary growing danger to its neighbors.

    Paparo, on his part, has also named China as one of the most pressing threats to US military interests in the region.

    Beijing has been sharply increasing its military spending, pumping $230 billion into its defense budget in 2022, per a 2023 Pentagon report. While the US defense budget was nearly four times as large as China's that year, military observers say a one-to-one comparison can be misleading because Chinese spending typically stretches further due to lower labor and manufacturing costs.

    The Chinese Embassy in Washington did not immediately respond to a request for comment sent outside regular business hours by Business Insider.
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    Now this is quite the coincidence, because these just happen to be the some of the same governments that the US longs to make look evil, and ultimately bring down.

    Maybe that water in Flint, Michigan is still bad because of these "bad actors" as well? What else could the reason possibly be?
    America’s drinking water is facing attack, with links back to China, Russia and Iran
    https://www.cnbc.com/2024/06/26/amer...-and-iran.html
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    Yes very interesting, as their long game is screwed as such, spose many mechanisyms keep rolling.

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    So "Cause and Effect", in other words the effect propaganda has on the end user, is that they walk away thinking they know things that they really don't. It's not meant for those who are diligent in doing their own research on the story regardless, because they'll wind up finding out better on their own anyway, it's intended for those who have already made up their minds about some overall situation, and the story re-enforce it. That's what it's all about, constant re-enforcement, like a drum beat.


    Here's another good case in point:
    North Korean Troops Face Heavy Losses in Clashes with Ukraine, U.S. Confirms

    A senior U.S. official confirmed clashes between Ukrainian and North Korean troops, resulting in significant North Korean casualties, according to The New York Times. While the exact timing of the engagements remains unclear, the U.S. official stated that “a significant number” of North Korean soldiers were killed in action.

    A high-ranking Ukrainian official declined to provide specific casualty figures for the North Korean forces but described the clashes as limited in scope, suggesting they were likely probing attacks to assess vulnerabilities along the front lines. Ukrainian intelligence has identified that North Korean troops are operating alongside Russia’s 810th Naval Infantry Brigade, reportedly divided into assault and support units, with the latter tasked with fortifying defensive positions in areas recaptured from Ukrainian control. Ukrainian officials speculate that the remaining North Korean troops, which have not yet seen combat, may join active combat operations soon.

    Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy acknowledged the North Korean troop involvement during a video address and urged international support. In a separate interview with KBS, Ukrainian Defense Minister Rustem Umerov stated that although the engagement was small, Ukrainian forces are planning to deploy more troops in the coming weeks once training is completed.

    Intelligence from the U.S., Ukrainian, and South Korea estimates that approximately 10,000 North Korean troops have been moved to Kursk in western Russia, a key battleground in the ongoing conflict. Kursk has been a focus of Ukrainian military efforts since August, as they shifted their strategy towards territorial defense and limited counteroffensives.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...569e3f864&ei=5

    Nowhere in this ridiculous piece does it share a shred of evidence, for anything, but it doesn't matter because most end users are already in agreement anyway, and simply on the lookout for even more reasons to be in agreement.



    A senior U.S. official confirmed clashes between Ukrainian and North Korean troops, resulting in significant North Korean casualties, according to The New York Times. While the exact timing of the engagements remains unclear, the U.S. official stated that “a significant number” of North Korean soldiers were killed in action.
    An unnamed "senior U.S. official" confirms this. But it starts straight off with news we're looking to hear, that "the good guys" beat up on "the bad guys", so we don't care if he's named or not it must be true.



    A high-ranking Ukrainian official declined to provide specific casualty figures for the North Korean forces but described the clashes as limited in scope, suggesting they were likely probing attacks to assess vulnerabilities along the front lines.
    Another unnamed official, also speaking for "the good guys", starts off story time by declining to be specific.



    Ukrainian intelligence has identified that North Korean troops are operating alongside Russia’s 810th Naval Infantry Brigade, reportedly divided into assault and support units, with the latter tasked with fortifying defensive positions in areas recaptured from Ukrainian control.
    Well we know we can always trust people in intelligence, especially when they're working for "the good guys". And this first part of our story has "reportedly" occurred so there's our confirmation.




    Ukrainian officials speculate that the remaining North Korean troops, which have not yet seen combat, may join active combat operations soon.
    More unnamed officials from "the good guys", are speculating about something that may not have happened yet, but still may happen.



    Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy acknowledged the North Korean troop involvement during a video address and urged international support.
    Finally, a named official, and we know of course he's a straight shooter straight down the line, because he's with "the good guys". If he acknowledges something that's good enough for me.



    Intelligence from the U.S., Ukrainian, and South Korea estimates that approximately 10,000 North Korean troops have been moved to Kursk in western Russia, a key battleground in the ongoing conflict.
    And our last bit of confirmation. Straight shooting intelligence officials from three of the major "good guys" countries, are still estimating on something that has yet to be confirmed.



    So the point of this? Most people don't ask many questions, and most people only talk about things like this with others that are already agreement based on the same type of material, and they confirm the information based on agreement with each other.


    So it's understandable when someone asks "how do you know this is true", can you show me something verifiable beyond hearsay", that it's difficult to actually give much of an answer. What can you say beyond something like "well Zelensky said so"...



    It's the same thing as posting Kerry Cassidy material, just in a different realm.
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    It's really becoming obvious how language is being used repetitively, over, and over, and over again. I mean this has of course always been a tactic, but it's getting laid on thicker and heavier as we go, and rapidly.

    I first noticed once the college protests were over at summer break, the masters of illusion had a chance to catch their breath, and figure out how to shut that shit down going forward. And these couple of Tweets are stark examples of language being used. Of course the Mockingbird media is doing their part in parroting, disappearing, and vilifying certain words, phrases, actions and ideas.



    - Protest is becoming "insurrection".

    - Being pro Palestinian/anti genocide is now becoming Hamas loving.

    - Ad in criticizing Israel, and Anti Semite/Jew hate is being substituted for all three of these examples.



    The party leaving power is doing it, the party coming into power is doing it, almost like it's really just "The Party". If it continues at this pace, unabated, the trajectory truly is threatening the following direction. And you know what the real shit of it is? A whole hell of a lot of us would wind up policing each other for the common good.

    We truly live in interesting times.

    “Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”
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    Caitlyn Johnstone at her finest. This woman is a true modern day warrior, eyes wide open:
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    The western narrative machine doing what it does, ever seeking to win hearts and minds for the cause of regime change.

    This kind of puppetry cast onto the walls of Plato's Cave will still win over the vast majority of westerners, but not so many as in other recent attempts:




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    So what are the problems in Georgia? What has Putin done to one of his neighbors, THIS time?

    Well according to the west, and of course that's the only opinion that matters, a certain "Russian inspired" law seeks to tear down democracy, and stifle free speech. What is this controversial law?

    It's called “On the Transparency of Foreign Influence", or the "Foreign Agent" law:



    March 7, 2023
    Georgia: ‘Foreign Agents’ Bill Tramples on Rights
    Reject Measure Restricting Freedom of Expression and Association

    ...

    (Berlin) – Georgia’s parliament should firmly reject the two bills it is debating that would require individuals, civil society organizations, and media outlets to register with the Justice Ministry as “agents of foreign influence” if they receive at least 20 percent of their funds from abroad, Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International said today. If adopted, the bills would also impose additional onerous reporting requirements, inspections, and administrative and criminal liability, including up to five years in prison for violations.

    These bills are incompatible with international human rights law and standards that protect the rights to freedom of expression and association.

    “The ‘foreign agent’ bills seek to marginalize and discredit independent, foreign-funded groups and media that serve the wider public interest in Georgia,” said Hugh Williamson, Europe and Central Asia director at Human Rights Watch. “They clearly aim to restrict critical groups and crucial media, violate Georgia’s international obligations, and would have a serious chilling effect on groups and individuals working to protect human rights, democracy, and the rule of law.”

    ...
    https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/03/07/...s?gad_source=1




    April 18, 2024
    Georgia presses on with Putin-style ‘foreign agent’ bill despite huge protests

    ...

    The law, called “On the Transparency of Foreign Influence,” has been likened by opponents to a measure introduced by President Vladimir Putin to stifle criticism in Russia. It would require organizations in the South Caucasus country receiving more than 20% of their funding from overseas to register as “foreign agents” or face large fines.

    “It is a Russian law. It is an exact duplicate of the Putin law that was adopted a few years ago and then complemented in order to crush civil society,” Salome Zourabichvili, Georgia’s president and a longstanding opponent of Georgian Dream, told CNN.

    ...
    https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/18/europ...ntl/index.html







    Only problem being, the US has had a very similar (Putin Style) law on the books since 1938:


    Foreign Agents Registration Act

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    The Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) was enacted in 1938. FARA requires certain agents of foreign principals who are engaged in political activities or other activities specified under the statute to make periodic public disclosure of their relationship with the foreign principal, as well as activities, receipts and disbursements in support of those activities. Disclosure of the required information facilitates evaluation by the government and the American people of the activities of such persons in light of their function as foreign agents. The FARA Unit of the Counterintelligence and Export Control Section (CES) in the National Security Division (NSD) is responsible for the administration and enforcement of FARA.
    https://www.justice.gov/nsd-fara
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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    So what are the problems in Georgia? What has Putin done to one of his neighbors, THIS time?

    Well according to the west, and of course that's the only opinion that matters, a certain "Russian inspired" law seeks to tear down democracy, and stifle free speech. What is this controversial law?

    It's called “On the Transparency of Foreign Influence", or the "Foreign Agent" law:



    March 7, 2023

    https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/03/07/...s?gad_source=1




    April 18, 2024

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/18/europ...ntl/index.html







    Only problem being, the US has had a very similar (Putin Style) law on the books since 1938:



    https://www.justice.gov/nsd-fara
    The hypocrisy is mind-numbing. All subsequent FARA type legislation is modeled on the USA law. Since Russia followed the USA some years ago, Western truth-twisters now call Georgia's desire to enact a FARA-type law as using a Russian model.

    Georgia does not even have diplomatic relations with Russia.

    The Georgia narrative is hog feed.
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    Quote Originally posted by modwiz View Post
    The hypocrisy is mind-numbing. All subsequent FARA type legislation is modeled on the USA law. Since Russia followed the USA some years ago, Western truth-twisters now call Georgia's desire to enact a FARA-type law as using a Russian model.

    Georgia does not even have diplomatic relations with Russia.

    The Georgia narrative is hog feed.
    It is mind numbing, that description works well. And what was just presented is only a taste of the bigger picture going on there. All the government of Georgia is/was trying to do with that legislation was pull back on the reigns of western NGO's like USAID and the National Endowment for Democracy legally sewing dissent, and mischaracterizing what legislation such as that really meant. Any and every attempt to slow down NATO encroachment and attempted encirclement, is by definition bad.


    So anyway, the bigger picture is the west looking to expand on these attempts to sew dissent for yet another color revolution, the first being in 2003.

    And here we have it on a steady drip feed 24/7: The Russian "invasion" of a sovereign country, Georgia.

    Not so fast. If you look at a map of the region, a curious mind might wonder why just these two places, and no place else? I mean isn't this what Russia does, steamroll right through country after country on it's way to eventually be landing on America's east coast to take them out too?

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    Why did they stop cold? Because those two regions, South Ossetia and Abkhazia (both heavily Russian people), had been in dispute since the end of the Cold War, and were already legally manned by Russian peacekeepers. In 2008 Georgia, after being heavily armed by you guessed it, the US and NATO, moved in to try and grab these two regions in one fell swoop. It failed, Russia moved in to secure them into the fold once and for all, and that was that.

    So it's just utter horseshit this hysterical shrieking we keep hearing about Russia always on the march, always invading its neighbors, always looking to gobble up land and restore the Soviet Union.



    Plenty of material to look this up, this is just a starter kit.


    Introduction

    On the night of 7 to 8 August 2008, after an extended period of ever-mounting tensions and incidents, heavy fighting erupted in and around the town of Tskhinvali in South Ossetia. The fighting, which soon extended to other parts of Georgia, lasted for five days. In many places throughout the country it caused serious destruction, reaching levels of utter devastation in a number of towns and villages. Human losses were substantial. At the end, the Georgian side claimed losses of 170 servicemen, 14 policemen and 228 civilians killed and 1 747 persons wounded. The Russian side claimed losses of 67 servicemen killed and 283 wounded. The South Ossetians spoke of 365 persons killed, which probably included both servicemen and civilians. Altogether about 850 persons lost their lives, not to mention those who were wounded, who went missing, or the far more than 100 000 civilians who fled their homes. Around 35 000 still have not been able to return to their homes. The fighting did not end the political conflict nor were any of the issues that lay beneath it resolved. Tensions still continue. The political situation after the end of fighting turned out to be no easier and in some respects even more difficult than before.
    […]

    The Conflict in Georgia in August 2008
    […]

    On the night of 7 to 8 August 2008, a sustained Georgian artillery attack struck the town of Tskhinvali. Other movements of the Georgian armed forces targeting Tskhinvali and the surrounding areas were under way, and soon the fighting involved Russian, South Ossetian and Abkhaz military units and armed elements. It did not take long, however, before the Georgian advance into South Ossetia was stopped. In a counter-movement, Russian armed forces, covered by air strikes and by elements of its Black Sea fleet, penetrated deep into Georgia […]. The confrontation developed into a combined inter-state and intra-state conflict, opposing Georgian and Russian forces at one level of confrontation as well as South Ossetians together with Abkhaz fighters and the Georgians at another. […] After five days of fighting, a ceasefire agreement was negotiated on 12 August 2008 between Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili and French President Nicolas Sarkozy, the latter acting on behalf of the European Union. An implementation agreement followed on 8 September 2008, again largely due to the persistent efforts of the French President. […]

    […] [T]he conflict has deep roots in the history of the region […].
    […] [On] 9 April 1991, […] Georgian independence emerged out of a severe crisis, [following] the downfall of […] [the Soviet Union]. […] There was one important legacy from the Soviet era, though: the subdivision of Georgia into three political-territorial entities, including the Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia and the Autonomous Oblast’ (district) of South Ossetia. Of course there also remained overall Georgia with its capital city Tbilisi, within its internationally recognised borders coinciding with the former “Soviet Socialist Republic of Georgia” […]. During the period of transition to post-Soviet sovereignty the country’s first President, Zviad Gamsakhurdia, then did a lot in terms of nationalism to alienate the two smaller political-territorial entities of Abkhazia and South Ossetia from the Georgian independence project […]. The fighting that finally broke out between Georgian forces and separatist forces, first in South Ossetia in 1991-1992 and then in Abkhazia 1992-1994 ended with Georgia losing control of large parts of both territories. There was support from Russia for the insurrectionists, yet it seems that the Russian political elite and power structures were divided on the issue and partly involved, and Moscow remained on uneasy terms with Tbilisi at the same time.
    […] Russian forces undertook peacekeeping responsibilities both in South Ossetia and later in Abkhazia. An agreement concluded in June 1992 in Sochi between the two leaders Eduard Shevardnadze and Boris Yeltsin established the Joint Peacekeeping Forces (JPKF) for South Ossetia, consisting of one battalion of up to 500 servicemen each of the Russian, Georgian and Ossetian sides, to be commanded by a Russian officer. […]
    At the turn of the millennium it became apparent that the unresolved political status of South Ossetia and Abkhazia had become more difficult to manage and that there was no clear-cut solution in sight. […]
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    It is important to recall the 2008 "war" between Georgia and Russia because there is still a deep resentment with Georgians over this.

    Needless to say, although there is common sense, mutually beneficial, trade between the two countries, there are no warm a fuzzy feelings between them

    Georgia being a Russian puppet is 100% bullshit.

    A narrative for the intellectually impoverished or low information news consumers. The latter are Legion.

    In closing this post it is worth noting that Georgian police and security forces are claiming that 30% of the protesters they arrest are not Georgian people.

    Rent-a Mob, paid for by outlets like USAid and NED. The trouble makers that the Georgian "FARA" law seeks to control.
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    Quote Originally posted by modwiz View Post
    It is important to recall the 2008 "war" between Georgia and Russia because there is still a deep resentment with Georgians over this.

    Needless to say, although there is common sense, mutually beneficial, trade between the two countries, there are no warm a fuzzy feelings between them
    Well there's that particular year again - 2008, it just seems to keep popping up here and there. And why is that?

    NATO welcomes Georgia's and Ukraine's aspirations for membership

    At the Bucharest Summit, NATO Allies welcomed Ukraine's and Georgia's Euro-Atlantic aspirations for membership and agreed that these countries will become members of NATO.

    They also agreed that both nations have made valuable contributions to Alliance operations and welcomed democratic reforms in Ukraine and Georgia.

    The Membership Action Plan (MAP) is the next step for the two countries on their direct way to membership.

    Allies made clear that they support Georgia's and Ukraine's applications for MAP. Allies also said NATO will now begin a period of intensive engagement with both countries at high political level to address the questions still outstanding regarding their MAP applications. NATO Foreign Ministers were asked to make a first assessment of progress at their December 2008 meeting.
    https://www.nato.int/docu/update/200...il/e0403h.html




    Quote Originally posted by modwiz View Post
    Georgia being a Russian puppet is 100% bullshit.

    A narrative for the intellectually impoverished or low information news consumers. The latter are Legion.
    That's why I created this thread, to point out how contaminated most of our information sources are with pure, unadulterated, propaganda. The cloud of it is so thick, so all pervasive, it's like a fish in water.

    It turns us into a bit like Agent Smith from The Matrix. Unless we're aware of it at all times, keeping our heads above it like treading water, our inner Agent Smith will always emerge to support the narrative when required. Requires zero effort, and even less thoughtfulness. But it's also by far, the path of least resistance.




    Quote Originally posted by modwiz View Post
    In closing this post it is worth noting that Georgian police and security forces are claiming that 30% of the protesters they arrest are not Georgian people.

    Rent-a Mob, paid for by outlets like USAid and NED. The trouble makers that the Georgian "FARA" law seeks to control.
    Rent-a-mobs? From what I know about these NGO's (while freely admitting that there's so much more for me to learn about this) there's little need to rent, they summon all the little Agent Smiths they've been cultivating over time through various cover organizations. Like fresh from the incubator, "go do what you've been created to do".



    Addendum:

    As usual, I'm always open to having my mind changed, about any of this. This shit runs real deep, and it's more complex than I ever imagined...
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