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    So what's the difference between this brutal dictator who doesn't have to go?

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    And this brutal dictator who did?

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    That would be these guys, the Jake Tappers of the world tell us which is which. Three guesses who tells them which is which?

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    Along those same lines. What is Ukraine's famed "Azov Battalion"?

    This is who they were in 2018 according to "The Guardian":

    Neo-Nazi groups involved in the fighting in Ukraine are actively seeking to recruit British far-right activists, a leading anti-fascist watchdog has warned.

    At least two Britons are thought to have travelled to the war-torn eastern European country in recent months after encouragement by people linked to the Azov battalion, a notorious Ukrainian fascist militia, according to Hope Not Hate.

    The warning comes only four days after the outgoing head of UK counter-terrorism policing, Mark Rowley, revealed that four far-right terror plots had been foiled in 2017 and extreme right groups were seeking to build international networks.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ght-in-ukraine





    And who they are presently, according to "The Guardian". (Quite the rehabilitation)

    In Ukraine, where the Azov fighters have become national heroes, news of the swap was met with delight.

    “We are extremely proud of what our heroes have done. We are so proud of each of you,” the Ukrainian MP Kira Rudik tweeted.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...zelenskiy-says
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    Very exciting to watch people awakening to mainstream corpserat media atm

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    Quote Originally posted by Aianawa View Post
    Very exciting to watch people awakening to mainstream corpserat media atm
    But are they? It's only a small minority that notices these things. The vast majority of the people have the attention span of a gnat and are still buying into the western narrative. Nobody notices the elephant in the room.
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    I remember being sat down gently by my mayan calendar teacher and slowly over weeks n moons told how media works and why and at the same time cognitive dissonance workings ( 9/11 etc ) , it took 6 moons before i finalllly went if they did this n that, what the fuck else have or COIULD they have done and then, taaadaaaa be doing.

    Living in two separate worlds began.

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    Winning hearts and minds

    Straight from the horse's mouth. John Stockwell, former CIA telling it like it is back in the 80's. Imagine what his team could have done with the internet at their disposal to boot. They can, and still do quite easily, make us think whatever the hell they want us to think...

    This whole 15 minutes is worth the listen, but if you're in a hurry just watch up to 5:35.
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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    Straight from the horse's mouth. John Stockwell, former CIA telling it like it is back in the 80's. Imagine what his team could have done with the internet at their disposal to boot. They can, and still do quite easily, make us think whatever the hell they want us to think...

    This whole 15 minutes is worth the listen, but if you're in a hurry just watch up to 5:35.
    Yes, the first five minutes is missing history. The manufactured "atrocities" in Cuba was pure gold.
    "To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize" -- Voltaire

    "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."-- Eleanor Roosevelt

    "Misery loves company. Wisdom has to look for it." -- Anonymous

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    Quote Originally posted by modwiz View Post
    Yes, the first five minutes is missing history. The manufactured "atrocities" in Cuba was pure gold.
    Pure gold, yes it was, any non co-operative country is sure to be portrayed as some of the most dangerous and depraved people to have ever lived. Stockwell's time was the 70's and 80's, the patterns of propaganda he describes from first hand experience can still be witnessed to this very day, and it still works like a charm.
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    The things former CIA John Stockwell was saying back in the 80's could easily be brushed off as rhetoric, a disgruntled former employee, etc., except that it can all still be seen happening to this very day. Between 12-218 minutes in he describes how high level terrorists can come to be, which at the time admittedly boggled even his mind, and is still happening today.


    From 28:45-29:30, it was considered outrageous at the time to put forth a plot to assassinate Gaddafi of Libya, but they got more sophisticated in time, and by 30 years later in 2011, the general public could be manipulated into echoing the righteous charge of "Gaddafi Must Go!". Well true to form go he did, and in reality it still was that assassination, but now with the blessings of Mr. and Mrs. America nodding "job well done"...

    The sheer complexities of operations can be seen from 31:45-37:30.
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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    The things former CIA John Stockwell was saying back in the 80's could easily be brushed off as rhetoric, a disgruntled former employee, etc., except that it can all still be seen happening to this very day. Between 12-218 minutes in he describes how high level terrorists can come to be, which at the time admittedly boggled even his mind, and is still happening today.


    From 28:45-29:30, it was considered outrageous at the time to put forth a plot to assassinate Gaddafi of Libya, but they got more sophisticated in time, and by 30 years later in 2011, the general public could be manipulated into echoing the righteous charge of "Gaddafi Must Go!". Well true to form go he did, and in reality it still was that assassination, but now with the blessings of Mr. and Mrs. America nodding "job well done"...

    The sheer complexities of operations can be seen from 31:45-37:30.


    Two videos by Empire Files that I've posted earlier. The second one — about a CIA school where dictators and terrorists are being trained — is age-restricted and must be viewed at YouTube directly, but at least you'll have the link to it. (It was not age-restricted yet when I first posted it, but YouTube's policy has changed in the meantime... )


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    US certainly has no moral high ground. What the politicians, goverments and the CIA has been doing is atrocious to put it mildly.
    "The more I see, the less I know for sure." ~ John Lennon

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    This is kind of interesting, a small glimpse into who wears "the bad guy" crown, and when. Remember when certain happenings on Ukraine were still allowed to be criticized?

    This was United States mainstream media at the time, way way back in the memory hole just three years ago:


    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy910FG46C4


    You know, it's a shame, it really is IMO. Whenever there's a war, battle moves by either side are bound to terrorize innocent civilians caught (literally) in the crosshairs; but that's where the other battle comes in, the battle for hearts and minds, the battle to sway public opinion into seeing "good vs. evil", as opposed to a battle between two competing interests.

    In this particular case, it's a matter of now you see it now you don't.
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    Things changed fast this year though, remember ?, no bio labs USA in Ukraine, couple of moons later, Hunter Biden does not own any of the USA bio labs in Ukraine, then ?.

    I have friends who berat me fo anything in their eyes is pro Russian, usualllly data n facts, only a couple left berating, why ?.

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    As a note for the readers who do not know this, Meta Platforms is the company formerly known as Facebook.





    Source: BBC News


    Meta claims US military link to online propaganda campaign





    "Individuals associated with the US military" are linked to an online propaganda campaign, Meta's latest adversarial-threat report says.

    The campaign was the first major covert pro-US propaganda operation taken down by a big-tech company, independent researchers said in August.

    It supported the US and its allies, while opposing countries such as Russia, China and Iran.

    But experts said it was largely ineffective.

    On Facebook, 39 accounts, 16 pages, and two groups were removed, as well as 26 accounts on Instagram, for violating the platforms' policy against "coordinated inauthentic behaviour".

    "This network originated in the United States," Meta wrote.

    It focused on countries including Afghanistan, Algeria, Iran, Iraq, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia, Somalia, Syria, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Yemen - and mirrored tactics commonly used in propaganda campaigns against the West, including:

    • fake personas
    • artificially generated images
    • campaigns across multiple platforms



    One fake account used a doctored picture (left) of actress Valeria Menendez (right).



    The accounts targeting Iran had criticised Iranian authorities and their policies and posted about issues such as women's rights, researchers said.

    Some of those supporting the US had posed as independent media outlets and some had tried to pass off content from legitimate outlets, such as BBC News Russian, as their own.

    The operation ran across many internet services, including Twitter, YouTube, Telegram, VKontakte and Odnoklassniki, according to Meta.



    'Public trust'

    "Although the people behind this operation attempted to conceal their identities and coordination, our investigation found links to individuals associated with the US military," its report says.

    But most of the posts had "little to no engagement" from real users.

    US think tank the Atlantic Council's Digital Forensic Research Lab managing editor Andy Carvin told the BBC when the campaign was first revealed, it would be "ineffective and counterproductive" for democracies to undertake such campaigns, because it meant using "the very tactics used by your adversaries" and "further eroding public trust".

    Meta's announcement confirms previous reporting by the Washington Post. Sources told the newspaper concern over the operation had made the Pentagon complete "a sweeping audit" of how the US military conducted clandestine information warfare.

    The US Department of Defense told BBC News it was "aware of the report published by Meta".

    "At this time, we do not have any further comments on the report or potential actions that may be taken by the department as a result of the report," it added.


    Source: BBC News
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    This has limited hangout written all over it.

    (Chuckling) Or as the constable in "Casablanca" put it: "I'm shocked, shocked to find there's gambling going on here".

    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjbPi00k_ME



    'Public trust'

    "Although the people behind this operation attempted to conceal their identities and coordination, our investigation found links to individuals associated with the US military," its report says.

    But most of the posts had "little to no engagement" from real users.

    US think tank the Atlantic Council's Digital Forensic Research Lab managing editor Andy Carvin told the BBC when the campaign was first revealed, it would be "ineffective and counterproductive" for democracies to undertake such campaigns, because it meant using "the very tactics used by your adversaries" and "further eroding public trust".
    To the very core of their essence, the BBC and "Atlantic Council" butter their bread by being eager participants in the spreading of mis, and disinformation. It's what they do. The red highlights above also serve to "inform" us that it doesn't work anyway.

    Like hell it doesn't, it works with well oiled machine like efficiency.

    Meta's announcement confirms previous reporting by the Washington Post. Sources told the newspaper concern over the operation had made the Pentagon complete "a sweeping audit" of how the US military conducted clandestine information warfare.
    Ah, yes, and a sweeping audit has been conducted. No more of *that* monkey business around here. From now on it's "Straight shooting Sally" right down the line. No more gambling going on here...
    The unexamined life is not worth living.

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