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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    The United States of America and Israel are the only two UN countries that refuse to acknowledge the International Criminal Court.
    Let's hope the ICC acknowleges them

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    Somewhere I read that Putin has been obsessed with Gaddafi's death, he sure wouldn't want to die that way. He sure is a criminal, but then again there are courts or should be international courts where such people get charged. Of course also many US presidents and leaders should end up there and eventually in prison, but that will never happen in our world. Only real whistleblowers and heroes end up dead or in prison.


    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvuesa07irM
    If you see the whole video, he unloads on everyone.
    Bashar Al Assad laughs at all of it too, as it's in Damascus............
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    The United States of America and Israel are the only two UN countries that refuse to acknowledge the International Criminal Court.
    Now I wonder why that would be.

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    Let's not be leaving China and Russia out of the mix.
    The unexamined life is not worth living.

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    Is he one of the all ?




    From 2005-2012, under Prime Minister Meles Zenawi, Tedros was the Minister of Health. During his tenure, he covered-up one of the worst outbreaks of cholera in Ethiopian history. Between 2012-2016, he was the Ethiopian foreign minister and was involved in the violent suppression and starvation of the rival Amhara clan. A little known biographical detail about Tedros is that he was the 3rd ranking member of the politburo of the Tigray Peoples Liberation Front (TPLF) Terrorist Organization.

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    So now, an American president cannot simply announce that the leader of another sovereign country needs to vacate their current position, or else, he needs the PR arm of his administration (otherwise known as the media) to manufacture consent for what he wants to do first. Or, as is the case in our most current Project, he needs them to manufacture outrage in order for him to do what his masters want him to do. In overtly authoritarian regimes the propaganda is correspondingly overt, right in your face and thus easy to spot; but in the liberal Western world, the soft touch is needed.

    The mis/disinformation is almost... repeatedly massaged into the psyche, sounding so earnest and well meaning, expecting people busy in their daily lives to see it for what it really is, is really asking a lot. "We're the good guys out there, I've known that ever since I was taught the pledge of allegiance, these people are simply reporting the horrors of "the other", and what we 'the good guys' are going to do about it".

    The little girl with the kitten scene from "Wag the Dog" is an excellent example of this. "The horror of what's happened to that poor little girl, something must be done!"

    You know, come to think about it, being a citizen can be not all that dissimilar to being a member of a cult, just much much larger in scale. "My leader knows the truth about things, he has the answers, I hear all about it every day so it must be true, and it's my duty to be a good little patriot and do my part". Every now and then someone in a cult, for whatever reason and on whatever scale, starts to notice that something is just not. quite. right... And the thing is by that point, their natural inclination is to question what they're seeing, surely some reassuring answers will come my way promptly to explain it all away. But then that doesn't happen as expected. It can't.

    "Now I know something's wrong, but what is it exactly?"

    That about the place where this person looks to be, early on in the questioning stage. They did it again here shortly after. Even though they'll never even know it, I'm damn proud of them even getting to that point. It's exceedingly difficult to even catch a glimpse when you're utterly surrounded by it in an echo chamber that's all singing from the same hymnal. They may or may not be able to just shrug it off, a lot of people can and they're able to live with it; but if they're unable to do that, and the question keeps nagging, then they'll find that next step in their journey quite unexpectedly when further questioning winds up with them being expelled from the group and out on their ass.

    The way this particular group manufactures consent for one side, other groups are doing similarly for the other side. And so it goes, either way getting to the true heart of the matter is hardly the objective.

    The objective is outrage - consent - group think.
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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    You know, come to think about it, being a citizen can be not all that dissimilar to being a member of a cult, just much much larger in scale.

    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXbytDJFzB4
    "The more I see, the less I know for sure." ~ John Lennon

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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    You know, come to think about it, being a citizen can be not all that dissimilar to being a member of a cult, just much much larger in scale. "My leader knows the truth about things, he has the answers, I hear all about it every day so it must be true, and it's my duty to be a good little patriot and do my part".
    Or — judging by the replies said individual got from Fearless Leader™ — a good little Project MAGAlon member...

    Fearless Leader™ is about as accurate in his assessment of the situation as he has been in his assessment of each of the so-called whistleblowers and insiders he's been championing over the years, and yet he still doesn't understand that the error in judgment is virtually always on his side, both with regard to so-called whistleblowers and with regard to anything to do with politics — whether US-centric or international.

    But then again, narcissists don't make mistakes. Whatever goes wrong, they'll always find someone other than themselves to blame it on. It's so predictable that you can almost set a clock to it..
    = DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR =

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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    You know, come to think about it, being a citizen can be not all that dissimilar to being a member of a cult, just much much larger in scale.
    Quote Originally posted by Wind View Post
    Oh yeah, well lookie there, McKenna was onto that a long time ago.

    One of my most recent, and vivid reminders of living in a cult ure, was for the first time in many years attending an American pro football game in Tampa this past January. The pre game ritual. 65,000 people there from so many different walks of life, different religions, politics, economic status, etc., all dutifully rise in unison, hand over hearts for the national anthem. It's done without even thinking about it, it's automatic, and it's really something to behold the power "Duty God Country has over a society. And then immediately after is the military flyover to ensure we all still get off on war.

    What Terrance was saying reminds me of one of my own little pet conspiracy theories. It's no conspiracy theory that the CIA was ensuring LSD be passed around here during the 60's, but that was back when they had hoped it could be used for mind control, what almost wound up happening instead was that they almost lost all control. Next thing you know acid was out, and heroin filled the streets instead. My theory is that this was done intentionally to head off what was happening.
    The unexamined life is not worth living.

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    Terrence would appreciate. Watching one of these videos is like a short DMT trip.

    Machine elves speak.

    Last edited by modwiz, 15th October 2022 at 10:36.
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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    The "Gadaffi Must Go!" storyline, the one that he was "passing out Viagra to his troops so they could rape more women while his snipers targeted innocent children", is one of the few to actually be exposed for what it actually was. A story.
    Gaddafi 'supplies troops with Viagra to encourage mass rape', claims diplomat
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...agra-mass-rape


    They've done it again. Too lazy to even make up new material now to paint the latest target of empire as a monster?



    Russian soldiers are supplied with Viagra to rape Ukrainian women and 'dehumanize' them, claims UN official
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...096de1b4a94fe7

    See how this works?
    The unexamined life is not worth living.

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    A Tale Of Two Medias

    Continuing on.

    So Jake Tapper of CNN here in the States, IMO is the epitome of everything that's wrong with "reporting the news" in the West in general. Whenever I talk to my wife about mainstream media, I just use Jake Tapper says, and that pretty says it all. Ah what the hell, maybe I'll just start doing that here as well chuckle chuckle...

    Anyway, this 10 minute clip from two people who actually do practice journalistic integrity, is an excellent side by side example of the startling difference between the two:

    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhP1h_7Jq_0


    I tune into people with actual journalistic integrity to try and maintain as good a grasp as possible of world events, tuning into "Jake Tapper" is only to keep tuned to how the powers that be want me seeing world events.

    A Tale Of Two Medias. The difference is does 2+2=4, or does it =5?
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    Woke War 3

    I don't know how this op/ed ever made it past Jake Tapper's desk, but it's very true. War at all cost, it's not just for neocons any more.

    Elon Musk got in hot water again on Twitter—for proposing peace. On Monday, Musk proposed a peace deal to end the war in Ukraine, for which he was denounced as a pro-Putin puppet by the Twitter mob that has formed to police the discourse on all things related to Ukraine.

    The president of Ukraine himself, Volodymyr Zelensky, accused Musk of supporting Russia—even though Musk's company SpaceX donated Starlink to Ukraine's war effort at an out-of-pocket cost of $80 million. (Full disclosure: Musk is a friend and I am an investor in SpaceX.) Ukrainian Ambassador to Germany Andrj Melnyk was less subtle, telling Elon to "f***k off," while David Frum tweeted without evidence that "Russian sources" had used Elon to float a "trial balloon" of a peace proposal because they're afraid of losing Crimea. Scores of blue-checks on Twitter followed their lead, ordering Musk to stay in his lane.

    What matters in this story is not that Musk was told off, but rather, that a Twitter hive mind is using the same intolerant cancellation tactics that they use to shut down debate on domestic political issues in order to shape U.S. policy toward Ukraine. They are doing so by demonizing dissent, defaming opponents, and closing off as ideologically unacceptable any path to peace or even deescalation.

    The online mob has decided that any support for a negotiated settlement—even proposals that Zelensky himself appeared to support at the beginning of the war—is tantamount to taking Russia's side, denouncing voices of compromise and restraint as Putin apologists. This removes them from acceptable discourse and shrinks the Overton window to those advocating the total defeat of Russia and an end to Putin's regime—even if it risks WWIII.

    We've seen this before: "Woke mobs" on Twitter routinely demonize and defame their political opponents, impugn the motives of anyone who questions their goals or tactics, and squelch dissent even in their own ranks by declaring the debate on certain topics over.

    What makes the "I stand with Ukraine" version of the Twitter mob unique is that it brings together two forces that used to be sworn enemies of one another—the woke Left and the neoconservative Right. It turns out they share many of the same loathsome ideological and personality traits, and have a similar "slash and burn" approach to political engagement. It's a new political marriage.

    ...
    https://www.newsweek.com/neocons-wok...pinion-1748947
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    Some years ago I had a lot of respect for Elon, but in recent times he has proven himself to be quite a narcissistic clown who is just trying to get attention. He surely has plenty of attention and it probably has gotten into his head long ago just like it has with many celebs, in many ways he seems to be a not very pleasant person. Of course asking for peace is a good thing, but the way he went about it seemed to upset people. He did that same thing with Taiwan. I think he doesn't really understand either that Ukrainians want Russians out of their country and they don't really want any deals because Russians have been terrorising them too much and causing too much suffering and devastation. That was to be expected. How does Russia compensate for that? It takes ages for grievances like that to settle down.

    I think Crimea is lost for good. If Russia is truly capable of launching a bigger attack later and can weaken Ukrainian forces more, then perhaps they will be forced to surrender or consider a deal. Yet reports are saying that Russian forces are only weakening more, all they have is numbers and lack of proper training and equipment due to corruption and negligence. I just don't see it happening now, because both sides want their own goals fulfilled. Putin wants his cake and wants to eat it too while Zelensky doesn't want anything to do with him. I couldn't really blame him for that, but the escalation towards a full-blown insane warfare does cause some real concerns for everyone.
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    Quote Originally posted by Wind View Post
    Some years ago I had a lot of respect for Elon, but in recent times he has proven himself to be quite a narcissistic clown who is just trying to get attention. He surely has plenty of attention and it probably has gotten into his head long ago just like it has with many celebs, in many ways he seems to be a not very pleasant person.
    Agreed.

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    Of course asking for peace is a good thing, but the way he went about it seemed to upset people.
    I'm afraid that's where we differ. The mistake he made there, same as anyone else who wants to sue for peace, is do doing so in a time where someone must go. Even the guy supplying Ukraine with the means to communicate all this time, also the same guy who challenged Putin to a fight, gets told to fuck off for daring to propose an end to this.

    "Sit down and shut up!" is what anyone of note will hear when speaking out during a "XXX must go" moment. Fortunately for Must he's self employed. Being cancelled for going the wrong way around a one way circle is not new:

    Jesse Ventura, former governor of Minnesota (1999-2003), was a hot media commodity as the Bush/Cheney administration was preparing for its invasion of Iraq in 2003. Ventura, a US Navy veteran who gained notoriety as a professional wrestler before he entered politics, was both popular and outspoken. MSNBC won the bidding war for his services in 2003, signing him to a lucrative three-year contract to create his own show – until, that is, the network learned he was against the Iraq war. Ventura’s show quickly went away, even as the network paid him for three years to do nothing.

    I heard this revealing story from a new podcast, the TARFU Report, hosted by Matt Taibbi and Alex Pareene. By his own account, Jesse Ventura was bought off by the network, which back then was owned by General Electric, a major defense contractor that was due to make billions of dollars off the war.

    Of course, Ventura was hardly the only war critic to run afoul of GE/NBC. Phil Donahue, the famous talk show host, saw his highly rated show cancelled when he gave dissenters and anti-war voices a fair hearing. Ashleigh Banfield, a reporter who covered the Iraq war, gave a speech in late April 2003 that criticized the antiseptic coverage of the war (extracts to follow below). For her perceptiveness and her honesty, she was reassigned and marginalized, demoted and silenced.

    So much for freedom of speech, as well as the press.
    http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/arch...asion-of-2003/

    Hey, Saddam had to go. Fuck Jesse Ventura and Phil Donahue.

    That's as true today as it was then.
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    I do get what you mean, Fred. The train to get Putin out ain't stopping anytime soon, if ever. He took the bait which was laid out for him and fell for it. If only he wouldn't have been greedy with Ukraine then he could have kept his corrupt dictatorship until his death.

    If Elon really is going to acquire Twitter then I doubt he would be cancelled there. Not sure if he wants to get it anymore. I also heard Kanye buying that conservative social media platform called Parler. I have no idea what it is though, there seems to be so many of them these days. Twitter is the main channel and I know how mad people can get there with all the lynching mobs, I have never discussed things there. Only watch what's going on there as it has lots of info. It must have really hurt Trump to get cancelled from Twitter.

    From what I've seen Jesse Ventura talk, he always seemed like a stand up guy to me. Sure he can be called a conspiracy kook in the mainstream media, but that's hardly a crime. At least he has brains to use, now that's the kind of candidate I would actually want to see in US politics.

    I think the correct word to describe the war between Russia and Ukraine would be an impasse.

    The snowball effect started when the escalations started long ago and it's not stopping yet.
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