Thrive II: This is What it Takes

[Wind]

I watched the first Thrive years ago and I remember it being somewhat interesting and now this sequel is out, I'll give it a look.

"Thrive II: This is What it Takes brings viewers behind the scenes with the people and innovations that have the power to transform life for everyone. Follow a journey across the globe investigating the most promising solutions in energy, health, consciousness, and non-coercive self-organizing while unpacking the underlying science, principles, and strategies that make them possible. THRIVE II reveals compelling evidence that illustrates a new paradigm of science that Einstein was seeking, unveiling for the layperson an emerging coherent theory of the "Unified Field" and all that it implies. Inspiring trans-political, grass roots, and decentralized solutions, THRIVE II offers practical tools for reclaiming authority over our lives. From new sources of energy to breakthrough health cures, THRIVE II provides the insights and resources needed for viewers to take next steps in accessing and supporting the solutions that can truly create a world that works for everyone."

Thrive II: This is What it Takes

[Aragorn]

Thrive II: This is What it Takes

Well, I too have watched the original "Thrive" documentary when it came out, and I've now sat through the whole 2 hours and 32 minutes of this new one, but even though there's a lot of good stuff in there, at the same time there were also several red flags going off for me.


You really do have to watch the whole video in order to notice (and get an objective view on) their vantage and their beliefs, but I'll list some of the major red flags below.

• By their own decision, their video is only watchable on YouTube, presumably because they've chosen to monetize it and because Google/YouTube then needs to track that — I cannot tell because I'm using an ad blocker, but I can see no other reason why they would willfully disable playback at other venues.

• Their website is a .com domain, i.e. a commercial domain. So much for their credibility with regard to the whole Alternative™ thing.

• They are in favor of free-market capitalism — but, to their credit, against corporatism.

• They are anti-socialism, while they also clearly do not understand what socialism is or what its goals are. They unequivocally state that socialism means that the government controls the resources, and thus that socialism requires a government, which is false. Socialism puts the means of production into the hands of the people, and in and of itself, this does not require that there be a government — the whole punk movement of the 1970s was both socialist and anarchist at the same time. They also don't seem to understand the distinction between socialism as an ideology and the atrocities committed by allegedly socialist/communist dictators like Stalin.

• They equate Hitler's National-Socialism to socialism, which it most definitely was not. Hitler's National-Socialism was fascist, because it blended government with corporatism. The SS, SA — which later on got incorporated into the SS — and Waffen SS for instance were the private paramilitary organizations of the Nazi party — itself also a private entity — and were never part of the official German military, most of whom actually despised the SS and Waffen SS.

• They list Eric Dollard and Otis Carr among the scientists whose work on free energy technology was suppressed. Eric Dollard is an insane (ex-)drug addict and Otis Carr was convicted for having misappropriated substantial government subsidies.

• They list David Icke and Infowars as heroes that were ostracized for exposing the New World Order™, and they refer to the Pizzagate™ hoax, albeit without explicitly naming it — they do show a picture of Jeffrey Epstein while discussing child sex trafficking.

• They are anti-vaxx and anti-5G, and they are suggesting that doctors and scientists who spoke out against either have been suicided.

So, all in all, I'm very divided about what this video brings to the table, and I can't help but see some genuine Alternative Community™ hypocrisy in it. From about three quarters into the video, I had the feeling that it would absolutely belong at a venue like Project Faff-Along™, home of the Dunning-Kruger-afflicted.

Like I said, some parts of the video were interesting — they did make a very good start — but then somewhere along the line, they managed to turn what was initially a tasteful wine into vinegar.

[Aianawa]

Was not too interested in viewing but was gonna put away till time allowed as such but Aragorn you got me desiring to watch asap due to your feelings, appears they may be up with the play as such.

[Diabolical Boids]

Well, I too have watched the original "Thrive" documentary when it came out, and I've now sat through the whole 2 hours and 32 minutes of this new one, but even though there's a lot of good stuff in there, at the same time there were also several red flags going off for me.


You really do have to watch the whole video in order to notice (and get an objective view on) their vantage and their beliefs, but I'll list some of the major red flags below.

• By their own decision, their video is only watchable on YouTube, presumably because they've chosen to monetize it and because Google/YouTube then needs to track that — I cannot tell because I'm using an ad blocker, but I can see no other reason why they would willfully disable playback at other venues.

• Their website is a .com domain, i.e. a commercial domain. So much for their credibility with regard to the whole Alternative™ thing.

• They are in favor of free-market capitalism — but, to their credit, against corporatism.

• They are anti-socialism, while they also clearly do not understand what socialism is or what its goals are. They unequivocally state that socialism means that the government controls the resources, and thus that socialism requires a government, which is false. Socialism puts the means of production into the hands of the people, and in and of itself, this does not require that there be a government — the whole punk movement of the 1970s was both socialist and anarchist at the same time. They also don't seem to understand the distinction between socialism as an ideology and the atrocities committed by allegedly socialist/communist dictators like Stalin.

• They equate Hitler's National-Socialism to socialism, which it most definitely was not. Hitler's National-Socialism was fascist, because it blended government with corporatism. The SS, SA — which later on got incorporated into the SS — and Waffen SS for instance were the private paramilitary organizations of the Nazi party — itself also a private entity — and were never part of the official German military, most of whom actually despised the SS and Waffen SS.

• They list Eric Dollard and Otis Carr among the scientists whose work on free energy technology was suppressed. Eric Dollard is an insane (ex-)drug addict and Otis Carr was convicted for having misappropriated substantial government subsidies.

• They list David Icke and Infowars as heroes that were ostracized for exposing the New World Order™, and they refer to the Pizzagate™ hoax, albeit without explicitly naming it — they do show a picture of Jeffrey Epstein while discussing child sex trafficking.

• They are anti-vaxx and anti-5G, and they are suggesting that doctors and scientists who spoke out against either have been suicided.

So, all in all, I'm very divided about what this video brings to the table, and I can't help but see some genuine Alternative Community™ hypocrisy in it. From about three quarters into the video, I had the feeling that it would absolutely belong at a venue like Project Faff-Along™, home of the Dunning-Kruger-afflicted.

Like I said, some parts of the video were interesting — they did make a very good start — but then somewhere along the line, they managed to turn what was initially a tasteful wine into vinegar.

It seems counterproductive to have people 'working' the unified field as a solution which I truly think is probably our only possible solution about having a better existence AND holding a bunch of ANTI anything beliefs. Unified field is really just a space, call it a mind space, of potentials and possibilities and going in there with a bunch of rigid ideas about how things are or should be is probably not going to bring very good results.

Waters will be further muddied. if they get qualified representatives that have done great UF work or study and toss them into the mix to prop up something that isn't much of anything at all. There's lots of examples of people working singly or multiples in the field and the results they get is really mind blowing. To the extent its not even rare or uncommon. And its literally an unimpeded way forward if people can just hold the course and do the work either for themselves or collectively. I've always wanted to know people like that in person since its a subject of personal interest to me, instead of just being included as another example in another view about unified field theory.

[Emil El Zapato]

Never new what to think, never watched either but will try it. Based on what Aragorn said, I might just get angry...

[Wind]

Well, I too have watched the original "Thrive" documentary when it came out, and I've now sat through the whole 2 hours and 32 minutes of this new one, but even though there's a lot of good stuff in there, at the same time there were also several red flags going off for me.

I appreciate you taking the time watching through it, I didn't realize it was that long.

I managed to watch the first 20 minutes last night and decided to watch the rest later.

However, I was wondering if it would have any kooky ideas and assumed it probably would.

Maybe I'll just briefly glance through the interesting parts. Perhaps The Venus Project was more viable?

They are anti-socialism, while they also clearly do not understand what socialism is or what its goals are. They unequivocally state that socialism means that the government controls the resources, and thus that socialism requires a government, which is false. Socialism puts the means of production into the hands of the people, and in and of itself, this does not require that there be a government — the whole punk movement of the 1970s was both socialist and anarchist at the same time. They also don't seem to understand the distinction between socialism as an ideology and the atrocities committed by allegedly socialist/communist dictators like Stalin.

I really wish people would educate themselves on socialism and especially on Social democracy. Socialism has such a bad reputation especially in brainwashed US, but it's really not communism. At least it's not that here in Scandinavia. Also people should educate themselves more on what Marx really said instead of just always believing what the talking heads are saying about "cultural Marxists". Even Jordan Peterson doesn't seem to understand what that means and makes himself look like a fool and he is a very intelligent man.

[Emil El Zapato]

I would be very inclined to consider Peterson a fool... period.

[Wind]

I would be very inclined to consider Peterson a fool... period.

Oh I'm sure you would. I know that just only the name is enough to aggravate you.

[Emil El Zapato]

Oh I'm sure you would. I know that just only the name is enough to aggravate you.

lol, well, you win in the end because I'm going to watch both Thrives tonight.

[Wind]

lol, well, you win in the end because I'm going to watch both Thrives tonight.

I'm interested to hear what you thought about them. At least the first one had some convincing footage about the crop circles!

[Aianawa]

It seems counterproductive to have people 'working' the unified field as a solution which I truly think is probably our only possible solution about having a better existence AND holding a bunch of ANTI anything beliefs. Unified field is really just a space, call it a mind space, of potentials and possibilities and going in there with a bunch of rigid ideas about how things are or should be is probably not going to bring very good results.

Waters will be further muddied. if they get qualified representatives that have done great UF work or study and toss them into the mix to prop up something that isn't much of anything at all. There's lots of examples of people working singly or multiples in the field and the results they get is really mind blowing. To the extent its not even rare or uncommon. And its literally an unimpeded way forward if people can just hold the course and do the work either for themselves or collectively. I've always wanted to know people like that in person since its a subject of personal interest to me, instead of just being included as another example in another view about unified field theory.

Feel the SOC is doing xstreamly well atm , from viewin n xspirencing, sorta imo gotta or will, go that way one way or another., self organinising collective.

[Aragorn]

Feel the SOC is doing xstreamly well atm , from viewin n xspirencing, sorta imo gotta or will, go that way one way or another., self organinising collective.

Do not confuse the extreme polarization in society and the blind jumping onto trains — whichever way they go, because both directions are picking up lots of passengers — with the wisdom to self-determinate, Little Hobbit. It may look like self-organizing to you, but it's just more of the same unquestioning herd mentality.

Just because people proclaim themselves to be Alternative™ — and even believe themselves to be — doesn't mean that they are.

[Aianawa]

Mmmm think there is only two ends to a stick, maybe this SOC be a branch , ? yes , self organising may imo mean , be. or be with, orrrr with it , it =ing whats happening, yes.

[Emil El Zapato]

The crop circles were the best of both Thrives. I still don't know what to make of this unified field thing. I found a lot of contradictory hopes and suggestions while watching II. And I didn't have the luxury of checking any of the claims made so as yet undecided and will likely remain that way. One thing really struck me though, way too much propaganda screwing the whole thing up.

[Aragorn]

One thing really struck me though, way too much propaganda screwing the whole thing up.

That was one of the things that turned me off as well. I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed.