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    Quote Originally posted by Silly Wabbit View Post

    All I can say is that IF the election was tampered with, it wouldn't surprise me... But if they don't get it together soon, There won't be an America to fight over... It will be a bunch of people wearing "short shorts" with blue hair, waving whatever flag of the week is trendy, claiming whatever gender they wish, or what ever they wish to " identify as"... Getting very upset as open gunfire starts, and real people who know the country was lost, try to recover what is left, as they run home to cry in their comfy pillows...

    I am surprised it hasn't started yet. And sadly? I do not know if the military would even stand on the side of the people trying to save the country at this point? Or just follow orders from these idiots. I would like to think they are smarter than that...

    What people are being told about America is far different than what is truly going on... And those in Northern states,not experiencing this, can't truly weigh in on it... Well they can now, as most people are fleeing the Southern states, for states they hope still have some sanity left!

    I want to reply to this.... As I was called out for some of these statements... And was told that I was "Asking for it" in regards to my American flag to be stolen...

    First about the American Flag... in my area during the last election, Biden supporters were stealing American flags. I have security cameras up on my home, but that particular flag was out of range... They couldn't steal my Trump flags as they were on my front porch... so they stole my American flag instead..

    That flag was not up to support Trump. In fact it was well over thirty feet away from my Trump flags deliberately... I have flown that flag since I bought my home in 1996 to celebrate that we still have the freedom to vote, and to agree to disagree... I hung it, as I always had, as my family is full of veterans, and my family has been in every conflict America has ever faced... It had ZERO to do with Trump versus Biden...

    Stealing that flag was not "funny", it was a crime, and anyone who applauds it, is essentially saying they support theft so long as it aligns with your political beliefs... It is about as correct as suggesting that a rape victim "asked for it", merely because she wore a dress outside...

    Again, A crime is a crime...



    Also, I want to state that for the record, I had a blue stripe in my hair when I was in high school. It was fun and I did it just to "Be different"... It was more a nod to just being an individual, and a fashion statement at the time...

    What I was referring to however, was not those just making a fashion statement, or even those that have different colors of hair, dress or lifestyles. Although people would have you believe I am this or that for even having an opinion on it at all...

    I was referring to those who dress up wearing wigs they normally do not wear, clothing they do not normally wear... T Shirts they would not normally wear (Like Black lives matter)... hoping to be a part of a "flash mob" type of environment, for recognition or acceptance... Short shorts, and anything that grabs the attention of people passing by...

    I was also referring to those who smeared red paint on their legs for shock value, when the topic of Rowe vs. Wade, recently reappeared... and marched through my town... Those actions they would not normally behave in...

    These are the same folks who will paint on their windows "Black Lives Matter", when the day before, they didn't feel so inclined to do so... But suddenly they feel so "moved" by the issue, they have to openly paint it on their homes, businesses, and place stickers on their vehicles that they believe this... To prove they are not racist, but if you do not follow suit, you MUST BE racist!

    This is a trend we are seeing more and more, where these same individuals are a part of any and all "Social events" that touch on a sensitive issue, yet they do nothing more about those issues, nor were they before they arose, yet they appear in ALL of those parades, claiming they "care... " and if you call them out on it, they openly shame you for NOT being a part of it, and they gather their groupies to shame you as well...

    These are individuals hoping to have some issue they can "participate" in, even if they do not support it. But they want to be a part of something they hope will make them appear to be tolerant of EVERYTHING.... and of course it doesn't hurt that they can later post the videos or images online for clicks and likes, or views... All while shaming their neighbors for not following them as they march through town...

    Sadly it seems more a cry out to be accepted, where they will change their skin daily to "Fit in" somewhere, like most children do in grade school, until a group accepts them. Only now they have their own group. It is a group of people who do nothing more than shame others who do not participate in their ridiculous cries out for attention, while real people are working hard to provide for their families, not even engaging in the topics whatsoever, as they truly do not take issue with them...

    So when I posted...
    "they run home to cry in their comfy pillows..."


    I was implying that THESE are the individuals who get upset when the local community doesn't embrace their "wokeness.... " and as a result of not embracing it, they then go on social media crusades to shame them somehow... And it isn't one side or another, but a small group of individuals from seemingly out of nowhere behaving this way.

    I am not alt right, I am not left wing... I am an American who just has opinions like everyone else does... And if I get upset when someone co opts my paycheck to support people who didn't get here legally? It doesn't make me intolerant.. It is me standing up for my rights to not be infringed upon, as we do have legal immigration...

    If I offended anyone in my last post, I do apologize... That was not my intent. And I do not ask that you agree with me... But I do ask that you do not support crime because it is funny... Nor that you support people behaving in a mob mentality because they think it is a fun activity, or they feel the need for social acceptance...
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    Quote Originally posted by Aianawa View Post
    Gosh the border alone is a shocker let alone the multipill fronts of outrite stupidity, blessings to you n yours Wabbit, something will happen very soon, lol next election choices are democrat or terrorist republicans, somthin gonna give.
    Sadly most from other nations will only be shown those things that make Americans seem intolerant, and unwelcoming... But the situation has turned to politician versus politician now, where some are now busing them to the doorsteps of the politicians who think it is okay that they allow them to flood into certain communities, so long as if never affects them...

    It affects everyone... And the rest of the country who do not believe this is an issue will be feeling it soon, when the resources of the Southern states collapse and they begin to migrate to more Northern areas and collapse their states economies as well...

    And this isn't a politically driven sentiment, it is something that will have to happen if it continues unabated.

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    Quote Originally posted by Silly Wabbit View Post
    Stealing that flag was not "funny", it was a crime, and anyone who applauds it, is essentially saying they support theft so long as it aligns with your political beliefs...
    That kind of thing is rampant these days. So long as something nefarious aligns with one's deeply held political beliefs, rarely will it be called out. "That side bad, this side good; and if we did something dirty like that? They must have had it coming!"


    Quote Originally posted by Silly Wabbit View Post
    That flag was not up to support Trump. In fact it was well over thirty feet away from my Trump flags deliberately...
    In today's ever increasingly hyper partisan atmosphere, the American flag has more or less been coopted by Trump's base of the republican party, like they're synonymous with our founding ideals, and the only ones worthy of flying it.

    It is a thing.

    This is by no means to excuse what happened, but regardless of placement in today's atmosphere, Trump flags and an American flag flying in the same yard translates into that they are tied at the hip. I would assume that if passing by your house seeing that, and I'm certainly no democrat. I'm just sayin, as an objective observer looking on from outside.

    Quote Originally posted by Silly Wabbit View Post
    I am not alt right, I am not left wing... I am an American who just has opinions like everyone else does...
    I used to get on Mike over yonder about always saying stuff like that. It's like one of the new things to do these days, people don't want to appear partisan, so they say they aren't even when it's clearly the case that they are. I don't think it's a lie, just more one of those things that we like to tell ourselves: "I'm not at all partisan, just that these particular people over here are making some sense".

    Well, when you want republicans in charge, Trump in charge, no more social safety nets, pro military, referring to the mostly right of center democrats as communists and socialists, and only going to right wing news and commentary sources like FOX NEWS and such, then guess what? That makes you right wing.

    That's nothing to be ashamed of, it's a legitimate political ideology, I really don't understand not just openly identifying as such. Hell, back in the day I was more than happy to tell anyone I was a proud, card carrying conservative republican.

    The conversation with Mike finally ended with him saying along the lines of "okay, then I guess that makes me right wing, so what?" Well shit that was it, there was no "so what" to it! He finally was able to correctly identify his personal political ideology, and that's all I was trying to point out, conversation over LOL.

    In hindsight, we should have had a little coming out party for him, some others may have joined in that new found freedom of expression.

    Quote Originally posted by Silly Wabbit View Post
    Sadly most from other nations will only be shown those things that make Americans seem intolerant, and unwelcoming... But the situation has turned to politician versus politician now, where some are now busing them to the doorsteps of the politicians who think it is okay that they allow them to flood into certain communities, so long as if never affects them...

    It affects everyone... And the rest of the country who do not believe this is an issue will be feeling it soon, when the resources of the Southern states collapse and they begin to migrate to more Northern areas and collapse their states economies as well...

    And this isn't a politically driven sentiment, it is something that will have to happen if it continues unabated.
    Until someone can demonstrate that our borders are truly wide open, I'm adding this to my list of right wing talking points listed above. Denise, from everything I can tell, border security has only snapped back to pre Trump administration levels. The right has been freaky about borders and foreigners for some time now.
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    Sadly I had to qualify my stance on political affiliations, as a result of others assuming to know my stance on issues, when they change daily, based upon situations that I experience in my daily life... I did so, because that is the "Norm" these days, as everyone must "Identify" as something, otherwise they will be labeled as something else, just because that is the way people handle others these days... As labels rather than individuals.

    Right now, when it comes to the more hot topic issues, I would say that by definition, or popular labeling, perhaps it would suggest I fall into the catagory of what many deem to be the "alt right..." however this is more a side effect of the platform and topics Trump chose to run on, rather than all of my political beliefs... Prior to Obama? When I became "Independent", I was actually a registered Democrat!

    So anyone who claims to know my political affiliation would be lying to you.. I CAN however tell you where I stand today on topics that matter to me... So here goes... if it matters...

    I already told you why I opted to vote for Trump, even though I do not hold the man in high regard.. I didn't hold either of the candidates in high regard actually... But Trump hit Constitutional issues... such as people having the right to own arms. He hit issues such as people having freedom of speech, he hit topics such as ilegal immigration, having a strong military... The right to assemble... and one would only be assuming to know my opinions on any of those issues, had I not actually stated my views here....

    I live a modest life, own a modest home that cost $125k... a shack in comparison to what that would buy nowadays in California. I have never had a dishwasher, and really have very little in the way of luxuries. So I am not some fat cat saying, "Not in my neighborhood"... I am not some wealthy individual trying to protect a mansion...

    It would be a false assumption to believe that I do not believe in social safety nets... I have been supporting them my entire working life, so it would be a lie to suggest otherwise.. I find them a necessary thing in any society... Thanks for bringing it to my awareness that this may be assumed so I could correct it.

    to continue with what I believe..

    I AM pro military as far as having a stout defense for the nation, and a capable offense if needed... I think all nations should have a strong military. This does not mean I agree with everything they do...

    I AM for the right to bear arms,,, It is a constitutional right... And all countries have crazies, but we also have a governmental body out of control, and if people think giving up their rights to protect themselves from intruders, or a nation that goes rogue, is a good thing, I would disagree... We could go into which kinds of arms people should be allowed, but that is not what I am stating here, just the right in general...

    I AM for freedom of speech. I believe Democrats would suggest they are as well... Sadly speech is co opted as well these days, but I would rather having free speech to none at all... Or worse, only hearing the speech they want us to hear, which is where we are quickly heading....

    I AM for the right to assemble... Due process, and all of the things lined out in our Constitution.

    I AM for legal immigration. And having said that...those systems in my state are over taxed and over used, and near collapse... I am all for helping those who legally migrate here... And we have systems in place for that, based upon the amount of legal immigration they had been allowing...


    You write this Fred...

    Until someone can demonstrate that our borders are truly wide open, I'm adding this to my list of right wing talking points listed above. Denise, from everything I can tell, border security has only snapped back to pre Trump administration levels. The right has been freaky about borders and foreigners for some time now.

    I never once suggested that the borders are wide open... But they certainly aren't completely closed, and in some areas yes, they are wide open... And pre Trump border patrols were not enough then...

    In 1986, Reagan signed an immigration reform act, Both Bushes included immigration issues into their running platforms, as did Clinton and Obama... illegal immigration has ALWAYS been an issue... Merely putting it back to Pre-Trump, doesn't eliminate the issue that those along the southern borders have been dealing with for decades... It does exist, even it you prefer to relagate it to alt right propaganda... That is your right..

    And if it makes me alt right in your mind for having brought it up, well I can't change that opinion either.. Fair enough.

    I do have to say I appreciate that you are having a civil conversation with me about such things however, it is truly refreshing.. And I really do appreciate it, even if we don't agree on everything...

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    Indeed indeed, good tunes n convo

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    I don't know if this thread has any useful purpose at this point...

    I started the thread not to cause friction, not to open up fights or to further divide people... I wanted to let people know that not everything that happens in America can be so easily cast into "Far Left or "Far Right"...

    As far as I am concerned, if you made it to the point where you could be even considered a presidential candidate, you had already sold out your right to consider yourself a "Regular American"... And we all know politics are agenda driven so why do we let it divide us so much as individuals?

    I was hoping to do some damage control by openly stating my voting, and why... But never insulting those who voted differently... That was their right. And by showing that perhaps people could politely discuss such things... But apparently in this setting, there aren't any who are in the same area I am, that these things are genuinely affecting, and I can appreciate that.

    People seem to forget this these days.. The fact that we disagree should be celebrated, as we get change as a result...

    I almost feel like I am watching a witch hunt play out in real time when some people discuss politics..

    I have found in my own area, that if I say nothing, and just let people talk about their own politics, I can actually engage them, and we agree on so many things! And I have to wonder.... If I brought up the point that I actually voted for "orange man", would they then shake their finger at me, claiming "ALT RIGHT ALT RIGHT!!! and run away screaming? Or would they be able to look at me and question WHY? Given we did share so many similar ideals... And could we then go onto having a calm rational discussion about such topics? Or is it a lost cause these days?

    That was what I was trying to really address...

    I will leave the thread alive, just in case someone wanders in with a bottle of wine under the arm, and chooses to sit down and engage the conversation... But for now, will leave saying THANK YOU, to those who happened upon this thread, for being polite, whether you agreed or disagreed with me... It matters... Because if we lose the ability to sit and discuss rationally, those things that are affecting us, we lose any hope of getting through this as a whole.. No matter where you are from...
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    Quote Originally posted by Silly Wabbit View Post
    I don't know if this thread has any useful purpose at this point...
    I think it does. It leaves the doors of communication open, and we both agree that's important.

    Quote Originally posted by Silly Wabbit View Post
    I started the thread not to cause friction, not to open up fights or to further divide people...
    So far as I can see anyway, there's been no friction started, I'd be looking at the whole matter a bit sideways if it had. Like, why? Seems pretty tame to me.

    Quote Originally posted by Silly Wabbit View Post
    I wanted to let people know that not everything that happens in America can be so easily cast into "Far Left or "Far Right"...
    Well, everyone who pays attention at least, has political leanings whether they consciously realize it or not. If I see that someone's always linking to places like FOX NEWS and Epoch Times for instance, then it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what their basic politics is. Conversely, same thing if one is regularly drawing from information wells the likes of MSNBC, and The Young Turks.

    Once people find an outlet that reports ongoing events in ways that they agree with, they'll generally stick to that particular type of outlet, and not care to hear any different interpretations of current events.

    Like the lady who cut my hair the other day. Just 10 minutes of hearing her very strong opinions on things, I know darn well she's not just watching something like C Span and forming her own opinions from there. Hell no, she's plainly on a steady diet of Glenn Beck, FOX, and maybe Newsmax. That brand of news and commentary. She certainly ain't tuning in to The Young Turks!

    Anyway, getting back to your far left/far right dichotomy. I want to try and clear up a very common misnomer that's been out there for some time now, and that is there is no real left in U.S. federal government. Bernie Sanders is one of the few, and look at what's been done to him by his own fellow democrats his last two presidential runs, he's been torpedoed at the knee caps. They don't want left!

    What we're looking at here getting down to the nitty gritty is a Trump wing of the republican party that's constantly trying to outdo itself in going more and more extreme right wing, establishment republicans who are traditional button down conservatives like Mike Pence, and then there's the democratic party who's now crossed over into right of center territory, with a continuing slow drift in that direction.

    It's ludicrous seeing Joe Biden, Mr. Tough on crime/tough on drugs, being constantly labeled a socialist. The guy is more along the lines of an old fashioned Rockefeller Republican. It might seem that way to one who eats OAN for breakfast, but just a cursory review of what socialism really entails, and it becomes readily apparent that kind of rhetoric is nothing but alarmist red meat for their target demographic.

    This is no battle of constitutional libertarians vs. socialism, or out and out communism, it's essentially hard right vs. slightly right of center.

    So give all that a chew, and let me know what you think when you have time. No hurry, I'm busy too!
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    Agree that this thread is a very important discussion . would imo have been very unwelcome not so long ago, imo perfect timing, the things said that are factless regards Trump alone on this forum is disgusting and incorrect ( think white supremist ), is happening finalllly in my country, the talking and open discussions regards lying openly in medicine and politics and is leading to apoligies, surprises and re-connection again, just the masks going has created great improvements. Anyways good on you for creating a begining Wabbit.

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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    This is no battle of constitutional libertarians vs. socialism, or out and out communism, it's essentially hard right vs. slightly right of center.
    You get the gist of it. The correct terminology matters a lot. Meanwhile us "silly" Europeans just chuckle along the sidelines here!

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