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    The Other Side Of January 6th

    So I've watched every last minute of the "January 6th Committee" on prime time t.v. here thus far. IMO they have done an extremely thorough job at fleshing out with a fine tooth comb not only the events of January 6 from an insider point of view, but the chronology of events leading up to that national embarrassment as well.

    I don't think the democrat led committee will ever get the scalp they have so longed for through two impeachments, and now this; but I believe they have shown very clearly that Donald Trump's self absorbed narcissism runs so deep as to be borderline sociopathic, that he'll stop at nothing to get what he wants, and we already knew that he'll throw even his most loyal supporters (see Vice Prestident Mike Pence) under the bus the first time they dare say no to him.

    Like I said, they're not going to get the man on any criminal charges, there is too much that goes into the vague realms of state of mind. But, I do wish there were some mechanism here based on a Japanese like idea of public shame, where once triggered, the guilty party is hereby the object of national shame. Deep shame would follow someone who abused their power such as he did for the rest of his life, with zero chance of ever getting near a lever of power ever again, not even dog catcher.

    Having said all that, and to the title of this thread, there is a whole other side of January 6th that this committee will not ever touch with even the proverbial ten foot pole. That's because the real mission of this committee is less about what happened that day, and more about finally getting the scalp of "Orange Jesus", they're blinded by their hatred of him so much, that they're perfectly will to totally ignore the other side of "how do we make it so this never happens again!"

    Here's a good brief synopsis of what I'm pointing to. The committee has left no stone unturned in showing how blatant the signals were weeks ahead of time that something bad was going to happen that day, hell I even half expected some shit to go down, so as Leonard Cohen put it "Everybody Knows":

    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn6I3DL57sI


    But here's the glaring omission, the prancing naked emperor so to speak. Where was the beefed up security to be ready for what they knew was coming? How else do you "make it so that this never happens again"? You beef up security accordingly. Obviously.

    But not to these people.

    It also says intelligence leaders kept seasoned analysts from assessing Jan. 6-related threat reports and that leaders “essentially dismantled” a unit that analyzes online posts.

    In the run-up to Jan. 6, online message boards and social media platforms brimmed with violent messages directed towards lawmakers on Jan. 6 as users stated their intentions to halt the certification of the 2020 presidential election. The number of online threats exploded when then-President Donald Trump tweeted on Dec. 19, 2020 about protesting on Jan. 6: “Be there, will be wild!” Post after post by extremists called for murdering legislators by name, as well as blanket killings. TikTok users in late December 2020 called for snipers to gun down police on Jan. 6, and to “storm the capital building,” and “hang” politicians. All of this and more was in the possession of the Capitol Police’s intelligence division, according to emails reviewed by POGO and sources who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they said they fear retaliation.
    The Capitol Police has also noted that their organization was not alone in failing to contemplate a large-scale attack on Congress, although it is the only US law enforcement agency with a singular mission to protect the Capitol and federal lawmakers.

    The Capitol Police “expected and planned for violence from some protesters with ties to domestic terrorist organizations,” according to a previous statement, “but nobody in the law enforcement or intelligence communities imagined, on top of that threat, Americans who were not affiliated with those groups would cause the mayhem to metastasize to a volume uncontrollable for any single law enforcement agency.”

    But given the vast number of public online posts focused on violently attacking Congress that were in possession of the Capitol Police, critics say more imagination was needed. “There should be people in the Capitol Police who think the unthinkable,” said Sen. Angus King (I-Maine) last December.

    Amid all the finger-pointing, it’s clear that the Capitol Police failed in the run-up to Jan. 6. But the public still does not have a full answer why.
    https://www.pogo.org/investigation/2...n-6-blame-game


    So the committee is hyper interested in any every minute facet of January 6 that can be pinned of Trump, but the interest level doesn't even blip the meter on the big security "blunder".

    They're not at all interested in this kind of thing either:

    The U.S. Capitol Police has suspended six officers with pay for their actions on Jan. 6, when a pro-Trump mob attacked the U.S. Capitol in an attempt to stop the certification of President Biden's Electoral College victory, according to a department statement.

    An additional 29 officers remain under investigation as part of the department's ongoing probe into the events that unfolded that day.

    "The investigation into the January 6 attack remains under investigation. Our Office of Professional Responsibility is investigating the actions of 35 police officers from that day. We currently have suspended six of those officers with pay," the department said in a statement.
    Videos from the day of the attack appear to show some officers escorting rioters inside the building. In one video, USCP officers can be seen opening barricades allowing the mob to enter the Capitol complex without resistance.
    https://www.npr.org/sections/insurre...-capitol-riots


    There's also some video available that is also of zero interest to the committee. This one's a doozy!
    https://knightspirit.com/home/bridgi...used-in-court/



    This one is special in its own right:
    https://www.newsy.com/stories/video-...o-help-others/



    And finally:


    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sRVN_mVBng



    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnbtC3R4NxA


    Nothing to see here folks, move along, just keep your eyes fixed solely on one man...
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    It seemed to me from the last one that DJT and accomplices made sure there was no “security”, no? The secret service seems fine letting him, and are still willing to try to cover up his crimes. We know they COULD put a big security force, any hint of BLM and a giant military force is there. What exactly are you implying Fred? Trump’s side is not responsible for the security failure on the coup he planned?

    He sure thought it was good enough to go down there with them and take his place amongst the “his people” the rioters and their weapons as king of the hogs…
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    Same here in NZ Donk, preplanned politics as we move towards next elections, media slowly turning against the current dumpster fire and the opposition getting better coverage but many here know the usual play book and saying no to either now, this is happening in USA also atm imo but much slower as Trump has a base their very strong and current openly corrupt past and present by usual suspects holding strings.

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    Quote Originally posted by donk View Post
    It seemed to me from the last one that DJT and accomplices made sure there was no “security”, no?
    Well, if it was the case that Trump and company somehow purposely made sure there was limited security on that day of national embarrassment, this committee would be all over that like stink on shit, but obviously IMO, they ignore that glaring detail because it doesn't follow with their agenda of "Impeachment 3".

    Now again, let me be reiterate, this is by no means in defense of Captain Chaos. Just that (IMO) this is all about the dems looking for a third shot at getting his scalp, in painting a picture of the mayhem being solely his responsibility, so in the narrative of "how can we prevent this from ever happening again?", digging into the comparative total lack of security would surely be pointing the finger of guilt at other places besides the sole target.

    Quote Originally posted by donk View Post
    The secret service seems fine letting him, and are still willing to try to cover up his crimes.
    The Secret Service does that for every president.

    Quote Originally posted by donk View Post
    We know they COULD put a big security force, any hint of BLM and a giant military force is there.
    Ha! That's my shining example! Plenty of force on hand for that DC, BLM protest, but that's the way it always is when the little guy is trying to have his say.

    Quote Originally posted by donk View Post
    What exactly are you implying Fred? Trump’s side is not responsible for the security failure on the coup he planned?
    Absolutely.

    And I don't think for one second Trump planned it, he's not smart enough for that, he was only along for the ride getting his "ideas" from internet sourced Qanon type shit. This other picture the committee is trying to paint which is Orange Jesus being some kitty stroking, criminal mastermind from a James Bond type thriller, is friggin ridiculous on the face of it.

    Not looking at sides here Phil, as I detest both of them, just looking at this whole mess objectively leads me believe that deep state type powers had interest in allowing/fostering that protest of deluded people to run the course to its fullest extent.

    Some high up people wanted that to happen.

    Quote Originally posted by donk View Post
    He sure thought it was good enough to go down there with them and take his place amongst the “his people” the rioters and their weapons as king of the hogs…
    True.

    But here's the thing. We could make a drinking game out of how often this committee mentions the magickal word "weapons", but in a jurisdiction where 2nd Amendment rights are flatly denied, how anyone with a weapon beyond a flagpole wasn't immediately arrested by Capitol Police is astonishing, to say the very least. It's being presented as "there's people with weapons all over the place, and not a damn thing we can do about that!"

    And another question: How come not a single firearm was ever videoed inside the Capitol building? For a "well planned coup", that wasn't very useful...
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    It seems to me, from a distance, that there were pro Trump elements within every policing agency and at every level that were obstructive. The FBI's behavior is particularly questionable. Also, you have to figure that at least some republican congressmen were frozen by the realization that if something big went down and Trump won, they didn't want to be on the wrong side of that.

    Because, if he pulled it off, it would mean all bets were off and they could be declared traiters. Meanwhile the democrats are so incredibly geriatric and weak, then and now, they may not have taken it quite as seriously as they should have. Out of touch. That's what's going to kill them in the midterms. They are doddering old farts. I prefer them over the blatant fascists but they don't put up much of a fight and are all terrible people too, the ones holding most of the power, anyway.

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    I find your take really wild Fred. There’s so much video of him explaining how he is refusing to leave office, phone calls of him trying to shake down officials to change the election, testimony describing how happy he was that the hogs were attacking.

    If you do not think he was directly responsible for most of the events that you think he’s too stupid to “plan”, what is your explanation? Some “smart” force orchestrated these events? To what end?

    You really think this whole thing is some people trying to make Donny look bad? D’s trying to impeach him a third time? I don’t get it
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    Quote Originally posted by donk View Post
    I find your take really wild Fred. There’s so much video of him explaining how he is refusing to leave office, phone calls of him trying to shake down officials to change the election, testimony describing how happy he was that the hogs were attacking.

    If you do not think he was directly responsible for most of the events that you think he’s too stupid to “plan”, what is your explanation? Some “smart” force orchestrated these events? To what end?
    I cannot and won't speak for Fred, but here's my take on it, for whatever it's worth... I myself do not believe that Donald Trump would have planned for the events on the 6th of January 2021 to go down as they did. His intent was clearly to rally support from his fellow fascists for his delusional idea that he had actually won the 2020 elections, or — driven by his unadulterated narcissism — that he could somehow get away with manipulating the outcome of the 2020 elections to his advantage.

    However, that said, he did most certainly intend for there to be a hard-right mob comprising thousands of individuals, many of whom were naturally expected to be armed, and once that mob had gathered and headed on over to the Capitol for their "peaceful protest", things got out of hand and escaped beyond Trump's control.

    Trump never intended for things to get as violent as they did — simply because he's too incompetent, too self-absorbed and too irresponsible to think ahead of any situation — but at the same time, when things got out of hand, he also refused to put a stop to it, and he refused to condemn it, because he was hoping that the mob was going to succeed at putting him back on the throne. And getting back on the throne was the only thing he cared about, regardless of how it was accomplished and regardless of whether there would have been any casualties along the way. Therefore, Donald Trump is ultimately responsible for what happened that day, and so is Rudy Giuliani.

    In a way, it's a bit like the difference between premeditated murder and voluntary manslaughter. He didn't actively plan for things to get violent, but his selfish actions facilitated the violence, and he also didn't object to it when it was going down, because he was secretly cheering for the "protesters". Another way of looking at it would be as criminal negligence; he knew what was going on and yet he refused to put a halt to it even though doing so was within his power — both legally as outgoing president and morally as the spiritual leader of that far-right posse.

    In Trump's mind, the violence was justified, and he only finally officially condemned it much later — after the mob had been dispersed again — for purely legal reasons, so as to save his ass from prosecution over his responsibility in the attack on the Capitol. And that was the Dunning-Kruger effect at work, because narcissists consider themselves to be the smartest people on Earth and therefore cannot fathom that there would be anyone who's smarter than them and who would thus see through their manipulative machinations.

    And in that, Donald Trump was once again the spitting image of Benito Mussolini. Adolf Hitler was a narcissist as well, but he was significantly more intelligent than Benito Mussolini, which is why and how Mussolini quickly went from initially having been Hitler's role model and idol in the 1930s to merely being his puppet during World War II.

    As bad as Trump is, it would be a quite a stretch to compare him to Adolf Hitler, but he's certainly a Mussolini in every aspect of his buffoonish persona, and I'm personally still not excluding the possibility that he may actually have been Mussolini in his previous life; Benito Mussolini died in 1945 and Donald Trump was born in 1946, and Mussolini's last words before he was executed were that he'd be back as the leader of a much greater nation than Italy, and that they would "feel the arm."

    Quote Originally posted by donk View Post
    You really think this whole thing is some people trying to make Donny look bad? D’s trying to impeach him a third time? I don’t get it
    While there is some truth in Fred's analysis of the situation, I don't think it's about the Democrats simply looking for an excuse to get Trump impeached once again, even though they probably do still carry part of their frustration with them into this investigation from their failed earlier attempts to get Trump ousted.

    What I myself find far more telling in this regard is the Republican Party's consistency in their almost unanimous refusal to cooperate with both the investigations and the impeachment procedures throughout Trump's entire presidency, including both his attempt to falsify the outcome of the 2020 elections and his responsibility in the attempted coup, all with the exception of two or possibly three Republican representatives for whom Donald Trump is and has always been just that one step too far in the direction of fully-blown fascism, and who do not support that the President of the United States would be operating outside of the law, which Donald Trump has repeatedly done during his presidency — and for that matter, all throughout his life, really.
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    Quote Originally posted by Octopus Garden View Post
    It seems to me, from a distance, that there were pro Trump elements within every policing agency and at every level that were obstructive.
    There does appear to be some of that. It's well documented in the OP.

    Quote Originally posted by Octopus Garden View Post
    The FBI's behavior is particularly questionable.
    Oh yeah, I came to not trust the FBI some time ago, they have a way of "facilitating" groups of yahoos that couldn't otherwise organize and coordinate a square dance. I'd say that their influence with the gang that couldn't shoot straight hoping to kidnap the Michigan governor, is a classic example of this standard practice.

    In this case, as has already been pointed out by the January 6th Committee themselves, there was a plethora of Intelligence that some serious shit might go down on that day:

    In the weeks and months leading up to electoral certification, the FBI collected and shared intelligence; coordinated and communicated among federal, state, and local law enforcement partners; and positioned federal resources for potential deployment. Through these measures, the FBI worked in close coordination with the U.S. Capitol Police, the Metropolitan Police Department of Washington D.C., and other law enforcement partners leading up to the Joint Session of Congress and the planned demonstrations scheduled for January 6, 2021. The FBI and our federal, state, and local partners collected and shared intelligence and relevant public safety-related information in preparation for the various planned events.


    FBI’s Response to Events on January 6, 2021


    Throughout the course of the day on January 6, 2021, the FBI was in constant communication with federal, state, and local partners, including through the FBI WFO Command Post and the National Crisis Coordination Center (NC3) at FBI Headquarters. Prior to the breach of the U.S. Capitol, FBI special agents, including bomb technicians, responded to assist the U.S. Capitol Police with securing two nearby locations where potential explosive devices had been found. While the FBI and the U.S. Capitol Police were responding to, and rendering safe, the devices, it became clear that some individuals had breached security barricades and were entering the U.S. Capitol complex. In response to requests from the U.S. Capitol Police, the FBI immediately deployed additional assistance.
    https://www.fbi.gov/news/testimony/e...ol-wray-061521

    Oopsy, I guess they just dropped the ball there, didn't they? But the committee has zero interest in this important factor that led to the Capitol being overrun. Lots of pearl clutching in "how can we make it so that this never happens again!" But nothing, zip zero zilch, so far as "maybe security could have been better in the first place?"

    Quote Originally posted by Octopus Garden View Post
    Also, you have to figure that at least some republican congressmen were frozen by the realization that if something big went down and Trump won, they didn't want to be on the wrong side of that.

    Because, if he pulled it off, it would mean all bets were off and they could be declared traiters.
    That's a good point, just think what a position it was that they had put themselves in by their piss poor life choices, to be feeling boxed in by such an event.



    Quote Originally posted by donk View Post
    I find your take really wild Fred. There’s so much video of him explaining how he is refusing to leave office, phone calls of him trying to shake down officials to change the election, testimony describing how happy he was that the hogs were attacking.

    If you do not think he was directly responsible for most of the events that you think he’s too stupid to “plan”, what is your explanation?
    I don't really find it all that wild, but let's start with something Frank said here:

    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    In a way, it's a bit like the difference between premeditated murder and voluntary manslaughter. He didn't actively plan for things to get violent, but his selfish actions facilitated the violence, and he also didn't object to it when it was going down, because he was secretly cheering for the "protesters". Another way of looking at it would be as criminal negligence; he knew what was going on and yet he refused to put a halt to it even though doing so was within his power — both legally as outgoing president and morally as the spiritual leader of that far-right posse.
    Like I've already mentioned, this committee is painting him as the stereotypical kitty stroking, mastermind villain from a Jemes Bond flick, while IMO he's nothing of the sort. Were they going for a manslaughter conviction in a real court of law they'd have him by the balls, but they're going for 1st degree murder, all hinging upon the shoulders of one man, and one man only. Their aim is way too high in their raging blood lust to finally get their (non Putin) arch enemy.

    I think Trump is masterly in working people, in working crowds for instance, but he's no master planner or strategist. He doesn't read, doesn't study, doesn't research anything, he had a tough time even paying attention to his already greatly slimmed down Presidential Daily Briefings. He's good on the fly, a master of going off script and working people into a tizzy by going on riffs, but he's not the ideas guy, that's where he needs others with the vision he so sorely lacks.

    Take his former attorney John Eastman for instance, now there's a wild, gun slinging idea kind of a guy. He may have been full of utter shit legal advice, but he and other such goofball losers like Sydney Powell, Rudy Giulliani, and Mike "The Pillow Guy" Lindell were telling him just what he wanted to hear. They had a vision for how he stays in power, so he didn't need any advice from real serious lawyers and advisors such as we've seen from the committee.

    And let's not forget about the Qanon type of influencers. Trump was following all that shit as well, because those people were also singing the type of music that he most wanted to hear.

    Actually, let me correct that, these were the influencers who were writing the song sheet from scratch.

    Quote Originally posted by donk View Post
    You really think this whole thing is some people trying to make Donny look bad?
    Hopefully all that said, combined with my concerns over what is IMO obvious poor security planning (to say the very least!), can ease your concerns that I'm just trying to say that the committee is just out to "make Donny look bad".

    Quote Originally posted by donk View Post
    D’s trying to impeach him a third time? I don’t get it
    I do believe they're obsessed with him. They see red like a bull, whenever the word Trump flashes across their consciousness. I see one silo suffering from "Trump Derangement Syndrome", and the other silo suffering from "Trump Agreement Syndrome". In this case, I think Trump has broken these people's brains so irreparably that they may never see or think straight again, so long as Captain Chaos walks this planet a free man.

    There's virtually zero nuance out there Phil, it's either be 100% for one side, or 100% for the other. I'm trying to pry some nuance into the conversation.

    Quote Originally posted by donk View Post
    Some “smart” force orchestrated these events? To what end?
    I see a bigger picture to this, but that needs to stay in the on deck circle, pending if we can get some more of these other varying aspects fleshed out first.
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    Here's another thing that bothers me about these committee proceedings: aside from this made for tv production number becoming America's new hit soap opera sensation, but only for half the country, is the ever so selective manner in which they wield the immense power they have to investigate and weed out corruption.

    They've turned over heaven, earth, and everything in between to find even the slightest juicy little shred of evidence to support their grand righteous cause, and they're obviously quite good at sniffing out corruption as they've laid the actions/inactions of DJT out naked before the whole world for all to see; but as Agent Starling quipped back to Hannibal Lecter upon their first meeting in his cell block:

    Are you strong enough to point that high powered perception at yourself? Why don't you look at yourself and write what you see, or maybe you're afraid to.
    So this is the thing. The democrat party in this country are a bunch of cockroaches themselves... they sit up there all smug as if the only thought that ever crosses their minds from morn to night is how to best serve the American people, opining platitude upon platitude about how they're only there to preserve this great democracy, when they themselves are playing their own roles in hollowing it from the inside out. That's what disgusts me, how pompous and pretentious they are as if they're gods come down from heaven to serve and protect us in these trying times.

    These people have well demonstrated the utter lethality of those "high powered perceptions" in filleting Trump and other guilty parties to bare, but what might we find if they dared aim those perceptions at themselves, as Agent Starling suggested? Oooooooh, I'll take a front row ticket to that shit show as well. Sign me up to "Prime Time the Sequel".

    How many of them are gaining tremendous wealth and influence while sucking at the tit of Lady Liberty, serving their corporate masters as the little people are left to flounder, and spreading death and misery around the world with the wars, coups, and regime change operations they hold so near and dear to those red white and blue hearts...
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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    [...] So this is the thing. The democrat party in this country are a bunch of cockroaches themselves... they sit up there all smug as if the only thought that ever crosses their minds from morn to night is how to best serve the American people, opining platitude upon platitude about how they're only there to preserve this great democracy, when they themselves are playing their own roles in hollowing it from the inside out. That's what disgusts me, how pompous and pretentious they are as if they're gods come down from heaven to serve and protect us in these trying times. [...]
    At the risk of derailing this thread — which I absolutely don't want to — I would like to interject that the above is not an American exclusive, Brother. We are seeing the exact same hypocrisy over here in Europe.

    The good old snobbish establishment, resting firmly in its knowledge that they will never be challenged in their positions as policy-makers, and possessing quite a toolbox for making sure that no one can drive them out of power on the one hand, with on the other hand as the only alternative, a bunch of unadulterated fascists and racists whose voters are commonly found among those of lesser intellectual prowess and/or sanity, and then there's also a very small group of old-school Marxist communists who have no influence whatsoever. Two very different kinds of evil, but both evil nevertheless.


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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    At the risk of derailing this thread — which I absolutely don't want to — I would like to interject that the above is not an American exclusive, Brother. We are seeing the exact same hypocrisy over here in Europe.
    I don't doubt that. The hypocrisy driven shit show is probably more endemic to the West in general, but being the imperial leader of that order, the US winds up getting the lion's share of attention.

    This particular made for tv feeding frenzy has already served it's purpose, everybody who wants to know the essence of what happened, already knows. But they can't stop, they can't help themselves, the show must go on, and on, and on, and on, and on, like someone whose already been stabbed to death, but the knife keeps on plunging none the less just out of blood lust and continued ratings...

    I know a lot of focus is already mucho Americentric in general, but this is a case of them spotlighting themselves exclusively for the home audience. Of course they're happy for the whole world to see an image of them holding high a severed head still dripping blood, but the all important mid term elections are coming up in November, and they really need the home crowd fixated on that image like it's center stage on the wall of Plato's Cave.

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    Quote Originally posted by modwiz View Post
    Vaudeville makes a comeback with the Jan. 6, clownshow.

    What would the West be without entertainment for the masses?
    I had to look that up but it's a good fit! Reminded me of this from the movie "Network":
    Television's a goddamn amusement park. Television is a circus, a carnival, a traveling troupe of acrobats, story tellers, dancers, singers, jugglers, side show freaks, lion tamers, and football players. We're in the boredom killing business!
    They've already done their (ever so narrowly focused) job and then some, the rest is pure theatre.
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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    I don't doubt that. The hypocrisy driven shit show is probably more endemic to the West in general, but being the imperial leader of that order, the US winds up getting the lion's share of attention.

    This particular made for tv feeding frenzy has already served it's purpose, everybody who wants to know the essence of what happened, already knows. But they can't stop, they can't help themselves, the show must go on, and on, and on, and on, and on, like someone whose already been stabbed to death, but the knife keeps on plunging none the less just out of blood lust and continued ratings...

    I know a lot of focus is already mucho Americentric in general, but this is a case of them spotlighting themselves exclusively for the home audience. Of course they're happy for the whole world to see an image of them holding high a severed head still dripping blood, but the all important mid term elections are coming up in November, and they really need the home crowd fixated on that image like it's center stage on the wall of Plato's Cave.

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    I had to look that up but it's a good fit! Reminded me of this from the movie "Network":


    They've already done their (ever so narrowly focused) job and then some, the rest is pure theatre.
    Have actually watched all the hearings? D's fucking suck--in just about every way possible...but the committee is laying out facts that people need to hear--smart funny guys like Rad who know everything might actually learn something. The most compelling testimony is from R's, and you should be able to be more discerning through the spectacle crap. It is something that needed to happen, and of course there's going to be a "product" for consumption like everything else in this dying capitalist empire.

    Whatever the outcome, witnesses are putting on record their accounts of the failed coup. The anti- anti-fascists should pay attention, rather than mock what they see as a "circus". Governments should be investing attempts to overthrow them, I would think--what do you think should happen in all your wisdom oh modern wizard?
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    Quote Originally posted by donk View Post
    Have actually watched all the hearings?
    Phil, go back and read my opening line in the OP for the simple answer to that question. There's a reason I started out with that, hoping it wouldn't be missed.

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    D's fucking suck--in just about every way possible...
    I've tried to lay out some of those ways, but like a lot of people following this, you're having none of it. It's like my wife and I, we can hardly even discuss this any more because like so many others, she's so enamored with finally seeing the head of Captain Chaos being served up on a platter, she doesn't care to hear any questioning of those doing the serving up. The questioning comes across as offensive.

    Quote Originally posted by donk View Post
    but the committee is laying out facts that people need to hear
    They've laid out a very powerful case, but seeing as they are operating unopposed, they're playing fast and loose with a lot as well. People tend to do that when it's a lock that whatever is said, put forth, or omitted, is going to stand unchallenged.
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    Phil, go back and read my opening line in the OP for the simple answer to that question. There's a reason I started out with that, hoping it wouldn't be missed.
    Well you certainly did not seem to pay much attention. Most testimony was from REPUBLICANs. The D's BEGGED them to send people and they chose Jim Jordan and freaks as guilty as him. Lots of them are being subpoened so they can tell "their side", and they refuse, or begrudgeingly come in and plead the fifth.

    she's so enamored with finally seeing the head of Captain Chaos being served up on a platter, she doesn't care to hear any questioning of those doing the serving up. The questioning comes across as offensive.
    Well I guess I am not like her. As much as I would love for DJT to be held accountable for any of his openly stated (by himself, in the public--usually boastfully) crimes, I would never entertain the fantasy that he ever will. What do you find offensive exactly?

    they're playing fast and loose with a lot as well.
    WTF does that mean. I don't give a shit what ANY Representative (as comittee member) or anyone who is not a witness explaining what they experienced under oath says (or those asked to come and REFUSING to share their "truth"). What do you see as "fast and loose"....and what argument do you have for "the other side" that you find so compelling???



    Did you watch the one with the white supremisist groups? Or Mark Meadow's assistant?

    Spectacle that shit was. But is only way lots of USAans as Verne calls them are gonna be bothered to pay any attention to a fucking coup attempt on our country. Gotta sell shit these days. It is the capital of the empire of capitalism doncha know.

    maybe the white reformed psychos were crisis actors for the D's or whatever you are implying....but tell me MM's girl was lyin?
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