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    What The New World Order Is, What it Isn't, And Can It Be Demonstrated?

    So what is it? Hard to put a finger on isn't it? With the destruction of The Georgia Guidestones, the term is sort of back in circulation again after a bit of a drought, essentially as in "someone told the New World Order just what we think of them!"

    So I figured this would be a good time to initiate an exercise in trying to pin down just exactly what we're talking about when we say something like that.

    Is it the shadowy world of Free Masonry, where at the top of the pyramid we find the ever elusive Illuminati, along with its many tentacles from Bilderberg, to "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion?" We can eventually go there if need be, the late night Art Bell version, but for me anyway that's like watching a show on ghost hunters, never anything to really sink your teeth into like trying to gram a mirage, the closer you get to any kind of definitive conclusion, the more the sought after watering hole is just over the next sand dune.

    Now to be clear I'm not saying there's absolutely no truth to any of that, as a matter of fact I'm still quite certain bits and pieces of that shadowy world do fit together to form a long running, behind the scenes menagerie of related intangibles; but the purpose of this exercise is to bring to light that which can actually be pointed to and be clearly seen, be touched, be identified, that which can be articulated to family or friends without going all esoteric and sounding like a goofball conspiracy theorist to the average person.

    In modern times, U.S. President George H. W. Bush was the first to really stick "New World Order" into people's psyches, and with good reason, because very few people knew what the hell he was talking about back then. Even now most don't! Conspiracy theories were more underground in the 1980's, so when he came along post "Desert Storm" in 1991 talking about a "New World Order", well that just set the whole movement ablaze, in particular far right Christians with eyes fervently set on the coming of the long awaited "Anti Christ", and Armageddon.

    Watch this speech he gave in 1991, starting at 13:20 it's only about 20 minute's worth. In it he mentions either "New World Order", or the "Order", 12 times. 12 times in 20 minutes.


    Moving past all the flowery rhetoric, what he's essentially describing is the bipolar, post WW2 World Order of ruling hegemons the USSR and the USA, giving way to a New World Oder of one single hegemon, that being the USA. Now the New World Order he's describing and championing, is synonymous with what's referred to as the "Liberal World Order". Take your pick.

    The following is how the U.S. Army War College describes the gradual U.S. rise to lead a New World Order:

    Looking at each phase, it is possible to trace the rising status of the United States internationally and its promotion of policies and institutions that created the liberal world order. During phase one, President Woodrow Wilson’s efforts during World War I promoted collective security, democratic self-determination, free and open trade; meanwhile international institutions introduced liberal internationalist ideas into the system. Wilson continued this push at the Paris Peace Conference and he was able to convince the conference to incorporate his Fourteen Points into the peace treaty. Wilson’s efforts were possible because the US acted as a lender to the Entente powers, fought with the Entente powers, and because the United States did not suffer serious damage from the war—allowing the US to emerge as a world power. These circumstances gave Wilson the stature necessary to attend the Paris Peace Conference and to present his ideas and policies to the rest of the world. Wilson’s efforts led to the creation of the League of Nations, although the United States did not join, primarily because of partisan domestic politics.

    Though Wilson’s efforts achieved limited success, President Franklin D. Roosevelt renewed many of Wilson’s ideas during World War II. Roosevelt’s Atlantic Charter mirrored the main tenets of Wilson’s Fourteen Points. Though Roosevelt died before he could enact his postwar policies and the ideas he presented at the Yalta Conference, he established the foundations that would consolidate during phase two. These policies included the creation of the United Nations, the Bretton Woods agreement that created the International Monetary Fund, the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development (eventually part of the World Bank), and the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (succeeded by the World Trade Organization). American leadership was critical in establishing these institutions, and support from other liberal states made it possible for the US to create a regional liberal order. The end of World War II also saw the United States rise to superpower status alongside the Soviet Union. During this first phase the United States rose from a regional power to a world power to a superpower, and as it rose in the international system, it unevenly promoted liberal internationalist tenets into the international system, slowly building a liberal order.

    Phase two occurred during the Cold War, and during this period the US established a regional liberal order focused on Western Europe, the South Pacific, and the Western Hemisphere. The United States created the regional liberal order to defend itself and its allies from communism. In this period, the international system was bipolar, split between the US and the USSR; this great power competition was ideological and caused divisions within the international system that often affected crises around the world. In this bipolar system, the US and the USSR built competing regional orders. In this environment, US polices often struggled between promoting liberal ideas and protecting the United States and its allies. Sometimes these interests coincided, as in much of Western Europe, but in other places, there was tension, and often the priority went to defending the United States and its allies. The tension between prioritizing ‘values’ and ‘interests’ is not new to US policymakers; it has been present since the founding of the country.

    One irony of this second period was that some US policies undermined the liberal order. In particular, US policies that supported pro-US governments over democratic ones left a legacy for the current world order and engendered skepticism in those parts of the world about American intentions and liberalism. During this phase, the US showed its military might while simultaneously relying on and supporting the liberal institutions created after WWII. Even so, this militarily created and institutionally sustained regional liberal order became the foundation for the liberal world order that would emerge by 1991 as the international system shifted into a unipolar system with the collapse of the Soviet Union and the US rise as the sole superpower.

    Phase three saw the emergence of a global liberal world order beginning in 1991. The Soviet Union’s collapse eliminated the sole competitor to the US ideological order, the Soviet collapse was reinforced with the US having the world’s most powerful country economically, diplomatically, and militarily. This meant the post-Cold War system was a US-led ideological order founded on the United States’ position as the unipole. During this phase, Presidents George H.W. Bush and William J. Clinton implemented policies that promoted liberal internationalist ideas globally setting the foundation for further liberal internationalist policies by their successors.
    https://warroom.armywarcollege.edu/a...l-world-order/

    So Phase 1: US enters the world stage as a major player post WW1, tries to initiate a New World Order, but fails.

    Phase 2: A New World Order is established post WW2, but a bipolar world order divided up between East and West.

    Phase 3: The Soviet Union falls in 1989, leaving the US as the sole, unchallengeable world hegemon, and a New World Order/Liberal World Order/International World Order was born.

    Of note: The use of the term "Liberal" here is by no means the same as liberal would be used domestically here in the States, as in "liberals vs. conservatives", it's more or less talking about the freedoms entailed in democracies. A major goal of this Liberal World Order is to spread their particular philosophy the whole world throughout, making every nation a liberal democracy, but this is not out of the goodness of its heart. It's in large part for security concerns, as democracies seldom attack one another. So they're going to strive to make you s democracy whether you like it or not (think Iraq), even if it has to be shoved down your throat by force of military, outright coup, shadowy regime change, whatever means suit the occasion.

    The Liberal World Order/New World Order/International World Order "loves" you so much, it's basically an evangelist, it wants you to find Jesus so to speak. For its own good of course... Its philosophy may as well be Christ like, and cannot be argued, therefore it's mission is missionary like, and as with those who would deny Christ in their lives, a terrible fate awaits you if you choose to go your own way, and not bend a knee to The Order. That's just the way it is. Also see Iran, North Korea, Syria, Venezuala, Cuba, etc., as prime examples.

    People used to marvel at the close friendship between Bill Clinton and George Bush Sr., despite being polar opposites with Clinton being a liberal, and Bush being a conservative. Well they're looking at it all wrong, that kind of liberal is only skin deep, they are each actually two peas in the same pod because they both sing from the international liberal song sheet, and being an international liberal crosses all of those petty party lines. Ever wonder why foreign policy never seems to change under this New World Order, whether a liberal or conservative is at the helm? It's because they're all brothers and sisters in arms for the great cause of the overall Liberal World Order, when it's all boiled down, they're all on the same team, and if you aren't on that team you either won't ever be there in the first place, or you won't be there for very long.

    That's a good place to leave it for now, more to come, let that settle in and tell me what y'all think so far. Can we at least put a finger on that?
    The unexamined life is not worth living.

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    While this is old and i would love to give my own truth and experience regards this facet of Earth life ( not yet lol need to feel cosy first ), also at the start of your post above FG, you say drought, How ?, with all that has transpired this last few years ?, amazing imo but still many follow orders still to this day from known political etc liars.


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    I see you found another place to squeeze this video in, thanks for the thoughtful contribution...
    The unexamined life is not worth living.

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    WTF FG, yes it was the last vid on data you created this thread about that i had watched, FFS. It is old and from an old stand point, just watch the mainstream news for an up to date view imo.

    What to look for when looking for data regards NWO ?, research !!!, find out who went delving before you, did the corporat mainstream media vilify, put down, harm or kill, threaten or purge etc that person ?, lately one may look into who has been msn's n media smothered and one would say Joe Rogan, Kari Lake ( x media ), any person or media not lock stepping Gates and Fuacxi and their financial arms, CDC n FDA etc etc.

    Will one find this NWO if they look ?, yes, maybe first one needs to comprehend they are usualllly unknowingly part of it and that is a difficult start to reflection for one.

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    I would have to say that The New World Order, as described as a world that rules by the "Rule of Law", and "Not the laws of the jungle". Is nothing more than one society, a secret one, NOT Americans in general... (And they're not all Americans either)... who are trying to capture the entire planet, and to corporatize it, for their own gain... The RULE OF LAW being THEIR RULES, their language, and we, the common man and or woman, are not privy to it...

    The "Rule of law", as they dictate, are not fully understood by most Americans, as they use a fully different language that they do not even teach the Americans... (Unless they go to law school, and take an oath to uphold such atrocities)... much less these other countries that they're trying to pull into their way of living...

    Essentially it is a power grab with far reaching consequences.. If the law was known, and I mean TRULY known, all of the Americans who believe they are part of a "Just Society" would revolt in masses!!! Much less those in other countries that these douchebags are trying to steal from...

    There has been an effort since BEFORE America was founded (in my opinion), to steal this land, convince the people that they are somehow "Free" while living under major debt slavery... and then deliberately begin to print cash out of thin air... The first sign, when they eliminated backing money with a natural resource that was actually worth something... From there they had America in their pockets...

    Once that was accomplished, and the people of the nation were forced to be taxed, and long since COMPLETELY OVERTAXED... The laws began to shape around not how to empower the people, but to further enslave them should they not "Comply".. And this includes prison time for not paying taxes, to outright hostile takeovers of anything that has any value in our society... This never hurt the rich in any way... And they walk a tightrope trying to maintain a balance where most will not notice just how much they're being enslaved... To the point where people feel it is their duty to give up so much, for nothing in return!

    We have a hard rock gold mine in our area, the last one in the area, facing a hostile takeover as we speak... If one looks up mines of any kind in America, coal, gas, ore, many of those are owned by politicians, their families, or high ranking military officials these days...

    The police state that has become America, does not protect and serve the people, but rather the government.. The states, the tax basin, the prisons and revenue basin...

    As America grew, they fought only those that wouldn't comply and participate in the Ponzy scheme, where the few owned the world... And while many nations have their own issues, America has been taken over completely at this point... The military industrial complex so powerful, that if leashed upon the citizens of the country, their little "Right to bear arms", would almost seem futile at this point... And if the military wouldn't fight their own people, the corporations have trained private police forces to do it.

    Here America is giving away trillions of dollars to other nations, shipping them our oil reserves when gas prices are over $6 a gallon, and strapping that debt onto the backs of the citizens who pay taxes... Those who don't pay, are already bought by the government in the way of free money, but with that, comes a time when that free money will cost them dearly..

    If those watching America right now were truly paying attention, they would see the gap between those at the top, and the average citizen, when it comes to what they actually make... and who gets the "loopholes" when it comes to actually paying taxes... and they would avoid our ways at all costs. As corruption has settled in, to the point where I believe it may take military actions within the walls of our own country, to reverse the damage... If it isn't already too late...

    People are so busy carrying signs for rainbow flags, and which lives matter, rather than dealing with the real issues.. Perhaps they feel incapable of tackling the larger issues so anything helps, but what they're really doing is skating around the one issue that will really make a difference... It is the elephant in the room, creating all the minor issues to redirect focus in my opinion, and people eat it up, as a means of "Feeling good about being involved in some positive change"...

    I haven't watched regular television in years as a result of how pathetic it has become.. Those who cannot see it, never will, and those who can, and do not speak up about it, well they are truly the ones who need to.. So THANK YOU for this thread Fred..

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    Different take but a young ones take, a well read take plus i learnt some good positive takes, they agree with a couple of facets regards your share Wabbit.


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    Thank you for the well thought out post there Silly Wabbit. I'm looking for people to think on their own, come up with their own thoughts on this matter as you did, as opposed to just finding videos of other people doing the thinking part and posting that as opinion/research.

    I'm gonna go through your post and respond accordingly, but with a reminder of what I'm really looking for here.

    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    Now to be clear I'm not saying there's absolutely no truth to any of that, as a matter of fact I'm still quite certain bits and pieces of that shadowy world do fit together to form a long running, behind the scenes menagerie of related intangibles; but the purpose of this exercise is to bring to light that which can actually be pointed to and be clearly seen, be touched, be identified, that which can be articulated to family or friends without going all esoteric and sounding like a goofball conspiracy theorist to the average person.
    Like I said Denise, I truly appreciate the time and effort it took you to lay all that out, but unless you can add some links pointing concretely at the points you make, it kind of boils down to the run of the mill "they're doing this and they're doing that". I'm looking for things I can actually touch so to speak, get my hands on, something I can show other people if need be and say "look, there it is in black and white, or here's the participants describing it directly about it as in the George H.W. Bush speech I posted.



    Quote Originally posted by Silly Wabbit View Post
    I would have to say that The New World Order, as described as a world that rules by the "Rule of Law", and "Not the laws of the jungle". Is nothing more than one society, a secret one, NOT Americans in general... (And they're not all Americans either)... who are trying to capture the entire planet, and to corporatize it, for their own gain... The RULE OF LAW being THEIR RULES, their language, and we, the common man and or woman, are not privy to it...
    Okay, a secret society. Yes, there are many secret societies, and I don't doubt that a select few of them do exert influence on national, and world affairs, but neither you or I can put a finger on it for demonstration purposes. That's what I'm looking for.

    Quote Originally posted by Silly Wabbit View Post
    The "Rule of law", as they dictate, are not fully understood by most Americans, as they use a fully different language that they do not even teach the Americans... (Unless they go to law school, and take an oath to uphold such atrocities)... much less these other countries that they're trying to pull into their way of living...
    "They", who is they? There's corruption in law for sure, from the lowest levels to the highest levels, but that's also true for any other profession. I don't really see the language they use as being indicative, in and of itself anyway, as evidence of malfeasance. Most professions have their own language to greater or lesser extents.

    Now as I recall there's the whole "Maritime Law" angle, whereas there's America's courtrooms actually operate under Maritime Law or something of the sort, but someone would have to show me some evidence of that besides a Jordan Maxwell talk.

    Quote Originally posted by Silly Wabbit View Post
    Essentially it is a power grab with far reaching consequences.. If the law was known, and I mean TRULY known, all of the Americans who believe they are part of a "Just Society" would revolt in masses!!! Much less those in other countries that these douchebags are trying to steal from...
    A lot of people know the law, and I've seen a lot of really good lawyers get some average people out of some real tight jams. For that to be true to the extent society in general would erupt in revolt, just about every lawyer would not only have to be in on it, and keeping quiet about it. That's a lot of zipped lips.

    Quote Originally posted by Silly Wabbit View Post
    There has been an effort since BEFORE America was founded (in my opinion), to steal this land, convince the people that they are somehow "Free" while living under major debt slavery... and then deliberately begin to print cash out of thin air... The first sign, when they eliminated backing money with a natural resource that was actually worth something... From there they had America in their pockets...
    The first part there is well known, this nation certainly was stolen over the bodies of countless dead people.

    The second part, would begin involving actual institutions such as the Federal Reserve and the IRS. That's getting into the area of tangibles I'm looking for, and was going to get to later on, as in a World Order needs its institutions in which to operate, and enforce its dictates. Now I don't think having to pay taxes, in and of itself, is indicative of a grand conspiracy and/or enslavement, as someone has to pay for schools and highways for example, beyond the Federal Reserve printing money out of thin air. Beyond that though there is an argument there to be made, and I'm happy to hear it out by someone who really knows what they're talking about.

    Quote Originally posted by Silly Wabbit View Post
    Once that was accomplished, and the people of the nation were forced to be taxed, and long since COMPLETELY OVERTAXED... The laws began to shape around not how to empower the people, but to further enslave them should they not "Comply".. And this includes prison time for not paying taxes, to outright hostile takeovers of anything that has any value in our society... This never hurt the rich in any way... And they walk a tightrope trying to maintain a balance where most will not notice just how much they're being enslaved... To the point where people feel it is their duty to give up so much, for nothing in return!
    See Above.

    Quote Originally posted by Silly Wabbit View Post
    We have a hard rock gold mine in our area, the last one in the area, facing a hostile takeover as we speak... If one looks up mines of any kind in America, coal, gas, ore, many of those are owned by politicians, their families, or high ranking military officials these days...
    Now there again, something like that I'd need to see some evidence of. I know there's that old revolving door between public and private, where elites stroll at their leisure back and forth and it's corrupt as hell, a totally rigged system, but I don't believe that almost every single mine in America is owned by one of these people. But hey, prove me wrong. I did a quick search and didn't see much pointing to that.

    Quote Originally posted by Silly Wabbit View Post
    The police state that has become America, does not protect and serve the people, but rather the government.. The states, the tax basin, the prisons and revenue basin...
    According to the dictionary, we're not there yet.

    Police State:
    a nation in which the police, especially a secret police, summarily suppresses any social, economic, or political act that conflicts with governmental policy.
    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/police-state

    Not to say I don't have a lot of problems with our epically corrupt system, but by definition, we're not a police state. See the 1ST Amendment auditors I post about on occasion. You can't do that in a police state.

    Quote Originally posted by Silly Wabbit View Post
    As America grew, they fought only those that wouldn't comply and participate in the Ponzy scheme, where the few owned the world... And while many nations have their own issues, America has been taken over completely at this point... The military industrial complex so powerful, that if leashed upon the citizens of the country, their little "Right to bear arms", would almost seem futile at this point... And if the military wouldn't fight their own people, the corporations have trained private police forces to do it.
    Again, I hate to nitpick but who is "they"?

    Sorry Denise, I'm just not seeing where America has been "completely" taken over. We're certainly heading that way, have been for a long time, but someone needs to point me directly to where it's demonstrated that the take over is "complete".

    The U.S. Military Industrial Complex just fled Afghanistan with its tale between its legs against basically, a rag tag national militia. As a gun owner, surrounded by gun owners in this red state, and multiplied countless times across this country, I think the military would have hell to pay to try and occupy the whole place. They don't even have the numbers to do so with, and you'll need to point me to any private corporate police force that can do that job.

    Quote Originally posted by Silly Wabbit View Post
    Here America is giving away trillions of dollars to other nations, shipping them our oil reserves when gas prices are over $6 a gallon, and strapping that debt onto the backs of the citizens who pay taxes... Those who don't pay, are already bought by the government in the way of free money, but with that, comes a time when that free money will cost them dearly..
    As a world hegemon, part of the price for being so is expenditures overseas, and not to mention the military, at the cost of that money being spent here at home. There's also some really weird trade agreements that I don't quite understand as of yet, whereas if we suddenly stopped shipping our own oil overseas for example, that would trigger some trade clause for other countries to cease shipments of something they send to us. It's fucked up for sure!... Were it up to me, I'd nationalize a precious commodity like oil, and not leave it up to the greedy whims of private corporations and a rigged market. Same with health care.

    Quote Originally posted by Silly Wabbit View Post
    If those watching America right now were truly paying attention, they would see the gap between those at the top, and the average citizen, when it comes to what they actually make... and who gets the "loopholes" when it comes to actually paying taxes... and they would avoid our ways at all costs. As corruption has settled in, to the point where I believe it may take military actions within the walls of our own country, to reverse the damage... If it isn't already too late...
    That goes hand in hand with how a world hegemon operates, a World Order, the rich get richer, the poor get poorer, and the elites reap nearly all the spoils. I'm totally with you there!


    Quote Originally posted by Silly Wabbit View Post
    People are so busy carrying signs for rainbow flags, and which lives matter, rather than dealing with the real issues.. Perhaps they feel incapable of tackling the larger issues so anything helps, but what they're really doing is skating around the one issue that will really make a difference... It is the elephant in the room, creating all the minor issues to redirect focus in my opinion, and people eat it up, as a means of "Feeling good about being involved in some positive change"...
    Well now we're going into the never ending culture war, but I'm only an observer of it, not a participant. That's certainly what one side of the culture war is adamant about, the right wing side of this great war which is also the side Project Avalon has planted their flag on, but that side is blinded by their own hand in it by doing many of the exact same things, like their own version of cancel culture. Much less the endless excuses flowing from that side over the January 6 debacle. "It was Antifa, it wasn't really that big of a deal, etc."

    I wish both sides would drop the divisive bullshit, and focus more on the common enemy that concerns them both.



    Of Note: As related to how this (long) post began, I realize that the thread title was too vague to serve my original intentions for the subject matter, so I've edited the title for a better fit
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    The common enemy ?, whom is this ?, what was the bot n shill % within Twitter ?, more than 35% ?, 25% ?, is high and was targeting the usual suspects = one side, soo how bigger difference ?, one side would appear to be being told how high to jump and most of other side does not engage ( 50% ) or more, i feel nowadays that the angry screaming very victummy ones are a small % and this is being seen of late as the Putrids demise continues.

    Things here be slowand interesting that nowadays a thread like this is happening, sorta an olden days typa thread realllly, feel to say how would one know there be a Cabal, generational families controlllling where able, creating suffering n pain with lack or no compassion n empathy ?, what signs would shine brightly , catch ones attention ?.

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    Added to title part, Demonstrated = ?.

    Control ? yes ?.

    Prescott Bush = ? but his son and grandson become the boss ?. Simple ?.

    Albert Einsteins husband was similar to Michael Obama ?.

    Bay of Pigs was like twin tower happenings and or WMD not found, gosh every war of late was public coerced.

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    Albert Einsteins husband was similar to Michael Obama ?.
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    Indeed Aragorn.

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    So anyway, it's useful to note that just because we may see someone on t.v., or in print speak of a New World Order, it's not an automatic gotcha moment that they must have just let it slip or something. Elites of one stripe or another are ever on the lookout for the next updated version of "The World Order", and it's not at all unusual for them to have differing visions, from different fields of study, on what that may look like. One vision it never is, is the coalescing into one of all the world's governments into what conspiracy theory often refers to. This doesn't mean these world orders are good, but they're not that.

    Every updated version of "The World Order" = "The New World Order". And bear in mind, that title is also synonymous with "The International Order", "The Liberal International Order", etc.:

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    Why the alternative community thinks that George Soros and Klaus Schwab are some evil masterminds?


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