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    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    It seems that one good outcome of this affair is that the true colors, or the underlying rot is now coming to the surface. The leader is giving a nod to the worst behavior and the mob is foaming at the mouth.
    This is true.

    While "Gracy" certainly got what she deserved in being booted on down the road, with leader's insistence, that process did indeed wind up drawing to the surface an underlying rot just looking for a reason. With the long awaited frog marches off to Gitmo still an unfulfilled hunger, this would do.

    But as every coin has two sides, so does this cautionary tale of "as above so below" human nature. There were also the ones more prone to reason and level headedness, and when they saw tar and feathers being traded in for the hangman's rope, they stood and said "Enough!"

    Both sides of this exercise demonstrated who they really are. Perhaps this was "Gracy's" higher purpose all along.
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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    This is true.

    While "Gracy" certainly got what she deserved in being booted on down the road, with leader's insistence, that process did indeed wind up drawing to the surface an underlying rot just looking for a reason.
    We certainly saw the muck get stirred up there, but it is still all there. If the amount has lessened, it is only by an iota.

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    Quote Originally posted by Christian View Post
    We certainly saw the muck get stirred up there, but it is still all there. If the amount has lessened, it is only by an iota.
    Gotta love the pun in that one.
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Gotta love the pun in that one.
    Well, if we're punning. Talk about delusional narcissism? There is more than an iota of that.
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    Oh my. This IS juicy. Fred is Gracy? Gracy was the only member, mod, I could relate to over there. 'She' always made such sense. I guess I will mosey over there and see what the heck happened and the fall out. Much wailing and gnashing of teeth, I guess!

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    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    The connecting Tissue seems to be far-right paranoia.

    I sort of missed that for years, but now it's as clear as day.

    We live in dark times, because this sort of fascist, paranoid thinking is again ascendant and ever more mainstream, much like in the 1930s. The people who were crying "fascism" and "martial law is coming" the loudest were the actual ones that enabled it. Alex Jones would be a prime example of that, but there are many others.

    I hate poking fun at PA, because I still have friends who are members there, but boy, do they have a problem with this sort of thing. It seems the Qanon Nazis are absolutely dominant over there.
    Oh dominant over there, mmm a prisoner swap maybe ? Bill can pick their prisoner, he always had so many Q's for me, lol i joke, few anons there and plenty of researchers and truthers plus know thysurfers, only one Q thread allowed still from what i see when visiting. No Such thing as Qanon of course as its a putrids title missgiven, tisa Q less than ten and the Anons.

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    So Freddie is the ace 'catfisher.' Catfished an entire forum! When you think about it, the members are a self-catfishing lot. They misrepresent themselves, to themselves. When you self describe as noble and pursuing truth, when you are anything but, it amounts to as much, imo.

    Gracy stayed true to form, tried her best to cleave a path right down the middle and exercised much more diplomacy than I ever could or would. Not sure how I would feel if I was Malisa. Gracy misgendered her/himself but was otherwise helpful it seems. In other words, Gracy was never more or less him or herself.

    I have to add that I disagreed with but liked and respected some of the members there and consider what is happening to not only that forum, but many others, pretty damned bleak and doesn't bode well for the future.

    Damn though, the drama. It wore me right out.
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    Quote Originally posted by Aianawa View Post
    No Such thing as Qanon of course as its a putrids title missgiven, tisa Q less than ten and the Anons.
    There was only one Q, i.e. Ron Watkins, the administrator of 8chan, now known as 8kun. There were also posts from Jim Watkins, Ron's father (and owner of 8kun after he bought 8chan from Fredrick Brennan, the original founder), under the identity of Q+.

    Outside of the two of them, there have been a number of Qanon gurus involved in helping spread the fascist ideology conspiracy theory, and most of those people came from the tech industry. The conspiracy theory itself is called Qanon, or sometimes stylized as QAnon. The followers are called Anons.


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    Love that post, Aragorn. Thank you!

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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post





    There was only one Q, i.e. Ron Watkins, the administrator of 8chan, now known as 8kun. There were also posts from Jim Watkins, Ron's father (and owner of 8kun after he bought 8chan from Fredrick Brennan, the original founder), under the identity of Q+.

    Outside of the two of them, there have been a number of Qanon gurus involved in helping spread the fascist ideology conspiracy theory, and most of those people came from the tech industry. The conspiracy theory itself is called Qanon, or sometimes stylized as QAnon. The followers are called Anons.


    Apparently, it's a Q continuum ...

    What a load of tricksters they are...



    But personally, it's not the Qs that worry me, it is their followers. Seems to be a bunch of Nazis, from where I'm standing.

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    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    Apparently, it's a Q continuum ...

    What a load of tricksters they are...



    But personally, it's not the Qs that worry me, it is their followers. Seems to be a bunch of Nazis, from where I'm standing.
    I wholeheartedly agree. But, um, let's try sticking to the topic, shall we? Because this thread is itself already a split-off from another one that it was derailing.
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    I wholeheartedly agree. But, um, let's try sticking to the topic, shall we? Because this thread is itself already a split-off from another one that it was derailing.
    I actually think it's on topic, since Fred / Gracy May's mission apparently was to counteract those voices on the forum, was it not?

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    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    I wholeheartedly agree. But, um, let's try sticking to the topic, shall we? Because this thread is itself already a split-off from another one that it was derailing.
    I actually think it's on topic, since Fred / Gracy May's mission apparently was to counteract those voices on the forum, was it not?
    Well, I'm not going to speak for Fred on account of what he considered his mission to be over there ─ if he even had any mission at all, because I think it was just all a weird sequence of events that "Gracy" ended up being a moderator over there.

    And it was either way long before Q appeared on the scene, because according to what Fred said, he joined up there as Gracy in 2015, and the Q bullshit only started in 2016, as the sequel to a similar act ─ probably by the same individual, albeit anonymously ─ that ran on 4chan for a while.

    This unnamed character pretended to be an FBI insider and was also promoting Donald Trump, as well as selling some shocking racist remarks as if they were scientifically established facts that were loosely quoted from the FBI's training manuals. Among other things, the guy said that if his identity were found out about, then he'd certainly get killed. He also claimed to have information about UFOs and ETs ─ but he "didn't want to go there" when people asked ─ and of course, there was the whole Pizzagate™ bullshit woven in. For the sake of credibility, he also did refute some of the loony conspiracy theories, such as that Michelle Obama would have been a transgender and that Obama's daughters were adopted.

    Anyway, you'll have to ask Fred whether he knows about any of that stuff. Some of it was posted here at the forum by way of screenshots from 4chan, but the screenshots were hosted at Facebook Meta, and the links are now stale. And then a few months later, Q appeared on the scene ─ which makes sense, because the father-and-son duo who perpetrated the Q hoax were moderators from 4chan who were kicked out together with the guy who started 8chan, and 8chan is where Q made his first appearance.
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    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    I actually think it's on topic, since Fred / Gracy May's mission apparently was to counteract those voices on the forum, was it not?
    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Well, I'm not going to speak for Fred on account of what he considered his mission to be over there ─ if he even had any mission at all, because I think it was just all a weird sequence of events that "Gracy" ended up being a moderator over there.
    That's about the size of it. As I described it via PM yesterday to someone from over yonder, what ended up happening with all of this was merely, as Bob Dylan put it, a simple twist of fate.

    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGnhyoP_DSc


    Her only "mission", was simply to keep up with what was going on over there, and that was it. The best I remember it, her presence there the first couple or so years was read only. The only thing that really drew me out into starting to post was the hard Right Wing turn I was seeing take place. So eventually I just couldn't help but start questioning and commenting on it (the same as I do here btw in light of some undying loyalty to U.S. democrats as "the good guys"), and the rest is history.

    Nothing was ever planned, it was just me being me, in trying to point out that there may be more than just one legitimate way to look at things. Or that just because other people may see things differently, doesn't necessarily mean that they have to be branded as "The Others".

    That's a long hard slog here in the States these days under Hatfield and McCoy conditions, but I gave it a shot. And I still will attempt that moving forward.

    Here's a good example of a simple question to an old friend of ours:
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...t=#post1277533
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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    That's about the size of it. As I described it via PM yesterday to someone from over yonder, what ended up happening with all of this was merely, as Bob Dylan put it, a simple twist of fate.

    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGnhyoP_DSc


    Her only "mission", was simply to keep up with what was going on over there, and that was it. The best I remember it, her presence there the first couple or so years was read only. The only thing that really drew me out into starting to post was the hard Right Wing turn I was seeing take place. So eventually I just couldn't help but start questioning and commenting on it (the same as I do here btw in light of some undying loyalty to U.S. democrats as "the good guys"), and the rest is history.

    Nothing was ever planned, it was just me being me, in trying to point out that there may be more than just one legitimate way to look at things. Or that just because other people may see things differently, doesn't necessarily mean that they have to be branded as "The Others".

    That's a long hard slog here in the States these days under Hatfield and McCoy conditions, but I gave it a shot. And I still will attempt that moving forward.

    Here's a good example of a simple question to an old friend of ours:
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/sho...t=#post1277533
    You did good.

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