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    This is my first post here. I put this up on my website as well, but since it's a new one, it does not yet get that much traffic. I post it here as well because I believe in these divisive times it is important that we understand everything about our political parties - on both sides, and the players.


    In the very beginning of this diatribe against the unfair application of laws by elected officials in this Great and Free United States of America, I should make two statements so that you know roughly where I am coming from.

    First, I consider myself to be a Christian. Perhaps not exactly of the type that you might currently sit next to on Sunday, but a believer all the same. But I have no problem with religious beliefs or non-beliefs, of any type.

    And Secondly, while I personally have not identified as anything other than a heterosexual male since birth, I have no problem with your own choices, whatever they might be. That’s why they are called “your” choices. This is not that type of post - it's about the political aspects of life today in the USA.

    What I have a problem with, as outlined here, is any instance in which our Constitution, which seems to ensure us of certain “rights”, is not being followed by our elected officials. And also with the general notion that we can tell American Citizens what to believe or not believe in, in respect to their religious views or sexual orientation choices.

    I am also not an anti-Semitic, and I do not connect the fact that some of these suggested changes from our elected officials, as outlined below, result from anything other than their own choices. Were they attempting to garner votes? Obviously. But perhaps what we should examine even more closely is just how in line the Democrat and Republican leaders actually are, even if they publicly claim to be very different from each other on moral issues.

    What’s one idea that all of our Presidents, of both the Democratic and Republican versions, and the members of House and Senate, again of both parties, can agree upon? That Atheists and Non-Heterosexual are not in conformance
    with the moral values that we wish to uphold as a Nation, and that the laws given to the Biblical Noah should be upheld, and furthermore that we should “Establish Courts/Legal System to Ensure Law Obedience”. What?

    A National Education and Sharing Day is observed annually on the 11th day of the month of Nisan on the Jewish calendar – or 4 days before Passover begins. President Jimmy Carter first inaugurated this day on April 18, 1978.

    How did they accomplish this? By naming it the “Education Day” rather than the “let’s uphold the Biblical Laws as given to Noah Day”.

    Here’s the request from the Congress of the USA to Jimmy Carter:

    PUBLIC LAW 95-262—APR. 17, 1978
    Public Law 95-262 95th Congress
    Joint Resolution Apr. 17. 1978 [HJ. Res. 770]
    Education Day, U.S.A. Designation authorization.

    “To authorize and request the President to issue a proclamation designating April 18, 1978, as “Education Day, P.S.A.”.

    Whereas the Congress recognizes a need for the Nation to set aside on the calendar a day devoted to the importance of education to the lives of its citizens and to the general well-being of the Nation; and Whereas the Lubavitch Movement, which conducts educational activities at more than sixty centers in twenty-eight States as well as around the world, is especially committed to the advancement of education and has proposed the establishment of an “Education Day, U.S.A.”; and Whereas world Jewry marked in 1977 the seventy-fifth birthday of the revered and renowned Jewish leader, the head of the worldwide Lubavitch Movement, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, who proclaimed on that occasion a “Year of Education*’; and Whereas the seventy-sixth birthday of this celebrated spiritual leader will occur on April 18, 1978, thus concluding the year of Lubavitch Movement activities dedicated to the “Year of Education” and the Lubavitcher Rebbe’s milestone birthday: Now, therefore, be it Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the President is authorized and requested to issue a proclamation designating April 18, 1978, as “Education Day, U.S.A.”.

    Approved April 17, 1978. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD, Vol. 124 (1978): Apr. 11, 12, considered and passed House. Apr. 13, considered and passed Senate.

    So just who is Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, and what is his movement all about?

    Menachem Mendel Schneerson encouraged his followers on many occasions to preach the Seven Laws of Noah. Since the 1990s, Orthodox Jewish rabbis from Israel, most notably those affiliated to Chabad-Lubavitch and religious Zionist organizations, have set up a modern Noahide movement.

    These Noahide organizations, led by religious Zionist and Orthodox rabbis, are aimed at non-Jews in order to proselytize among them and commit them to follow the Noahide laws. However, these religious Zionist and Orthodox rabbis that guide the modern Noahide movement, who are often affiliated with the Third Temple movement, are accused of expounding a racist and supremacist ideology which consists in the belief that the Jewish people are God’s chosen nation and racially superior to non-Jews, and mentor Noahides because they believe that the Messianic era will begin with the rebuilding of the Third Temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem to re-institute the Jewish priesthood along with the practice of ritual sacrifices, and the establishment of a Jewish theocracy in Israel, supported by communities of Noahides.

    And our Congress and Presidents are all in agreement on this:

    Democratic President Jimmy Carter first inaugurated this day on April 18, 1978.

    Republican Ronald Reagan, 40th President of the United States: 1981 – 1989
    Proclamation 4921—National Day of Reflection and later National Day of Education.

    Here’s a excerpt from his proclamation, and the joint Congressional resolution:

    “We seek, and steadfastly pursue, the benefits of education. But education must be more than factual enlightenment—it must enrich the character as well as the mind.

    One shining example for people of all faiths of what education ought to be is that provided by the Lubavitch movement, headed by Rabbi Menachem Schneerson, a worldwide spiritual leader who will celebrate his 80th birthday on April 4, 1982. The Lubavitcher Rebbe’s work stands as a reminder that knowledge is an unworthy goal unless it is accompanied by moral and spiritual wisdom and understanding. He has provided a vivid example of the eternal validity of the Seven Noahide Laws, a moral code for all of us regardless of religious faith. May he go from strength to strength.”

    You can see this same mention of Rabbi Schneerson and the Seven Noahide Laws in yearly publications made by every President from Carter to Biden. What? Sounds crazy, right? But true it is.

    Republican President George H.W. Bush
    41st President of the United States: 1989 – 1993
    Proclamation 5956—Education Day, U.S.A., 1989 and 1990
    April 14, 1989

    We find nearly the same words used by every President, here is Bush the fathers:

    “Ethical values are the foundation for civilized society. A society that fails to recognize or adhere to them cannot endure.

    The principles of moral and ethical conduct that have formed the basis for all civilizations come to us, in part, from the centuries-old Seven Noahide Laws. The Noahide Laws are actually seven commandments given to man by God, as recorded in the Old Testament. These commandments include prohibitions against murder, robbery, adultery, blasphemy, and greed, as well as the positive order to establish courts of justice.

    Through the leadership of Rabbi Menachem Schneerson and the worldwide Lubavitch movement, the Noahide Law — and standards of conduct duly derived from them — have been promulgated around the globe.”

    And here’s a mention of this from a dot gov page: March, 1991. “The U.S. Congress officially recognized the Noahide Laws in legislation which was passed by both houses. Congress and the President of the United States, George Bush, indicated in Public Law 102-14, 102nd Congress, that the United States of America was founded upon the Seven Universal Laws of Noah, and that these Laws have been the bedrock of society from the dawn of civilization.”

    How could George H. W. Bush and the Congress sign into law a law which states the USA was founded on anti-blasphemy laws and other strict ancient codes, and that we should set up courts to enforce this?

    Democratic President Bill Clinton also agreed to this, and wrote in his own proclamation of 1995:

    “Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, the Lubavitcher Rebbe, well understood the importance of nurturing the heart along with the mind. Throughout his long and rich life, he believed that the education of our young people would only be successful if it sought to build character as well as intellect, if it taught the lessons of honesty, tolerance, and good citizenship, as well as language, math, and science. ”

    ” This year, let us rededicate ourselves to teaching the love of learning that was championed by Rabbi Schneerson and is strengthened by caring leaders like him throughout our Nation. As we provide our students with the information and practical tools they need, let us also pass on to them the capacity for understanding that can help to give fuller meaning to their lives.”

    Here we see Clinton asking that our children be taught “the lessons of honesty, tolerance, and good citizenship” along with the sciences. Did he even read the Noahide Laws? Because they don’t call for tolerance in regard to religious beliefs nor in regard to sexual preferences or gender choices, as is very clear by the text itself, which I have reproduced below.

    Republican President George W. Bush wrote in his proclamation on Education and Sharing Day 2007:

    “Education and Sharing Day honors The Rebbe and emphasizes our commitment to teach the next generation of Americans the values that make our country strong. The Lubavitcher Rabbi believes that society should ‘make a new commitment to kindness,’ and he helped to establish education and outreach centers offering social service programs and humanitarian aid around the world.”

    Does this sound something like a canned script that is confirmed by both houses of Congress and then signed by every sitting President? It does to me – because the language is nearly identical in mentioning the Rebbe and Noahide Laws no matter which year it was written it in or which President proclaimed it.

    Democratic President Barack Obama wrote in his proclamation on Education & Sharing Day 2009:

    “Few have better understood or more successfully promoted these ideas than Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, the Lubavitcher Rebbe, who emphasized the importance of education and good character. Through the establishment of educational and social service institutions across the country and the world, Rabbi Schneerson sought to empower young people and inspire individuals of all ages. On this day, we raise his call anew.”

    Oh, but surely the Champion of Justice, the one who was elected to drain the swamp and change the attitudes and the traditionally held views of the President of the United States,
    could not agree to this? Surely he would be different? But, sadly, he was not.

    Republican President Donald Trump wrote in his proclamation on Education & Sharing Day 2017:

    “Education and Sharing Day recognizes the remarkable efforts of Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, the Lubavitcher Rebbe, to use values-based education to drive our Nation’s children toward the American Dream. As an educator, Rabbi Schneerson understands that education is incomplete if it is devoid of moral development. Working through a spirit of optimism, he strives to teach children to be honest, civil, respectful of differences, and self-disciplined, in addition to being intellectually rigorous.”

    OK. But now we have Joe Biden. The one who absolutely did not copy anything that Trump did, and who works very hard to change things back to the way they should have been, prior to Trump, would straighten this out once and for all? No.

    Democratic President Joe Biden wrote in his proclamation on Education and Sharing Day 2021:

    “We are at our best when we work together and help our neighbors, whether down the road or around the world. This lesson is at the heart of Education and Sharing Day, U.S.A., when we celebrate the role models, mentors, and leaders who devote themselves to the progress and success of each new generation, to reinforcing our common bonds, and to lifting up our highest ideals. ” And Biden continues with: “Today, we mark the legacy of Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, the Lubavitcher Rebbe, a guiding light of In Lemon v. Kurtzman (1971), the Court established a three-pronged test for laws dealing with religious establishment. To be constitutional a statute must have “a secular legislative purpose,” it must have principal effects that neither advance nor inhibit religion, and it must not foster “an excessive government entanglement with religion.”

    The Schempp family brought a lawsuit that led to a 1963 ruling by the Supreme Court in Abington School District v. Schempp. It banned bible reading and the recitation of The Lord’s Prayer in public schools, saying that it violated the First Amendment’s establishment clause requiring separation of church and state.

    In County of Allegheny v. American Civil Liberties Union (1989), a group of justices led by Justice Anthony M. Kennedy in his dissent developed a coercion test: the government does not violate the establishment clause unless it provides direct aid to religion in a way that would tend to establish a state church or involve citizens in religion against their will.

    In McCreary County v. American Civil Liberties Union (2005), the Court ruled that the display of the Ten Commandments in two Kentucky courtrooms was unconstitutional.

    Questions involving appropriate use of government funds are increasingly subject to the neutrality test, which requires the government to treat religious groups the same as it would any other similarly situated group.

    Even though the word neutrality does not appear in the Lemon test, many scholars and judges have interpreted the test’s commands to mean that government must be neutral in matters of religion — that is, laws and government actions should have a secular purpose, should neither advance nor inhibit religion, and should not foster an excessive entanglement with religion. Over the years, various justices have tinkered with and criticized the Lemon test, but the Court has never overruled it. and a testament to the power and resilience of the human spirit. A witness to some of the 20th century’s darkest events and greatest tragedies, he devoted his life to bringing healing by advancing justice, compassion, inclusivity, and fellowship worldwide. A tireless advocate for students of all ages, he sought to foster exchange, understanding, and unity among all people. ”

    Please remember his comments about “reinforcing our common bonds and lifting up our highest ideals” when we examine the actual Noahide Laws below.

    So the only difference is that he now calls it “Education and Sharing Day, U.S.A”, but the same Noahide Laws are mentioned as being the core to our “highest ideals”. And he is not speaking of our personal ideals, but rather the National ideals that we should uphold.

    I believe that it is worth reproducing the actual LAW here, so that we can confirm that what is being extended each year, by every President, and continually agreed to by all of our Presidents of both parties as well as the Congress, does indeed relate to the ancient “Laws of Noah”.

    PUBLIC LAW 102-14—MAR. 20, 1991
    Public Law 102-14
    102d Congress Joint Resolution
    Mar. 20, 1991
    [H.J. Res. 104]
    To designate March 26, 1991, as “Education Day, U.S.A.”.
    Whereas Congress recognizes the historical tradition of ethical values and principles which are the basis of civilized society and upon which our great Nation was founded;
    Whereas these ethical values and principles have been the bedrock of society from the dawn of civilization, when they were known as the Seven Noahide Laws;
    Whereas without these ethical values and principles the edifice of civilization stands in serious peril of returning to chaos;
    Whereas society is profoundly concerned with the recent weakening of these principles that has resulted in crises that beleaguer and threaten the fabric of civilized society;
    Whereas the justified preoccupation with these crises must not let the citizens of this Nation lose sight of their responsibility to transmit these historical ethical values from our distinguished past to the generations of the future;
    Wherea the Lubavitch movement has fostered and promoted these ethical values and principles throughout the world;
    Whereas Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, leader of the
    Lubavitch movement, is universally respected and revered and his eighty-ninth birthday falls on March 26,1991;
    Whereas in tribute to this great spiritual leader, “the rebbe”, this, his ninetieth year will be seen as one of “education and giving”, the year in which we turn to education and charity to return the
    world to the moral and ethical values contained in the Seven
    Noahide Laws; and Whereas this will be reflected in an international scroll of honor signed by the President of the United States and other heads of state:
    Now, therefore, be it
    Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the
    United States of America in Congress assembled, That March 26,
    PUBLIC LAW 102-14—MAR. 20, 1991, 105 STAT. 45 1991,
    the start of the ninetieth year of Rabbi Menachem Schneerson, leader of the worldwide Lubavitch movement, is designated as “Education Day, U.S.A.”. The President is requested to issue a proclamation calling upon the people of the United States to observe such day with appropriate ceremonies and activities.
    Approved March 20, 1991

    It certainly must be nice for Congress to mention your birthday when they pass a Law that is then approved by the sitting President.

    What are these “bedrocks of society”, the Seven Noahid Laws all about?

    Noahide Laws, also called Noachian Laws, are a Jewish Talmudic designation for seven biblical laws given to Adam and to Noah before the revelation to Moses on Mt. Sinai and consequently binding on all mankind. Beginning with Genesis 2:16, the Babylonian Talmud listed the first six commandments as prohibitions against idolatry, blasphemy, murder, adultery, and robbery and the positive command to establish courts of justice (with all that this implies). After the Flood a seventh commandment, given to Noah, forbade the eating of flesh cut from a living animal (Genesis 9:4).

    These were held to be the basic statutes safeguarding monotheism and guaranteeing proper ethical conduct in society. And apparently anyone who observed these laws as one “assured of a portion in the world to come.” Which would mean that those who do not obey these laws would not be assured of a portion of the world to follow.

    If you still think that there is actually a difference between what we the people are being fed, by the elected officials from two political parties that are supposedly quite different in nature, or that “this President” or “that one” is any different than all the others, then perhaps you need to read the above one more time. Even the wordage is nearly the same, as if they are simply acknowledging their own agreement to a statement of faith and moral conduct that was produced by those outside of the elected Government of the United States. Because that’s exactly what they are doing.

    And now on to the famous Noahide Laws which are now part of our own Federal Statutes, as you saw above:

    The seven Noachide laws, as traditionally enumerated are:

    1. Do Not Deny God
    2. Do Not Blaspheme God
    3. Do Not Murder
    4. Do Not Engage in Incestuous, Adulterous or Homosexual Relationships.
    5. Do Not Steal
    6. Do Not Eat of a Live Animal
    7. Establish Courts/Legal System to Ensure Law Obedience
    Sources: Encyclopaedia Judaica. © 2008 The Gale Group. All Rights Reserved

    I used the Encyclopaedia Judaica as a source for the laws, but they are nearly word for word identical in all of the reproduced versions.

    1. Do Not Deny God. So Atheists, Witches, Sons of Odin, Buddhists, Hindu, Native American spiritualism, etc., are not accepted. And since “God” refers exclusively to Jehovah/Yahweh, and not to any of the other Pagan gods or religious beliefs, those people need not apply either.

    2. Do Not Blaspheme God. So if you happen to be one of those that fall into category number 1 above, or those who do, indeed, Deny Jehovah/Yahwey, then you had best keep your thoughts to yourself.

    3., 5., 6., are “laws” that most people would obey without having to be ordered to do so by the U.S. Congress and the sitting President.

    But oh my! Number 4 is a real stinker! What happened to all of the promises by various Presidents and members of Congress that gender choice and Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender & Intersex choices, and all of the other various lifestyle options that all Americans are now (supposedly) being allowed to either enjoy or ignore as we wish?

    Actually, Number 1 is also a real stinker for the tens of millions of Americans who have decided that the God of the Old Testament is not their personal choice.

    But, of course, we have Freedom of Religion and a separation of Church and State guaranteed to us by our Constitution, right? Well, yes and no.

    Establishment Clause (Separation of Church and State)

    The first clause in the Bill of Rights states that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.”

    For approximately the first 150 years of the country’s existence, there was little debate over the meaning of this clause in the Constitution. As the citizenry became more diverse, however, challenges arose to existing laws and practices, and eventually, the Supreme Court was called upon to determine the meaning of the establishment clause.

    The most famous use of the metaphor was by Thomas Jefferson in his 1802 letter to the Danbury Baptist Association. In it, Jefferson declared that when the American people adopted the establishment clause they built a “wall of separation between the church and state.”

    It was not until after World War II that the Supreme Court interpreted the meaning of the establishment clause.

    In Lemon v. Kurtzman (1971), the Supreme Court established a three-pronged test for laws dealing with religious establishment. To be constitutional a statute must have “a secular legislative purpose,” it must have principal effects that neither advance nor inhibit religion, and it must not foster “an excessive government entanglement with religion.”

    The Schempp family brought a lawsuit that led to a 1963 ruling by the Supreme Court in Abington School District v. Schempp. It banned bible reading and the recitation of The Lord’s Prayer in public schools, saying that it violated the First Amendment’s establishment clause requiring separation of church and state.

    In County of Allegheny v. American Civil Liberties Union (1989), a group of justices led by Justice Anthony M. Kennedy in his dissent developed a coercion test: the government does not violate the establishment clause unless it provides direct aid to religion in a way that would tend to establish a state church or involve citizens in religion against their will.

    In McCreary County v. American Civil Liberties Union (2005), the Court ruled that the display of the Ten Commandments in two Kentucky courtrooms was unconstitutional.

    Questions involving appropriate use of government funds are increasingly subject to the neutrality test, which requires the government to treat religious groups the same as it would any other similarly situated group.

    Even though the word neutrality does not appear in the Lemon test, many scholars and judges have interpreted the test’s commands to mean that government must be neutral in matters of religion — that is, laws and government actions should have a secular purpose, should neither advance nor inhibit religion, and should not foster an excessive entanglement with religion. Over the years, various justices have tinkered with and criticized the Lemon test, but the Court has never overruled it.

    You may have noticed the escape clause that our Congress and Presidents are apparently using in order to pass Laws that seem to be contrary to our own Constitution. Yes, it’s the fact that their Federal laws apparently do not involve the appropriation of Government funds, and that they have not (yet) Established the Courts/Legal Systems to Ensure the Laws Obedience. But things will probably become rather bad for many Americans once they do so, since the Noahide Laws do call for punishments for those who disobey. What, punishments? Yes, severe ones.

    Even though the Talmud and Maimonides stipulate that a non-Jew who violated the Noachide laws was liable to capital punishment [death], contemporary authorities have expressed the view that this is only the maximal punishment. According to this view, in Noachide law death is the maximal punishment, to be enforced only in exceptional cases. So hopefully yours will be “judged” to be a less than “exceptional” case. Hopefully.

    So even though the Law has been passed by the Congress – both the House and Senate, and reaffirmed each year, by every sitting President, in writing, from Carter through Biden, this published Federal Law may never be enforced. It could be though. But then if it is, only exceptional cases will be punished by death. Not yours, surely. Hopefully.

    Whenever we are called upon to examine and choose between two flavors, almost like when we were children and we chose between chocolate and vanilla for ice-cream cones, but in this case for whom among the Democrat or Republican candidates we will elect as the leader of the free world, perhaps we should take this report into account. And understand that, no matter what they say, neither party seems to actually have the safety and liberty of its citizens in mind, all the time.

    I felt somewhat dull, and naive when I discovered the above. I'm all about being a team player, and I was surprised to learn that there are only two teams in reality - us and the politicians.

    Your own comments would be appreciated. Thank you for your time.

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    Hey Jim,

    Welcome, nice of you to join us over here.

    I've read some of your posts on the Nephilim, pretty interesting.

    I'm not sure any discussion on US politics is going to generate much interest over here to be honest...

    Personally, I would much rather get into a discussion on the nature of gods and angels, fallen angels, the watchers and whatnot, which seems to be your speciality.

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    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    Hey Jim,

    Welcome, nice of you to join us over here.

    I've read some of your posts on the Nephilim, pretty interesting.

    I'm not sure any discussion on US politics is going to generate much interest over here to be honest...

    Personally, I would much rather get into a discussion on the nature of gods and angels, fallen angels, the watchers and whatnot, which seems to be your speciality.
    Thank you - glad to be here. Point taken - but this is my only thread that I have ever done or will do on politics. I'll see what I can dig up on the watchers, fallen etc.

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    I'll add another to TOT Jim!

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    Thank you kind sir.

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    Quote Originally posted by Jim Duyer View Post
    Thank you kind sir.
    I would like to welcome you as well. May not say much.
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    Quote Originally posted by modwiz View Post
    I would like to welcome you as well. May not say much.
    I was looking over a few old posts to see what comments had been made in the past by someone that I am researching for a chapter in a book. And I noticed your own replies. And I noted that you don't say much. Ha Ha.
    So that's great and thanks for the welcome. Jim

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    Quote Originally posted by Jim Duyer View Post
    I was looking over a few old posts to see what comments had been made in the past by someone that I am researching for a chapter in a book. And I noticed your own replies.
    Am I reading that correctly? You are researching a member of this forum with the intent of writing a chapter about them in a book?
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Am I reading that correctly? You are researching a member of this forum with the intent of writing a chapter about them in a book?
    Not at all. Someone that I have exchanged email with, whom I have provided info on a UFO crash event, gave me some tips on the topic. I'm sorry but I am a cautious person. I don't take anything as gospel that I have not personally verified. Otherwise I don't and can't use it. In attempting to decide which side of the UFO scene he was on, I looked at everything that I could find that he wrote, on a great many forums. I just happened, when I came on this one, to notice that he had at one time posted here as well.
    There are, in my personal opinion, many agents of intelligence bureaus posing as Ufologists. I am not a Ufologist, nor an agent, but I need to know which pieces of evidence are real. I have found a few honest ones, but they all have on thing in common - they are not very popular, not rich, did not make money or much fame. They just tell the truth. Those are the ones I feel I can trust a bit more.

    I have not and have never had any intention of putting him or anyone in a book. Some of his clues, that he furnished to me openly, after I told him that I was writing a chapter on it, I will look at further to see if I might include them in a chapter or not. Lots of what I am told I have to discard, if I cannot independently verify it.
    And if I did put anything that someone gave me in a book it would be with proper credits and a link to their site or whatever. Writing is my hobby. I have a few books out, and several in progress. Posting on a forum provides me with other ways to look at subjects - since in most cases my own ideas do not agree fully with the generally accepted history as given.

    This person made a few posts here but is no longer a member, I believe. I won't speak ill of anyone, and I won't name names. I'm still on the fence about part of what I was told by this person.
    No, I did not come here with any intent. I read on another forum that a certain poster had left, and I was curious, since I thought that his posts were interesting. It turns out he came here, so I did as well. I like to be around people that seem to have moral fibre and are not afraid to stand up for what they believe, even if it does not agree with what I believe. We already have too many people who merely vomit out what someone else said - original thinkers and posters with original ideas are refreshing.
    As a side note, I was not being false when I said that I live in a cabin in the mountains and don't have much contact with other Americans. I've lived in Costa Rica for the past 24 years. For example, when people mention Project Camelot, I have no idea what that means. I can look it up, but right at this time I have no clue. I did not follow the UFO ideas until a few years ago when I translated a message that was part of the Fast Burst Transmission from Arecibo. I also did not know very much at all about Dr Greer, but I did know that at one time he was offering to introduce people to UFOs with the payment of some $100 or so, so I know a phoney when I see one. I'm learning, but I like to learn using my own evidence, as it comes up.
    Sorry to cause any panic. You can check out my website at www paleoaliens com to see some of my work if you wish. Jim

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    Quote Originally posted by Jim Duyer View Post
    Someone that I have exchanged email with, whom I have provided info on a UFO crash event, gave me some tips on the topic. I'm sorry but I am a cautious person. I don't take anything as gospel that I have not personally verified. Otherwise I don't and can't use it. In attempting to decide which side of the UFO scene he was on, I looked at everything that I could find that he wrote, on a great many forums. I just happened, when I came on this one, to notice that he had at one time posted here as well.
    If this person is whom I think it is, then there is an interview that we did with him in this section of the forum, and then this person has also recently returned to an active member status over at Project Avalon ─ he does use a different screen name over there, though.

    Quote Originally posted by Jim Duyer View Post
    There are, in my personal opinion, many agents of intelligence bureaus posing as Ufologists.
    Not as many as you might think, but instead, there are many narcissists and other charlatans out there pretending to be ufologists, contactees, abductees and/or spiritual teachers. And unfortunately, this field of research also appears to attract a great many individuals with severe mental problems and/or substance addictions. Trust me, we've seen them all pass through our little Shire over the years.

    It has become very difficult ─ if not impossible ─ to still separate the grain from the chaff. In fact, it has become so difficult that I myself now more or less dismiss out of hand anything that gets posted on YouTube. YouTube used to be a video sharing platform, but nowadays it is primarily a make-money-fast platform full of opinionated talking heads pretending to be researchers and/or journalists. And then there are the propagandists and the wannabe cult leaders.



    Quote Originally posted by Jim Duyer View Post
    I am not a Ufologist, nor an agent, but I need to know which pieces of evidence are real. I have found a few honest ones, but they all have on thing in common - they are not very popular, not rich, did not make money or much fame. They just tell the truth. Those are the ones I feel I can trust a bit more.
    Yes, but even then you still have to practise discernment. The person in question could be telling the truth from their own perspective, but that doesn't mean that what they are saying would actually be the truth. Here again I am referring to people with mental illnesses and/or people who indulge in substance abuse, and we've had some of those as members over here as well.

    Quote Originally posted by Jim Duyer View Post
    I have not and have never had any intention of putting him or anyone in a book. Some of his clues, that he furnished to me openly, after I told him that I was writing a chapter on it, I will look at further to see if I might include them in a chapter or not. Lots of what I am told I have to discard, if I cannot independently verify it.
    I agree with the caution in your approach.

    Quote Originally posted by Jim Duyer View Post
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    I also did not know very much at all about Dr Greer, but I did know that at one time he was offering to introduce people to UFOs with the payment of some $100 or so, so I know a phoney when I see one. I'm learning, but I like to learn using my own evidence, as it comes up.
    Steven Greer has been compromised by the spooks a long time ago already. He's quite a narcissist and he had a couple of secrets that he didn't want his family and his colleagues finding out about. So the spooks set him up with a hidden camera in a hotel room, and ever since then he's been singing quite a different tune on account of the truth regarding past and present extraterrestrial contact.

    The person whom I was referring to higher up can tell you a thing or two about how and where Steven Greer gets his information, but if you've been in contact with this person yourself, then what I'm telling you may already be old news to you.
    = DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR =

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    Yes, he is a very nice person and helpful. I'm just exercising my normal caution. I once held a Top Secret SPECAT clearance as a Navy Radioman and Cryptographer, (50 years ago) so I look for certain clues as to how someone could be still walking around and yet talking. So far so good.

    I agree with your comments above. I distrust Youtube immensely, and Greer I was aware of, but
    not all the details until recently. I am aware of the honey trap he fell into, at least the connotations
    of it. Thanks.

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