Hell man it's already over, just a matter of time. The only big question is will the US neocons allow that to happen without taking the stakes all the way up to WW3.
Perhaps you are correct because I just don't know and let's assume that you are.
Then what would happen if Ukraine really loses? This is a dangerous game.
Originally posted by Lord Sidious
WHEN it collapses, it will be because of finances, not any other single reason.
The rest is a distraction for the nuggets............
Would that be a controlled collapse or a natural one?
Originally posted by Diabolical Boids
Lol. Yes they will. We have a shite military. And then there won't be any resources to prop it up.
Oh really? The last time I checked the US military industrial complex was far superior compared to anything else. That's the only really "great" thing about the United Corporations of America. The US military could wipe the floor with both the Russian and Chinese armies, although China has the numbers. Not much else, maybe some chemical agents too. There could be smaller conflicts, but there is always the nuclear deterrence. What is going to stop the potential escalation? There can be only proxy wars between these countries, because otherwise they are going to increase the risk of a global war too much.
If other nations don't have resources to fill the void why is the US always pilfering in other nations for their resources?
Partially to prop up the crumbling empire, partially to deny resources to anyone else.
Originally posted by Diabolical Boids
The biggest resource America has right now is the cooperation of the West. The British Empire began to collapse when nations began pulling out of the empire. India, etc. The days of old nobility running the show in the UK came in the advance of that. By design or accident. It seems like the fastest way to end the American empire would for the UK, Poland, Australia to retract from the empire? If history serves as a primer.
The empire didn't collapse, it had a political restructuring. Instead of being one entity, it's now like a franchise arrangement.
Originally posted by Diabolical Boids
It sounds like a confidence game. Like the US dollar. The western alliance has no monetary value, just the confidence invested in it. A con game. They are called proxy nations for a reason. Did we get there because we were already part of the Empire before we became the Empire? I know our military installations in Europe are not because of an invasion--that would have hit the news some, somewhere. I find it hard to believe we invaded Poland militarily and no one objected. They are joint operations. We are there with the agreement of the host nation. The leases are hugely profitable to the host nation. That's the only value I see. Having an American army in your nation ready to defend it may have had some value decades back but not now.
You were always part of the anglo saxon empire, trapped in debt from the day of the declaration of independance.
Originally posted by Diabolical Boids
We can blame America the geographic location when America is all over the place in the West; just not within the confines of the fifty states. I guess that could be a distraction for nuggets too. And admitting you live in America while inhabiting a flat on a cobbled street in a 400-year-old building with a pub in the lobby, and having with tea, scones, blood pudding for brekkie might be a little hard to swallow but isn't that is that is what is being said when referring to proxy nations of the west? Without actually coming out and saying it. You live in America now.
I know the UK and Germany are mirroring the economic collapse America the geographic location is . I haven't heard much about Australia situation is like.
Trying to stay afloat, like most.
Originally posted by Diabolical Boids
I know other nations in the west are mirroring the economic fall the US has. But they aren't undergoing some sort of sociological collapse as well?
It all follows the ''money'' and/or the lack of............
Originally posted by Diabolical Boids
And we could have all the toys that money and technology can buy.
You could also have top grade medical, transport and every other form of tech a nation needs, but not both. It's either the war machine, or not...........
Originally posted by Diabolical Boids
We might be fooling some of the world, but we aren't fooling China or Russia or even the Ukraine. Our military is in shambles. We could build all the toys needed but who is going to man them if I may be so politically incorrect to say so.
The only people fooled are the fools watching tv/movies thinking it's real.
Originally posted by Diabolical Boids
We haven't built a carrier since 2017.
I believe there are 2 being built right now
Originally posted by Diabolical Boids
Russia knows how woeful our military is. So does China. Especially since it's degraded drastically over the last two years due to vaccine mandates and wokeness. China and Russia haven't experienced a sudden decay of its military mores or hardware. Discipline, battle readiness, physically and mentally fit to serve. Standards have fallen here. Those able and battle ready don't want to enlist with people who aren't mentally able or battle ready. Our military is aware of how woeful it is. Battle ready means mean toxic masculinity now.
Bearing in mind the level of toughness needed to live in the old USSR, todays Russia and China, their infantry is way tougher than any western equivilant and have been for many years. In hand to hand combat, any of us would get our arses handed to us.
Originally posted by Diabolical Boids
Russia would hand our ass to us. There is no doubt China would. But seasoned veterans make more sense because they are battle ready in a way our military now is not.
I think any conflict between the west and the east will be short and decisive.
Originally posted by Diabolical Boids
Maybe we can struggle along with technological and digital remote wars or biological wars but our conventional boots on the ground, ships at sea military is shit. It's riding on its laurels and Top Gun propaganda apparently. And every honest veteran in the US will tell you the same. The American war machine seems to be convincing propaganda, but it hasn't convinced Russia or even the Ukraine.
There is no alternative to infantry as they are the only ones that can hold ground, if it is that type of war. Long range wars may come, but conquest wars can't be long range.
Much of the prowess of your forces is holywood invention with some help from the propogandists.
Originally posted by Diabolical Boids
I don't know they will inform the world. The world will know well before the US admits they can't honor the bonds. It will still be churning out pro US propaganda and claim that its inability to honor bonds are lies made up by other nations. People who hate our freedoms!
That's possible, but I think the shockwaves will buffet the world economy too much for it to be hidden.
Originally posted by Wind
Would that be a controlled collapse or a natural one?
None of this is natural, it's all controlled to a degree.
Originally posted by Wind
Oh really? The last time I checked the US military industrial complex was far superior compared to anything else.
The capacity is, however, don't forget that publicly listed companies are usually not 100% owned by the nations of origin.
Originally posted by Wind
That's the only really "great" thing about the United Corporations of America. The US military could wipe the floor with both the Russian and Chinese armies, although China has the numbers.
Turn off the tv. In reality, the us forces would not last long against their combined enemies.
Who do you think makes a lot of the tech for the us forces?
China.
Originally posted by Wind
Not much else, maybe some chemical agents too. There could be smaller conflicts, but there is always the nuclear deterrence. What is going to stop the potential escalation? There can be only proxy wars between these countries, because otherwise they are going to increase the risk of a global war too much.
They have many things the us doesn't.
Hypersonic missiles that can't be intercepted.
Anti sub drones.
Potentially on the verge of deployment, mobile rail guns.
Stealth aircraft that can actually fly!
Hell man it's already over, just a matter of time. The only big question is will the US neocons allow that to happen without taking the stakes all the way up to WW3.
Originally posted by Wind
Perhaps you are correct because I just don't know and let's assume that you are.
Then what would happen if Ukraine really loses? This is a dangerous game.
You're darn tootin it's a dangerous game, IMO this is the most dangerous game ever played.
So here's the thing. Until you fully understand that this is nothing about Ukraine, and everything about using them as a battering ram to try and destroy Russia in a great power power play, the people from the "The Guardian" and such are going to keep on making sense. The neocons of the West, and of course especially those of their master the United States, could not give less of a shit about the people of Ukraine. They're the sacrificial lamb, same as the people of Taiwan who are planned to be the next sacrificial lamb because China's next, and sometimes they're feeling arrogant enough to just come on out and say it.
Unless the neocons just can't help themselves and continue with the escalation escalator, nothing will happen when Ukraine loses except that a bunch of little wormy neocons will have lost a whole lot of face before the entire world. It never had to come to this that the country had to be wrecked, but Zelensky the puppet was never allowed to compromise, and Putin will have done what he had to do to keep it from going NATO.
You're darn tootin it's a dangerous game, IMO this is the most dangerous game ever played.
So here's the thing. Until you fully understand that this is nothing about Ukraine, and everything about using them as a battering ram to try and destroy Russia in a great power power play, the people from the "The Guardian" and such are going to keep on making sense.
There it is, all boiled down into a simple precis.
Well done nugg, this is exactly correct................