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    So this is what we've learned. And I'm going to run through this again.
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    No one has a claim to a moral high ground, there's no division between past and present,
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    Prague is in Budapest, it is the job of secret agencies everywhere to fight ideological and psychological wars,
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    even if they might sometimes be disliked by some people for it, some measures are lawful but unjust while others are humane but unlawful,
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    the dissidents spied for Fascists, the CIA and the Internet, the dissidents brought about the collapse of the Soviet Union, but they were crazy,
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    political power belongs with bureaucrats, and all countries are basically the same.

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    Quote Originally posted by Chuckie View Post
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    So this is what we've learned. And I'm going to run through this again.
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    Prague is in Budapest
    What is that meant to mean?
    Ní siocháin go saoirse

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    Quote Originally posted by Lord Sidious View Post
    What is that meant to mean?
    exactly ... nothing actually, but it is the Russian propagandist's description of 'dissidence'. Or the journalist Masha Gessen was just misstating when she noted it. Historically those two geographical areas were the focus of 'justified' brutal crackdowns on 'crazy traitors'.

    The text was grabbed from that point in the video. It might make more sense if it is watched.

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    Zelenskky: Russian offensive in eastern Ukraine has begun

    Russia launched its long-feared, full-scale offensive to take control of Ukraine’s east, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy announced Monday.

    “Now we can already state that the Russian troops have begun the battle for the Donbas,” he said in a video address. Zelenskyy said a “significant part of the entire Russian army is now concentrated on this offensive.”

    The Donbas is Ukraine’s mostly Russian-speaking industrial heartland in the east, where Moscow-backed separatists have been fighting Ukrainian forces for the past eight years and have declared two independent republics that have been recognized by Russia.

    In recent weeks, the Kremlin declared the capture of the Donbas its main goal of the war after its attempt to storm Kyiv failed. After withdrawing from the capital, it began regrouping and reinforcing its ground troops in the east for what could be a climactic battle.

    “No matter how many Russian troops are driven there, we will fight,” Zelenskyy vowed. “We will defend ourselves. We will do it every day.”

    The Ukraine military’s general staff said Russian forces Monday were increasing assaults in the Luhansk and Donetsk regions — both of which are part of the Donbas — as well as in the area of Zaporizhzhia.

    It also said Russia was sending reinforcements to the Crimean Peninsula — seized from Ukraine in 2014 — and to the Rostov-on-Don area, which borders Ukraine.

    Witnesses in key cities Kharkiv and Bakhmut near the front line saw no immediate sign of increased military activity there. Associated Press journalists reported hearing distant artillery fire in some areas, but that has happened sporadically for weeks.

    The announcement from Zelenskyy came as Russia bombarded the western city of Lviv and a multitude of other targets across Ukraine in what appeared to be an intensified bid to grind down the country’s defenses.

    At least seven people were reported killed in the missile strikes on Lviv, a city close to the Polish border that has seen only sporadic attacks during almost two months of war and has become a haven for civilians fleeing the fighting elsewhere. To the Kremlin’s increasing anger, Lviv has also become a major gateway for NATO-supplied weapons.

    In other developments, a few thousand Ukrainian troops, by Russia’s estimate, remained holed up at a mammoth steel mill in Mariupol, the last known pocket of resistance in the devastated southern port city.

    And Zelenskyy submitted a filled-out questionnaire in the first step toward obtaining membership in the European Union — a desire that has been a source of tension with Moscow for years.

    The Russian attack on Lviv hit three military infrastructure facilities and an auto shop, according to the region’s governor, Maksym Kozytskyy. He said the wounded included a child.

    A Lviv hotel sheltering Ukrainians who had fled the fighting in other parts of the country was also badly damaged, Mayor Andriy Sadovyi said. The city has seen its population swell with elderly people, mothers and children trying to escape the war.

    “The nightmare of war has caught up with us even in Lviv,” said Lyudmila Turchak, who fled with two children from the eastern city of Kharkiv. “There is no longer anywhere in Ukraine where we can feel safe.”

    Lviv, the biggest city and a major transportation hub in western Ukraine, is about 80 kilometers (50 miles) from Poland, a NATO member.

    Russia has strongly complained about the increasing flow of Western weapons to Ukraine and warned that such aid could have consequences. On Russian state media, some anchors have charged that the supplies amount to direct Western engagement in the fight against Russia.

    A powerful explosion also rocked Vasylkiv, a town south of the capital of Kyiv that is home to an air base, according to residents. It was not immediately clear what was struck.

    Kharkiv, Ukraine’s second-largest city, was hit by shelling that killed at least three people, according to Associated Press journalists on the scene. One of the dead was a woman who appeared to be going out to collect water in the rain. She was found with a water canister and an umbrella by her side.

    Military analysts say Russia was increasing its strikes on weapons factories, railroads and other infrastructure ahead of its assault on the Donbas.

    Moscow said its missiles struck more than 20 military targets in eastern and central Ukraine in the past day, including ammunition depots, command headquarters and groups of troops and vehicles.

    It also reported that its artillery hit an additional 315 Ukrainian targets and that warplanes conducted 108 strikes on troops and military equipment. The claims could not be independently verified.

    Gen. Richard Dannatt, a former head of the British Army, told Sky News that Russia is waging a “softening-up” campaign ahead of the Donbas offensive.

    A senior U.S. defense official, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss the Pentagon’s assessments of the war, said there are now 76 Russian combat units, known as battalion tactical groups, in eastern and southern Ukraine, up from 65 last week.

    That could translate to around 50,000 to 60,000 troops, based on what the Pentagon said at the start of the war was the typical unit strength of 700 to 800 soldiers, but the numbers are difficult to pinpoint at this stage in the fighting.

    The official also said that four U.S. cargo flights arrived in Europe on Sunday with an initial delivery of weapons and other materials for Ukraine as part of a $800 million package announced by Washington last week. And training of Ukrainian personnel on U.S. 155 mm howitzers is set to begin in the next several days.

    The capture of Mariupol, where Ukraine estimates 21,000 people have been killed, is seen as key, and not just because it would deprive Ukraine of a vital port and complete a land bridge between Russia and the Crimean Peninsula.

    The U.S. defense official said that if Russian forces succeed in taking full control of Mariupol, that could free up nearly a dozen battalion tactical groups for use elsewhere in the Donbas.

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    Sometimes God shines his magic light beam from outer space, and it works in mysterious ways.

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    Quote Originally posted by PurpleLama View Post
    gawd ... If he who shall remain unnamed had not extorted Ukraine and withheld aid ... these people are flat out f*cked in the head. Obama's administration sent mega amounts of weapons and supplies to Ukraine ... but didn't give them nukes. Is that what these people are suggesting. They are either seriously misinformed or mentally ill. How can anyone that knows their ass from their nose not know better than this.

    They have seriously no ... none, zippo, nada ken about international politics and strategic game playing (from the perspective of probability e.g. game theory... a mathematical theory field that came to fruition after the development of nuclear weapons ... it was initially used in testing framework called 'The Monte Carlo method'. People this stupid should be muzzled ... let's call it canceled.

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    The true Dumb-ass/butcher of the Donbas region ...



    Vladimir declares city 'liberated'

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    Quote Originally posted by Gio View Post
    Ouch ...

    As appropriately described: feral

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    So where was the nazi problem? Pot, meet kettle.


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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Personally, I don't believe that the UK would still hold that much power. They are certainly not without it either ─ MI5/6 is still quite active ─ but at present time, they are suffering the big backlash of Brexit, which has cost them most of their sway on the European mainland.

    Elsewhere in the world, the CIA and the US military-industrial complex have already long ago supplanted the British crown as the man behind the curtain, and especially so because the USA is an actively expanding empire, whereas the former British and French empires have already long been on the decline due to internal issues ─ something the US empire has always paid far less attention to than said aforementioned former empires. It is rather my belief that whatever international sway the British still hold would be because they themselves are being used as assets by the USA.
    Britain is the founding company. The US became a franchisee. The U.S became more powerful than the original owner and essentially bought out the original founding company.

    It so resembles Ray Kroc and his relationship with the original Macdonald owners. Ray Kroc was more wiley, and understood the power of leverage, (in this case owning the physical real estate of his franchisees) to maintain quality control.

    In the case of the U.S. the leverage they apply to maintain 'quality control' is forcing their franchisees to use the reserve currency, the dollar, or risk being shut down. Nice way of saying, bombed to oblivion.

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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    I wouldn't be so sure of that. Putin doesn't bluff. On the contrary, what he says he's going to do is always a softened version of what he will effectively do. The West called his bluff on his threat to invade Ukraine, and the West lost its bet. So if he's threatening to deploy nukes now — and he is — then I wouldn't dismiss his threat so lightly.

    One thing you also have to keep in mind is that the invasion of Ukraine isn't going quite as well as Putin had expected. He thought he was just going to waltz right in and take over the country in a matter of days, but things did not quite turn out that way, because the Ukranians are fighting tooth and nail. Putin's ground forces are taking heavy losses, and the various international sanctions are hurting him much more than he had anticipated. As leader of the UN Security Council, Putin vetoed the UN ruling that condemned the invasion, but to everyone's surprise, China did not. Putin was counting on China as an ally, and so that's not quite working out as he had hoped either.

    Russia is militarily vulnerable right now, because two thirds of Putin's military are now involved in or around Ukraine. He's like a rat in a corner, and if he is led to believe that he's going to lose the plight, then he'll go for the jugular and fire those nukes. Maybe not on Ukraine itself — because that's where his troops are — but certainly on Europe and the USA. Of course, that would lead to mutually assured destruction, but Putin's ego is big enough to want to risk that. He'll rather go down in a ball of fire than to face the humiliation of losing against NATO.

    And the West, stupid as ever, is driving him right down into that corner because they're underestimating him, and everyone is unilaterally hitting him with every economical and logistical sanction they've got without heeding the warning signs.
    This, right here. Everything we know about human nature tells me that Putin's threat of going nuclear should be taken very seriously. He will likely use tactical nukes, bunker busters as a shot across the bow. That might get the attention of the Western world and apply downward pressure on escalation. But that isn't a sure thing, as people with huge egos are reliably retarded about what they can successfully accomplish.

    I understand people want to regard Zelensky as a hero, and maybe he is -- or can be said to have heroic impulses. Still, he should have assured Russia that he would not push for Nato membership and should have also been more flexible on Donbas.

    There is so much hatred and justifiable distrust on both sides. Putin appears to want to extend his empire, but is that really it, or is he worried about true existential threats from Nato, that end with a machete up his ass, like Ghaddafi.

    And Zelensky has similar fears, but coming from Russia, rather than NATO.

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    Quote Originally posted by Wind View Post
    So where was the nazi problem? Pot, meet kettle.

    Name calling, demonizing and then mirroring the enemy. The whole f'g world is doing this, geo-politically, through internal politics, gender politics, culture wars.

    Burning books while screaming about cancel culture. Screaming about burning books while burning professors and celebrities because of 'wrong speak.' So tired of it all.

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