World War Three

[Wind]

The idealist in me would still like to believe in some sane politicians.

Macron to visit China after Beijing's Ukraine peace plan

"French President Emmanuel Macron said Saturday he would visit China in April, and urged Beijing to pressure Russia to end the war in Ukraine.

China has sought to position itself as a neutral party on the conflict, even as it has maintained close ties with Russia and helped scuttle a joint statement condemning the war at a G20 gathering in India.

It published a 12-point position paper on Friday that called for urgent peace talks and a "political settlement" to end the conflict.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Friday also expressed hopes to meet Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping, calling it "important for world security".

Macron said Saturday he would visit China in "early April" and urged Beijing to help "put pressure" on Russia to end the war.

"The fact that China is engaging in peace efforts is a good thing," Macron said on the sidelines of an agricultural show in Paris, in reference to the position paper.

Peace was only possible if "Russian aggression was halted, troops withdrawn, and the territorial sovereignty of Ukraine and its people was respected", he added.

Earlier on Saturday, the Chinese foreign ministry said Belarusian leader Alexander Lukashenko would pay a state visit from February 28 to March 2 at Xi's invitation.

A long-time ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, Lukashenko allowed his country to be used as a launchpad for Moscow's invasion of its pro-Western ally on February 24 last year.

Kyiv has expressed concerns that Belarus could again support Moscow in its war effort, with the countries announcing the creation of a joint regional force last October.

Chinese foreign minister Qin Gang told his Belarusian counterpart Sergei Aleinik that Beijing was willing to work with Minsk to deepen mutual political trust during a phone conversation on Friday, China's ministry said in a statement.

China would also continue to support Belarus in maintaining national stability and oppose attempts by "external forces" to interfere in its internal affairs or impose "illegal" unilateral sanctions on Minsk, Qin told Aleinik.

Diplomatic rifts exposed

The diplomatic rift between Beijing, Moscow and the West was exposed on Saturday as G20 finance ministers failed to adopt a joint statement on the global economy after China sought to water down references to the Ukraine war.

Russia said the United States, the European Union and the G7 "destabilised" the talks in India by trying to impose their "diktat".

The Chinese position paper urged all parties to "support Russia and Ukraine in working in the same direction and resuming direct dialogue as quickly as possible".

It also made clear its opposition to the use and threat of deploying nuclear weapons, after Putin threatened to use Moscow's atomic arsenal in the conflict.

Some of Ukraine's allies have expressed scepticism at China's commitment to brokering peace, nodding to Beijing's close ties to Moscow. China has denied a claim by US Secretary of State Antony Blinken that it was "considering providing lethal support" to Russia.

Macron urged China "not to supply any arms to Russia" and sought Beijing's help to "exert pressure on Russia to ensure it never uses chemical or nuclear weapons and it stops this aggression prior to negotiations".

Zelensky did not specify when or where talks with Xi would happen, but expressed hope Friday that China would support a "just peace" in Ukraine and that Beijing would not supply weapons to Russia.

Spring counter-offensive

On Sunday, the deputy chief of Ukrainian military intelligence told a German newspaper group that a fresh push to retake seized territory was planned for spring, adding Kyiv's forces would "not stop until we get our country back to its 1991 borders".

"One of our strategic military objectives is to try to drive a wedge into the Russian front in the south -- between Crimea and Russian territory," Vadym Skibitsky said.

Beyond that, "the objective of our counter-offensive is to liberate all the occupied territories of Ukraine, including Crimea".

Skibitsky also raised the possibility of future Ukrainian strikes on "arms depots or military equipment on Russian territory, for example around the city of Belgorod, from where attacks on Ukraine are launched".

Yevgeny Prigozhin claimed the capture of Yagidne, a short distance from central Bakhmut, which has become a key political and symbolic prize in the battle to control the eastern Donbas region."

[Fred Steeves]

The idealist in me would still like to believe in some sane politicians.

Macron eh? What's he bringing to the table that's not already being "offered" by other neocons?

"French President Emmanuel Macron said Saturday he would visit China in April, and urged Beijing to pressure Russia to end the war in Ukraine.

Peace was only possible if "Russian aggression was halted, troops withdrawn, and the territorial sovereignty of Ukraine and its people was respected", he added.

Yet again, the West brings only demands to the table because that's the only way it knows how to conduct international relations. We start out with the presumption of Western pureness, and of unprovoked Russian savagery, so if Darth Vader knows what's good for him, he'll just hightail the boys back on across the border (Crimea included) and we'll all go back to the way things were.

The EU and NATO again have free reign in their eastward expansion of influence, Russia once more in the place of having it's security concerns ignored, and they're just going to have to re-learn how to bend back over and keep taking the high hard one like everyone else.

That's The Deal.

And now what about that "totally unprovoked Chinese aggression"? Who do they think they are daring to get upset with US military presence in the Taiwan Straight, and the rapid buildup of weapons on that island for the sole purpose of taking them on, just like was done with Ukraine? Those damn Chicoms had better back down if they know what's good for them, as aggression is never tolerated by the peace loving West. Just settle down, let the West do whatever it wants right there in your own front yard which includes massively weakening you, and we'll all go back to getting along real well.

That's the next deal.



P.S.

Okay okay okay, scrub all of that it's immaterial to Western eyes, let's just wait and see how well the list of demands will fly when spoken in French. Maybe we're onto something here.

[Wind]

Macron eh? What's he bringing to the table that's not already being "offered" by other neocons?

Well, I was wondering if he actually has any common sense or is just another opportunist too.

[Fred Steeves]

Macron eh? What's he bringing to the table that's not already being "offered" by other neocons?

Well, I was wondering if he actually has any common sense or is just another opportunist too.

Well, he's been in the public eye long enough now to have quite a track record, that we can get a pretty good idea of what he's all about by looking at that.

From everything I've seen so far, he's a good company man just like his other Western counterparts. A good company man stays on the reservation, he knows the do's and don't, especially knows the red lines, he spouts the company line and doesn't deviate.

But you don't even need to go looking over his past actions, the piece you posted tells us pretty much all we need to know, namely these two quotes below from earlier:

"French President Emmanuel Macron said Saturday he would visit China in April, and urged Beijing to pressure Russia to end the war in Ukraine.

Peace was only possible if "Russian aggression was halted, troops withdrawn, and the territorial sovereignty of Ukraine and its people was respected", he added.

That's company man talk, he's spouting the company line like a good little parrot, nothing new under the sun there other than that it's time he get some more attention from the press.

If his name were left out of this piece, the person in question could easily be Justin Trudeau, Anthony Blinken, Olav Scholz, Jens Stoltenberg or any other of these cardboard cutouts singing from the same song sheet/narrative.

Also related, is how much of an internal impact did that unprovoked US aggression on the Nord Stream pipelines have on these Western heads of state. "If these crazy fuckers will do that to a top ally, I had better fly the straight and narrow here myself".

And that means keep that nose deep into the song sheet/narrative, no looking to one side or the other, full speed ahead according to Big Daddy. Or else...

I don't know man, that's the way I see it anyway. Do you see these other heads of state as having much of a leash in venturing away from the song sheet/narrative, if they decided they wanted to?

[Wind]

Do you see these other heads of state as having much of a leash in venturing away from the song sheet/narrative, if they decided they wanted to?

No, to be honest I am not seeing any worthy leaders in the political world at large. At least not in most of the top positions.

[Wind]

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfA8oWFesEA

[Fred Steeves]

I guess there's not much more to talk about by this point if this is as far as we can get:

It's all very simple, fuck Putin

[Emil El Zapato]

I've been there since the beginning.

[Catsquotl]

I guess there's not much more to talk about by this point if this is as far as we can get:

Fuck Biden as well.

And let's throw in heads of state and royalty from the other warmongering countries as well.
Where's the firebomb squad when you need them.

Oh Lord Sideous...
If you'd be so kind...

[Lord Sidious]

Fuck Biden as well.

And let's throw in heads of state and royalty from the other warmongering countries as well.
Where's the firebomb squad when you need them.

Oh Lord Sideous...
If you'd be so kind...

May piss be upon ALL warmongering scum

[Fred Steeves]

Fuck Biden as well.

And let's throw in heads of state and royalty from the other warmongering countries as well.
Where's the firebomb squad when you need them.

Oh Lord Sideous...
If you'd be so kind...

Just speaking for me alone anyway, I'm not into the firebomb thing, it doesn't conform to the way I see discussion forums. The way I see a discussion forum is a place where investigation is taking place: "look what's revealed in this microscope slide. Look at what we see when looking at it through a telescope. This is what those in question are actually saying, this is what they've said before, and do their actions line up with the rhetoric or not?"

I share my information collected, you share yours, and theoretically our opinions evolve over time as we learn more.

I'm not really interested in talking to anyone hoisting the flags of "Fuck Biden" - "Fuck Trump" - "Fuck Putin", any of that, because chances are there's not much substance behind it. Their minds have already been made up, they only go to sources that escort their particular confirmation bias along, and nothing is ever added to further a conversation along.

It's indicative of "no further research needed, I've seen all there is to see here, and it can be summed up in two words: "Fuck Putin".

Alright, well, if that's the level of understanding you're prepared to plant your flag at then god bless ya, but I'm moving on with it.

What is a sign of healthy research, IMO, is rather than "fuck this person - fuck that person", challenging these people in power with information gleaned from good research, as this guy does to then US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright. He struck her straight to the core, a momentary deer in the headlights is seen, and this sharp exchange is likely a reason the format of open town halls has been all but abandoned since then.

Leaves them too vulnerable.

What was done here was far more powerful than a placard out front displaying: "Fuck Albright". She was exposed before her peers.

(Skip to 3:11)

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcLaKGNDtzo

[Emil El Zapato]

I must have missed the pivotal point where Albright wasn't speaking the truth. I may have ...

[Emil El Zapato]

Before anyone goes ballistic over the sale of F-16's to Taiwan keep in mind that they have been doing that for over 30 years. I did operational flight avionics software on those. They wouldn't give me clearance to work on the American version...too many security red flags...

[Catsquotl]

I'm not really interested in talking to anyone hoisting the flags of "Fuck Biden" - "Fuck Trump" - "Fuck Putin", any of that, because chances are there's not much substance behind it. Their minds have already been made up, they only go to sources that escort their particular confirmation bias along, and nothing is ever added to further a conversation along.

It's indicative of "no further research needed, I've seen all there is to see here, and it can be summed up in two words: "Fuck Putin".

Alright, well, if that's the level of understanding you're prepared to plant your flag at then god bless ya, but I'm moving on with it.

What is a sign of healthy research, IMO, is rather than "fuck this person - fuck that person", challenging these people in power with information gleaned from good research

Yeah that really stopped the war, raised consciousness and stopped Albright from making a career.
Didn't she become the head of the stock exchange 5 years later or something..

Any hoe. if we have to resort to healthy research conducted 25 years ago. And still have that someone make a pretty good career in a position of pretty big power.
Yeah...

I'd say Fuck Allbright to..
Most of the honors and such quoted below are after the researched town hall meeting..
sigh..

Honorary degrees and awards
Medlin Olbrajt Square in Pristina, Kosovo named in honor of Madeleine Albright

Albright held honorary degrees from Brandeis University (1996), the University of Washington (2002), Smith College (2003), Washington University in St. Louis (2003),[146] University of Winnipeg (2005), the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (2007),[147] Knox College (2008),[148] Bowdoin College (2013),[149] Dickinson College (2014),[150] and Tufts University (2015).[151]

In 1998, Albright was inducted into the National Women's Hall of Fame.[152] Albright was the second recipient of the Hanno R. Ellenbogen Citizenship Award presented by the Prague Society for International Cooperation. In March 2000 Albright received an Honorary Silver Medal of Jan Masaryk at a ceremony in Prague sponsored by the Bohemian Foundation and the Czech Ministry of Foreign Affairs.[153] In 2010, she was inducted into the Colorado Women's Hall of Fame.[154]

Albright was selected for the inaugural 2021 Forbes 50 Over 50; made up of entrepreneurs, leaders, scientists, and creators who are over the age of 50.[155]

As for how you view Forum boards.. well I view them a little different at times.
Although I do like some good research. I just don't think that researched arguments and exposure will do a whole lot more than fucking.
One is definetly a more pleasurable activity that the other..

[Emil El Zapato]

Yeah that really stopped the war, raised consciousness and stopped Albright from making a career.
Didn't she become the head of the stock exchange 5 years later or something..

Any hoe. if we have to resort to healthy research conducted 25 years ago. And still have that someone make a pretty good career in a position of pretty big power.
Yeah...

I'd say Fuck Allbright to..
Most of the honors and such quoted below are after the researched town hall meeting..
sigh..


As for how you view Forum boards.. well I view them a little different at times.
Although I do like some good research. I just don't think that researched arguments and exposure will do a whole lot more than fucking.
One is definetly a more pleasurable activity that the other..

But likely not Madelaine Albright...right.

Wasn't she involved in one of those alter championed controversies: Ruby Ridge or David Koresh. I was listening to a historical recount of the David Koresh Tragedy and according to the historian the truth was twisted beyond recognition by the alters (public)

I don't like lying or hysteria, neither one contributes to truth or even reality.