World War Three

[Fred Steeves]

Living in Plato's Cave seems to lead to arrested development and answers that look like they were written in crayon.

Plato's Cave is a very good analogy. Can those engrossed in the puppet shadows on the walls explain why that is so, and why nothing other than that could possibly be true?

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jmJGBJRlUQ

[Emil El Zapato]

Plato's Cave is a very good analogy. Can those engrossed in the puppet shadows on the walls explain why that is so, and why nothing other than that could possibly be true?

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jmJGBJRlUQ

I think I might have an explanation Fred. The following was not written by me but by some chap named David Cline. My takeaway is that every individual may manifest the allegory in different shapes. So one individual living in the cave can only see the projection of the other's senses. In a manner of speaking, perhaps a cave within a cave?

From my point of view Plato’s cave has more to do with the difference between one who has gained more consciousness and those whose consciousness is much less. However, another description of higher consciousness is projections have been withdrawn. The withdrawal of projections creates more consciousness. The less consciousness one has then projections happen more often. Consciousness can be related to the chakras. In Jung’s book The Psychology Of The Kundalini Yoga he describes the difference between consciousness in the lower chakras and the higher chakras.

In the lower chakras, the first 3, consciousness is much more concrete lacking in the ability to effectively symbolize and abstract. In the lower chakras it’s like being chained to the wall of the cave with the belief that what you see is the actual reality. In the first 3 chakras consciousness, ones reality is fixed. Here they have the Truth. In today’s world those whose consciousness is above the 3rd chakra are viewed by those in the lower chakras as the elite. You can see this being played out now currently in the world.

Jung’s book can be difficult reading. However, I recommend it to anyone who wants to know more about consciousness and the chakras.

Best wishes.

[modwiz]

Oh you nasty old man, leave thy crayon peoples alone, gosh thy bullies nowadays, escaping sandpits everywhere, goin rouge, smiling far toooo much.

I love crayons for making art. Very different medium than paints. The more colors, the better.

[Emil El Zapato]

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUiXFhjU4As

[Fred Steeves]

Living in Plato's Cave seems to lead to arrested development and answers that look like they were written in crayon.

(By Caitlyn Johnstone - 4:54)

"As long as they can keep us clapping along with the puppet show we're never going to pay attention to the forces pulling the strings. We're never going to bring real focus to the problems to find actual solutions and carry them out. We're never going to be able to bring real opposition to real power. And that's the whole idea. That's why this silly puppet show keeps coming back every 4 years.

Stop clapping along and start looking around the theater. You know where the empire managers want you to place your attention, so start looking where they don't want you to look".

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZmpzG-0pPM

[Octopus Garden]

"Start looking where they don't want you to look" C. Johnstone

I've been trying to figure out the whole Russia, Iran, Israel, US dynamic, at the moment.

It looks like Trump is going to negotiate a rough peace (for Ukraine) in return for Russia's assurance that they won't support Iran, when the times comes Israel goes after them with tactical nukes and with the full support and backing of US.

I smell regime change.

[modwiz]

"Start looking where they don't want you to look" C. Johnstone


It looks like Trump is going to negotiate a rough peace (for Ukraine) in return for Russia's assurance that they won't support Iran, when the times comes Israel goes after them with tactical nukes and with the full support and backing of US.

I smell regime change.

I think Trump is in for a rude awakening when it comes to dealing with Russia. Reneging on past agreements has resulted in no trust in the USA.

It is hard to negotiate when words are considered empty and a cover for continued dishonesty and fookery.

The world has changed alot since Trump was last in office.

We'll see.

[Fred Steeves]

I've been trying to figure out the whole Russia, Iran, Israel, US dynamic, at the moment.

It looks like Trump is going to negotiate a rough peace (for Ukraine) in return for Russia's assurance that they won't support Iran,

Full stop right there, because that's not going to happen - it's not even 2020 any more, the rest of the world is moving on rapidly without US. Putin (and any other leader outside of the US vassals) would have to be a fool to disengage with a powerful, fellow ant. And he's certainly no fool. As Rad says in the next post: "I think Trump is in for a rude awakening when it comes to dealing with Russia".

And speaking of ants, here's what's really going on in a nut shell. The avalanche has already begun:

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLbWnJGlyMU

[Fred Steeves]

I think Trump is in for a rude awakening when it comes to dealing with Russia. Reneging on past agreements has resulted in no trust in the USA.

It is hard to negotiate when words are considered empty and a cover for continued dishonesty and fookery.

The world has changed alot since Trump was last in office.

We'll see.

Indeed, we shall see.

The US still struts proudly and boldly before the world, even as they look upon a naked emperor while continuing to gather as one to stand against him.

[Aianawa]

I think Trump is in for a rude awakening when it comes to dealing with Russia. Reneging on past agreements has resulted in no trust in the USA.

It is hard to negotiate when words are considered empty and a cover for continued dishonesty and fookery.

The world has changed alot since Trump was last in office.

We'll see.

Imo they still besties

[Fred Steeves]

This is absolutely, historically correct.

And before that, right from the beginning, so was this - 1990):

(Starting 8th paragraph down)

The conversations before Kohl’s assurance involved explicit discussion of NATO expansion, the Central and East European countries, and how to convince the Soviets to accept unification. For example, on February 6, 1990, when Genscher met with British Foreign Minister Douglas Hurd, the British record showed Genscher saying, “The Russians must have some assurance that if, for example, the Polish Government left the Warsaw Pact one day, they would not join NATO the next.” (See Document 2)

Having met with Genscher on his way into discussions with the Soviets, Baker repeated exactly the Genscher formulation in his meeting with Foreign Minister Eduard Shevardnadze on February 9, 1990, (see Document 4); and even more importantly, face to face with Gorbachev.

Not once, but three times, Baker tried out the “not one inch eastward” formula with Gorbachev in the February 9, 1990, meeting. He agreed with Gorbachev’s statement in response to the assurances that “NATO expansion is unacceptable.” Baker assured Gorbachev that “neither the President nor I intend to extract any unilateral advantages from the processes that are taking place,” and that the Americans understood that “not only for the Soviet Union but for other European countries as well it is important to have guarantees that if the United States keeps its presence in Germany within the framework of NATO, not an inch of NATO’s present military jurisdiction will spread in an eastern direction.” (See Document 6)

Afterwards, Baker wrote to Helmut Kohl who would meet with the Soviet leader on the next day, with much of the very same language. Baker reported: “And then I put the following question to him [Gorbachev]. Would you prefer to see a united Germany outside of NATO, independent and with no U.S. forces or would you prefer a unified Germany to be tied to NATO, with assurances that NATO’s jurisdiction would not shift one inch eastward from its present position? He answered that the Soviet leadership was giving real thought to all such options [….] He then added, ‘Certainly any extension of the zone of NATO would be unacceptable.’” Baker added in parentheses, for Kohl’s benefit, “By implication, NATO in its current zone might be acceptable.” (See Document 8)

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-b...-leaders-early

[Fred Steeves]

So here's the scary thing. Several months ago I made the observation here on the WW3 thread that it was unclear whether empire would settle down a bit and cut its losses, like other dying empires have done, and learn to live not in control of everything - OR - Would that be an impossibility, and they would just as soon go down swinging in the proverbial hail of gun fire, while also taking everyone else out with it.

I think the situation has become quite clear by now, it's the latter all day long, to keep on doubling down on those insane efforts is the only option on the table.

This is one step closer to direct war with Russia in the "always double down no matter what" scenario. Former weapons inspector Scott Ritter comments:

[Emil El Zapato]

You prefer sheep to the slaughter? Most domesticated food animals know only too well when the end is near. Oh well, it is what the universe ordained for them. Unfortunately, that ordination was nature's first and foremost mistake. But as we gain control we have the auspices to fight back no matter what you, Fred, believe is best.

On the matter of NATO's Eastward movement, it was never agreed to and was one of those things for which only the future provides the perspective to get things correct. In retrospect, Russia got taken just like in any game of chance. Now Putin is historically butt hurt. Too bad, you snooze...you lose.

[Aianawa]

Oh Gosh , i wonder where some members heads n hearts will be, as Dec is double triple drama imo atm.

I suggest all or any option of being at peace.

[Fred Steeves]

This piece by Kit Klarenberg of The Grayzone is a bit of a read, but well worth it. I knew an age old ace in the hole like "Gladio" had to still be lingering about somehow, somewhere, in some form or another, and sho nuff - a spotting from the proverbial crow's nest:

Leaks expose secret British military cell plotting to ‘keep Ukraine fighting’


Leaked files show top UK military figures conspired to carry out the Kerch bridge bombing, covertly train “Gladio”-style stay-behind forces in Ukraine, and groom the British public for a drop in living standards caused by the proxy war against Russia.

https://thegrayzone.com/2024/11/16/u...aine-fighting/