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    Quote Originally posted by Wind View Post
    Americans especially tend to be very brainwashed into believing that capitalism is a great thing.

    You know, the myth about The American Dream. The American exceptionalism as Aragorn says.

    Capitalism might be the best system we have, but it's still a shitty system. When you say that it doesn't mean that one would be in favor of communism either, not the versions we've had here anyways.
    Indeed, but I'm not convinced that capitalism is the best system we have. I always see people claim this, and also make similar claims about capitalism being the only system which works, but these claims always seemed like they were promoted to make people who see the flaws of the capitalist system believe that the system can't be changed. I never saw any real backing for these claims that convinced me of them.
    I consider myself a socialist, so I believe that we need to fundamentally change the system, not just reform it and adding more social programs while keeping it. It is the system itself which is broken, and which leads to the current problems. If the system is not fundamentally changed, then the problems remain and smaller progress made can still have the risk of being easily undone.

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    Quote Originally posted by sourcetruth View Post
    Indeed, but I'm not convinced that capitalism is the best system we have.
    I am not a proponent of capitalism, I just have accepted it. I know that the system is deeply broken and it's not going to last.

    I consider myself a socialist, so I believe that we need to fundamentally change the system, not just reform it and adding more social programs while keeping it. It is the system itself which is broken, and which leads to the current problems. If the system is not fundamentally changed, then the problems remain and smaller progress made can still have the risk of being easily undone.
    I certainly agree. I always thought that something like The Venus Project could be a great option, but people always said that it's impossible or too utopian etc. Basically it has been just about greed and the current state of humanity's collective consciousness has not been ready for any real changes, people have been buying into the illusion, as if fiat money would be any more real either. We prefer to live in a system which benefits the few at the expense of others, because at least some of us get to enjoy some parts of the big collective cake and people more or less get by, unless they live in third world countries where life is even more complicated. It's not sustainable and the world is a mess, with some pockets of sanity.


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    Quote Originally posted by sourcetruth View Post
    Indeed, but I'm not convinced that capitalism is the best system we have. I always see people claim this, and also make similar claims about capitalism being the only system which works, but these claims always seemed like they were promoted to make people who see the flaws of the capitalist system believe that the system can't be changed. I never saw any real backing for these claims that convinced me of them.
    I consider myself a socialist, so I believe that we need to fundamentally change the system, not just reform it and adding more social programs while keeping it. It is the system itself which is broken, and which leads to the current problems. If the system is not fundamentally changed, then the problems remain and smaller progress made can still have the risk of being easily undone.
    Amen to that! I've been saying the same thing for years.
    = DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR =

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    Quote Originally posted by Wind View Post
    I know that the system is deeply broken and it's not going to last.
    The system isn't broken, it doesn't work for us.
    Why should it? We don't have the capital
    Ní siocháin go saoirse

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    Quote Originally posted by Wind View Post
    Americans especially tend to be very brainwashed into believing that capitalism is a great thing.

    You know, the myth about The American Dream. The American exceptionalism as Aragorn says.
    Well, no, capitalism is part of the tenet of American Exceptionalism, but American Exceptionalism is much wider in scope than that. It is an indoctrinated belief that the USA, its culture and its values would somehow be superior to those of any other nation in the world.

    American Exceptionalism as a belief system then further extends into Americanism, which is the active geopolitical attempt to turn other nations into clones of the USA in order to spread those American values and American culture (including capitalism) across the world, whether through infiltration and subversion, whether through propaganda, whether through economical measures at the scale of international trade (and trade embargoes), whether through military invasions of sovereign nations under false pretenses, or whether through any combination of the aforementioned.

    It is this very phenomenon that causes the USA to dedicate roughly 60% of its gross national product to the military-industrial complex. And the irony of all this is that the USA is trying to lay an ownership claim on a world of which it knows absolutely nothing. Most US Americans speak only one language and haven't got an inkling of what life is like anywhere else in the world. Most of them even have grave difficulty — and that's a euphemism — pinpointing other countries on the world map. And then I'm not even getting into their stubborn adherence to the imperial measurements system — which isn't even the same anymore as the original, British imperial units system — whereas the rest of the world has already long gone metric.
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    This is a good summary from Chris Hedges about the global political situation.


    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuGzAb-YNlM

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    The real kind of war hero ...

    Ukrainian service dog awarded by Zelenskyy

    The bomb-sniffing dog received state honors for finding more than 200 explosive devices.
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    Quote Originally posted by Gio View Post
    The real kind of war hero ...

    Ukrainian service dog awarded by Zelenskyy



    May 9, 2022

    And yet it didn't discover that zelenskyy is a dud............
    Ní siocháin go saoirse

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    So this is what victory looks like ...

    ...


    Careful Vlad don't fall.
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    The problem we have here in the US with Capitalism is that it's become like a religion that you dare not question. Folks will call you unpatriotic. It's gone outside the realm of logical systems. We announce that huge corporations have no responsibility to the communities in which they reside. Only to the share-holders, who may not even live in America and who likely shelter all their money instead of reinvesting it in our economy.

    And they can just blame the laws or regulations for letting them do it despite having lobbied for those very laws.

    There have been markets and merchants and bankers for centuries. Capitalism is not some new wondrous invention. It's a system with many flaws which is why it needs regulation.

    We collectively pay for the system we live in so there should be robust social systems. It's common sense.

    We lack a great deal of common sense here in the states. Our cult mentality about things is biting us in the ass.

    It's been nearly impossible most of my adult life to have a critical discussion about military spending. People pretend it's unpatriotic to criticize military spending.

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    The current reality ...

    "You cannot seriously sit down with Putin anymore" -
    German diplomat Christoph Heusgen


    Christoph Heusgen has worked in foreign policy for more than 40 years, has caused a stir with many an edgy word during his career as a diplomat. This year the 66-year-old took over the Munich Security Conference (MSC), a globally respected forum for foreign and security policy. For months, and not just in light of the Ukraine conflict, he has been calling for a united community of "states that enforce international law." Heusgen is considered one of Germany's most experienced and respected diplomats. Although he was late to serve formally as an ambassador, he has been politically active at the European level and in the United States, though never in Africa, Asia or Latin America.

    Heusgen, a member of the Christian Democratic Union (CDU), became active in foreign policy posts early in his career. From 1993 to 1997, he was deputy head of the minister's office for the then German Foreign Minister Klaus Kinkel. From 1999 to 2005, he headed the Brussels office and political staff of Javier Solana, then High Representative for the EU's Common Foreign and Security Policy. After Angela Merkel's victory in the 2005 election, the new chancellor brought Heusgen, a Rhineland Catholic, into the chancellor's office as her foreign policy adviser. He was at the chancellor's side on virtually all of her foreign trips and has been excellently networked ever since. Occasionally, he traveled without her, but for her: When it emerged in the fall of 2013 that US intelligence agencies had wiretapped Merkel's phone, cooling transatlantic relations, Heusgen was part of the German delegation that sought clarification in Washington. Months before Merkel's fourth federal election victory in 2017, she had to let Heusgen go. The diplomat, who had already spent some time studying in the US in the 1980s and had worked at the German Consulate General in Chicago after 1983, now finally became an ambassador. For four years, he was Germany's permanent representative at the United Nations in New York. In April 2019 and July 2020, he presided over meetings of the UN Security Council, the top-level body to which Germany does not belong permanently but in which it wants to have a say. Here too, on occasion, he did not shy away from describing Russia's and China's blocking of UN aid deliveries to war-torn Syria as "cynical." Both expressed irritation at Germany's stance.

    Heusgen is certainly thought of as a man of clear words, clearer than cross the lips of many other ambassadors. This has perhaps been all the more true since 2021, when he returned to Germany. Perhaps he has been so outspoken about the current conflict in Ukraine because he was involved in the difficult negotiations that led to the Minsk Agreement in 2014, which brought Ukraine, Russia and the separatists together but fell apart soon after.
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    With good conscience I can't support the criminal actions of the Russian government. I have nothing against the good people of Russia, because we have more in common than we even think. When there are injustices, I can't just ignore it. The same applies to any other country and bully too. I will never in my entire life support wars. The only form of acceptable violence to me is self-defence against someone who tries to harm you and even that should be the last resort. Non-violent resistance and ahimsa is something that I follow and respect. When there are (war) crimes being committed, those responsible must be held accountable.

    Now the ball gets rolling, Godspeed. I don't like it, but what can you do. We are stuck in the middle here.


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    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXeC6klNaUA
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    Fuck you Putin!
    You and your soldiers are the real Nazi!

    Russian soldiers caught on camera killing Ukrainian civilians -

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    When Leonid Pliats and his boss were shot in the back by Russian soldiers, the killing was captured on CCTV cameras in clear and terrible detail.

    The footage, which was obtained by the BBC, is now being investigated by Ukrainian prosecutors as a suspected war crime.

    "My dad was not a military man... he was a pensioner," Leonid's daughter said.


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    Is Western media really just reporting the objective nuts and bolts of this war? All the reports just happen to favor its latest interest and investment nation, because that's the way it really is and nothing else?
    The unexamined life is not worth living.

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