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    How to die fast, miserably and pointlessly? Just join the Russian army.


    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyP9JsQg1kw
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    Quote Originally posted by Wind View Post
    How to die fast, miserably and pointlessly? Just join the Russian army.


    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyP9JsQg1kw
    Just gonna ignore Biden 27 years ago shining a light directly onto what we see actually playing out today, in lieu of a reflexive response by this blatant propagandist getting his news straight from Ukraine?
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    One thing I'm libel to never understand fully, is that to be on the side of this modern day McCarthyism seems to grant the illusion that being a repeater of "Putin Bad" without the ability to articulate exactly why, is like Left and chic or something.

    Well it's not, what it's actually doing is directly allying the person with the highest level of neocons in the US and Europe. Here is chic "Lefty" MSNBC commentator snuggling right up with Dick Cheney acolyte, and neocon war monger extraordinaire Victoria Nuland.



    And who is the neocon Victoria Nuland married to? One of the biggest baddest neocons that ever walked the planet Robert Kagan, longtime collaborator with equally neocon extraordinaire William Kristol of the Project for a New American Century.

    I dunno man, it just seems to me that when one's opinions on things happen to correspond and nestle in nicely with the biggest baddest war mongers and propagandists to walk the planet, it may be time to do some in private re-assessing.

    The American Conservative

    Neocon Grandee Kagan Resigns Over Post Non-Endorsement


    State of the Union: Robert Kagan, William Kristol’s longtime collaborator and Victoria Nuland’s husband, has been an unremitting opponent of Donald Trump.

    The prominent neoconservative Robert Kagan has resigned his position as an editor at large at the Washington Post due to the paper’s Friday decision not to endorse a candidate for president.

    Kagan has had a long career within neoconservative politics, founding with William Kristol of the Project for a New American Century. Both Kagan and Kristol advocating for regime-change in Iraq long-before the Iraq war, including in a New York Times op-ed in 1998. Throughout the conflict, Kagan repeatedly praised the Iraq War, declaring victory multiple times, praising the “surge,” and claiming after the invasion that Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction were merely yet to be found. More recently, Kagan has served as a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution.

    Kagan, much like Kristol, has emerged since 2016 as an opponent of Donald Trump. He endorsed Hillary Clinton in the 2016 election, and more recently has recently written articles in the Washington Post decrying a hypothetical “Trump dictatorship.” He has confirmed both his resignation and its cause.

    Kagan is married to Victoria Nuland, a State Department official best known for her hawkish and anti-Russian views, including for her role in Ukraine’s 2014 “Maidan” Color Revolution, and her promotion of the Russiagate hoax.
    https://www.theamericanconservative....n-endorsement/

    Or maybe the neocons are right? I guess we could go there if need be.
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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    Or maybe the neocons are right? I guess we could go there if need be.
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    Quote Originally posted by Gio View Post
    Gio, a ridiculous 4 star general straw man, based on an obviously out of context quote, is the best you got?

    Unfortunately, that’s what I keep finding across the Netscape with those who espouse mainstream narrative views.

    They can’t do it.

    And they’re simultaneously unaware that they can’t do it.
    The unexamined life is not worth living.

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    I think this is an important thread. World War lll is underway, especailly the information part of it.

    Sebastion Sas looks at Western and Ukrainian media and brings some logos/reasoning to them.

    He keeps a sense of humor that covering nonsense deserves.

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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    Gio, a ridiculous 4 star general straw man, based on an obviously out of context quote, is the best you got?

    Unfortunately, that’s what I keep finding across the Netscape with those who espouse mainstream narrative views.

    They can’t do it.

    And they’re simultaneously unaware that they can’t do it.
    Sarcasm and satire need a truth to bounce off of.

    I wonder what George Carlin would have been saying during these times?
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    Imo sometimes the transmutation of old timelines, hurts, suffering, pain, abuse etc, needs self to stand aside, away, and go within, unless it be your movie of course but bringing the collective transmutation resonant frequenzzzzzz's of old n now to bare imo demands a known mind, ww3 began long long ago in another place far far away, many times, imo celebrate as we have made it, the future is so so good, celebrate, well done all, enjoying this that clean up atm, though tough n haggard at times, has joys abounding.

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    Quote Originally posted by Aianawa View Post
    ww3 began long long ago in another place far far away,.
    So, WWlll began before WWl?

    Excuse me for wanting to stay grounded with Gaia and Her timeline. The one filled with the blood of senseless wars endured by generations.

    I too see a better future in the making with many encouraging things happening in our NOW.
    Last edited by modwiz, 30th October 2024 at 02:18.
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    Well, with a solid piece of evidence I tried to re-open an intelligent discussion on one of the most dangerous things happening on the planet at this time, and it's simply not to be found.

    The conclusions I'm drawing now is that arguments for establishment narratives run only skin deep, dig any deeper that that, and you're only gonna get the MSNBC type of treatment.

    Doesn't say much for what I originally joined forum world for back in 2010, what a shame that this is what it's come to...
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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    Gio, a ridiculous 4 star general straw man, based on an obviously out of context quote, is the best you got?

    Unfortunately, that’s what I keep finding across the Netscape with those who espouse mainstream narrative views.

    They can’t do it.

    And they’re simultaneously unaware that they can’t do it.
    Sorry Fred,
    You can be a bit much some days ...

    Just having fun, by the way that gif is of George C. Scott (from 1964's Dr Strangelove) in the war room scenes ... During the first so-called Cold War ... Probably before you were born, but i imagine you've heard of it?

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    Quote Originally posted by Gio View Post
    Sorry Fred,
    You can be a bit much some days ...

    Just having fun, by the way that gif is of George C. Scott (from 1964's Dr Strangelove) in the war room scenes ... During the first so-called Cold War ... Probably before you were born, but i imagine you've heard of it?

    Carry on keyboard warriors !
    Another prime example of how far we've fallen. Arrogant and flippant condescension, in place of a valid argument because there is none to be had.
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    Quote Originally posted by modwiz View Post
    I wonder what George Carlin would have been saying during these times?
    I he came back today I have to imagine that for starters, he would be bewildered by how much hate and scorn he'd receive for his act from people on the (so called) Left. They'd do their best to cancel him.

    And keeping in line with the topic, he was still seeing a vibrant anti war movement in his last days, he would surely be stunned that it's now all but gone save for certain back channels of the internet.

    I's just love to hear what he'd have to say about that.
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    So first off, interesting that the US propaganda outlet Radio Free Europe shared this piece as well. They're not really in the game of objective reporting:
    https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ukrai.../33183664.html



    Anyway, the following raised my eyebrows a bit on this piece. Sounds kind of like someone saying "I'm an objective partisan".

    Meduza has condemned Russia’s invasion of Ukraine from the very start, and we are committed to reporting objectively on a war we firmly oppose. Join Meduza in its mission to challenge the Kremlin’s censorship with the truth. Donate today.


    And then as I continued, the following paragraph was noted to come back to and maybe do a bit of running down:

    “A distinction should be made between Putin’s public statements about the invasion’s goals and his real intentions, which have become clearer over time,” Eric Ciaramella, a Ukraine and Russia expert at the Carnegie Center, told Systema. For example, he said, while Putin used the term “denazification” in public statements, the word was concealing his true goals: the violent overthrow of Ukraine’s democratically elected leadership, its replacement with a pro-Russian administration, the occupation of Kyiv and other major Ukrainian cities, and the establishment of filtration camps for patriotic and pro-Ukrainian activists and political leaders.


    That didn't strike me as very objective either, even with Eric Ciaramella having the rather banal description of "Ukraine and Russia expert at the Carnegie Center". So this is a a supposedly objective expert being brought in, and here is where he works. He's a spook:

    About

    Eric Ciaramella is a senior fellow in the Russia and Eurasia program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. His work focuses on Ukraine and Russia.

    Prior to joining Carnegie, Ciaramella served for twelve years in the U.S. government as an intelligence analyst and policy official. He was a deputy national intelligence officer for Russia and Eurasia at the National Intelligence Council, where he helped lead the Intelligence Community's strategic analysis on the former Soviet Union. He served on the National Security Council staff, first as director for Ukraine and then as acting senior director for Europe and Russia. He was also a senior political analyst at the Central Intelligence Agency, where he specialized in Europe and the former Soviet Union.
    https://carnegieendowment.org/people...russia-eurasia



    The team of his fellow "objective" experts at the Carnegie Russia Eurasia Center:
    https://carnegieendowment.org/russia...xperts?lang=en



    Alexander Baunov:

    Anti-Kremlin Russian Expert – Why Moscow’s Decision Making is so ‘Degraded’
    https://www.kyivpost.com/index.php/post/23811



    Alexander Gabuev:

    Alexander Gabuev writes from Moscow on why Vladimir Putin and his entourage want war
    https://www.economist.com/by-invitat...urage-want-war



    Alexandra Prokopenko:

    "It's Time To Slowly Bleed Russia's Economy Dry"

    When Vladimir Putin invaded Ukraine, Alexandra Prokopenko quit her job at the Russian Central Bank. In an interview, she explains why the Russian president's economic policy is so successful. And what the West could do that would really harm the Kremlin.
    https://www.spiegel.de/international...5-67745fdb6693


    Maksim Samorukov:

    Putin’s Brittle Regime

    Like the Soviet One That Preceded It, His System Is Always on the Brink of Collapse
    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/russi...brittle-regime



    Artyom Shraibman:

    Getting Off the Back Foot: Guiding Principles for a Proactive Western Strategy on Belarus

    Western leaders’ apathy and lack of interest in Belarus risk creating a self-fulfilling prophecy that leaves Belarus trapped in Moscow’s smothering embrace more or less indefinitely. This paper identifies options for a more effective Western strategy that takes into account existing opportunities and limitations.
    https://carnegieendowment.org/resear...elarus?lang=en



    Vita Spivak:

    What Does China’s Latest Five-Year Plan Mean for Russia?

    Given its escalating confrontation with the West, Russia will become increasingly integrated into China’s tech orbit.
    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/...-russia-a73322



    Tatiana Stanovaya:

    Navalny’s Poisoning Is the Act of a Sickly Regime

    Navalny may have been poisoned by people who believe that the regime is no longer capable of dealing with threats itself.
    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/...-regime-a71250



    I'm just pointing out that outlets touting objectivity, often times demonstrate otherwise with a bit of scratching below the surface.
    The unexamined life is not worth living.

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