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    World Science Festival: Will Self-Taught, A.I. Powered Robots Be the End of Us?

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    Success in creating effective A.I.,” said the late Stephen Hawking, “could be the biggest event in the history of our civilization. Or the worst. We just don’t know.” Are we creating the instruments of our own destruction or exciting tools for our future survival? Once we teach a machine to learn on its own—as the programmers behind AlphaGo have done, to wondrous results—where do we draw moral and computational lines? In this program, leading specialists in A.I., neuroscience, and philosophy tackle the very questions that may define the future of humanity.

    PARTICIPANTS: Yann LeCun, Susan Schneider, Max Tegmark, Peter Ulric Tse

    MODERATOR: Tim Urban




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    = DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR =

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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
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    Success in creating effective A.I.,” said the late Stephen Hawking, “could be the biggest event in the history of our civilization. Or the worst. We just don’t know.” Are we creating the instruments of our own destruction or exciting tools for our future survival? Once we teach a machine to learn on its own—as the programmers behind AlphaGo have done, to wondrous results—where do we draw moral and computational lines? In this program, leading specialists in A.I., neuroscience, and philosophy tackle the very questions that may define the future of humanity.

    PARTICIPANTS: Yann LeCun, Susan Schneider, Max Tegmark, Peter Ulric Tse

    MODERATOR: Tim Urban




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    AI is the creation...so what AI creates, is a product of the creator behind the AI. Nothing more and nothing less. The most important question is: What are YOU...who do you think you are?
    Whatever is true. Whatever is noble. Whatever is right. Whatever is lovely. Whatever is admirable. Anything of excellence and worthy of praise. Dwell on these things. Jesus Christ (I agree)

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    I was just watching an early episode of Star Trek, TNG. One ensign asks for hot chocolate from the replicator and thanks it. She says that it's an intelligent machine and that people should be polite because the machines will reflect our behavior.

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    Quote Originally posted by Elen View Post
    AI is the creation...so what AI creates, is a product of the creator behind the AI. Nothing more and nothing less. The most important question is: What are YOU...who do you think you are?
    Last time somebody asked me that question, I responded with, "Who do I have to be?" Have a lovely day or night, better yet, a lovely day and night.

    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    I was just watching an early episode of Star Trek, TNG. One ensign asks for hot chocolate from the replicator and thanks it. She says that it's an intelligent machine and that people should be polite because the machines will reflect our behavior.
    Of course, AIs are people too ...
    “But those who have been under the shadow, who have gone down at last to elemental things, will have a wider charity” - Herbert George Wells -

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    I'm listening to this now. Naturally.

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    At 28:55, In the human species the desire to 'take over' is not actually correlated with intelligence.

    Ain't that the truth.

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    This comment would be close to my thoughts too.

    Super intelligent, self-aware, nearly immortal, SOCIOPATHS!

    What could possibly go wrong?!
    I watched the whole video, quite interesting. The near future will be crazy and we already have a huge mess in our hands.

    That woman ended the video in a way I didn't like though, no chips getting into my head. I'll just stick to eating potato chips.
    Last edited by Wind, 28th April 2021 at 06:15.

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    Amen, Wind.

    Potato chips, banana chips, chocolate chips...Good.

    Brain chips...Bad.

    I'm happy remaining a biological luddite as far as that is concerned.

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    The answer to the non-question is Neal Asher ... For some serious food for thought, everyone should read the Ian Cormac, Agent series.

    Entities endowed with impeccable logic are not capable of sociopathy. If logic rules truth, justice, and the Human way follow as surely as bouncing balls will follow a trajectory determined by universal rules. Well, maybe not the truth, but surely justice, fairness, and whatever else follows.
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    I will check it out.

    A large part of me would like to believe in the possibility of a Data (a la Star Trek) or the robots of Isaac Asimov.

    Humans are still humans in these worlds. Not cyborgs.

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    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    I will check it out.

    A large part of me would like to believe in the possibility of a Data (a la Star Trek) or the robots of Isaac Asimov.

    Humans are still humans in these worlds. Not cyborgs.
    Isaac Asimov is the Father of Thinking Robots ... I, Robot. Cyborgs? Haimans are a serious step beyond the cyborg ... they range from the prototypical cyborg but their enhancement is effectuated by para-mycelium. Golems are cyborgs gone wild. The alien para-mycelium is the next step of AI but is rogue, more than a match for the sociopathic AIs. In his series, some AIs that decided to go their own way, similar to fallen angels but not supernal in the sense of right and wrong are the bad guys as they hooked up with the alien para-mycelium to end any sentient life in the Universe.

    I haven't had a chance to hear the above presentation yet, but I know it will be good, that group does the best of the best discussions.
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    Wow. Now you have me interested. I'll check out the series, pal.

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    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    Amen, Wind.

    Potato chips, banana chips, chocolate chips...Good.
    Yeah banana chips are pretty good, you reminded me that I should buy them again. Organic ones!

    I think the concept of consciousness and self-aware AI is interesting. I don't think anything can be truly conscious without a soul, because I relate soul/spirit as consciousness and it is fundamental, true intelligence is consciousness and ultimate consciousness created all of this, we just have different names for that. The question is, does a soul always need a "meat vehicle" such as ours to incarnate into or would it be acceptable that a soul would be born into a machine per spiritual laws? I think it's not impossible, but it is highly improbable.
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    Finally getting a chance to watch:

    For DT:
    From Neal Asher's Line War

    As the two Dragon spheres penetrated deeper into the accretion disc, the attacks on them became infrequent. However, Mika found much more to interest her here. Occasional bacilliforms, lenses, and segmented fragments of wormship structure put in an appearance, but they were rare and, it seemed to her, acted as if lost. It was the other things now being revealed by her scans that absorbed her interest. The twin spheres penetrated clouds of small ovoids that they repelled with hard-fields, since these objects were so small and numerous it was impractical to destroy them with collision lasers. These were, in fact, Jain nodes—trillions of them—and to Mika’s mind the harbinger of the future destruction of the Polity unless something could be done to completely erase them from existence. Then other larger objects began to appear, and it seemed to Mika that the Dragon spheres were travelling into some Jain-tech evolutionary past in which only the oddities were on display.

    The first of these new phenomena to come into view was a mass of leech-like biomechs wound through a quadrate framework that had seemingly been squeezed into a vaguely spherical shape at least a quarter of a mile across. An early version of a wormship, perhaps, or some kind of mutation from the final version? It was difficult to tell. Certainly, it was nowhere near as lethal as a wormship since, though the leech-things showed greater activity as the two spheres approached, seemingly reaching out beseechingly and shedding Jain nodes like puffball spores, the whole construct just hung in space as the spheres parted to circumvent it and then made no attempt to pursue them. Mika was busily studying her scans of this construct and thus ascertaining that it contained no drive of any kind when the next new object hurtled like a hunting barracuda out of the murk.

    The biomech was a fifty-foot-long torpedo impelled by a dirty-burning Buzzard ram-jet. Collector fields sprouted from either side of its forequarters the accretion material they were gathering glowing red-hot as it entered shark’s-gill intakes so that the object appeared to be sprouting external salamander gills. Its front end opened a tri-mandible mouth as it approached, pink inside like a fuchsia, and Mika was reminded of the calloraptor hybrids Skellor had created for his attack on the planet Masada. She gathered as much data as she could on this thing, and as quickly as possible for, accelerating towards the other Dragon sphere, its future lifespan could be no longer than a few minutes. Eventually, a white laser stabbed out from the twin sphere straight down a gullet. Fire exploded from its back end, leaving just a hollow tubular shell glowing red inside, as it tumbled past in the wake of the sphere that had killed it.
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    Thanks, BOB.

    There have been some nice sci fi shorts on DUST about AI. I may post a couple here on the forum.

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