Cancel Culture

**donk** · 15th February 2021, 19:19

Got it, yeah—I am pretty obsessed with US politics these days and it is driving me crazy the way the R’s whine about it about everything, including how them losing ores election is “cancel culturing” 70 million voters and then turning around and censuring Senators for voting to convict DJT. My concern is the twisting of the idea that is getting pervasive in media

**Wind** · 15th February 2021, 21:28

Originally posted by Catsquotl

Johny depp losing his spot on the next disney movie is another.

That case was truly sad and pathetic considering that he was the victim and his crazy BPD wife was abusing him.

She got to stay as the "victim" and didn't lose any roles because of it, as she's a woman. Johnny is going to have more court battles.

**Emil El Zapato** · 16th February 2021, 00:41

If that cancels culture it's been going on for at least 30 years ... men lost that battle long before I left it. It's a term that the right, as they do beyond normal human capability, has brought to the conservative/alt-right consciousness as a dirty word ... I think it was about 30 years ago they did that to the term 'Democrat'. I hate buzz words as bad as any other words used to propagandize for the right. They are literally begging to have the human race cancelled by way of atavism.

**donk** · 16th February 2021, 02:09

Originally posted by Wind

That case was truly sad and pathetic considering that he was the victim and his crazy BPD wife was abusing him.

She got to stay as the "victim" and didn't lose any roles because of it, as she's a woman. Johnny is going to have more court battles.

One of them was lying about the other, it’s presumptuous to believe either not having been there or presented overwhelming evidence...is that what happened here? She unquestionably made shit up to hurt his career?

You KNOW JD was falsely accused, and the powers that be punished him by means “cancel culture”?

Purposely getting someone blacklisted or to lose their job for vindictiveness or whatever selfish reason is being a shitty deceptive person lying and committing a crime.

“Cancel culture” is a concept of the alt-right, the real problem is “deception culture”...too many Americans would rather be lied to than told a truth they don’t like. Too many lies are being “allowed” to be part of our “culture”.

Such a dumb fucking thing to be a goddam talking point. I’m cancel culturing myself from this discussion, peace out y’all

**Aianawa** · 16th February 2021, 06:26

Iirc it was the the statues being first cancelled, could be incorrect though.

**Catsquotl** · 16th February 2021, 09:23

Next time I will start with a detailed explanation and definition of what I mean by the words I type.
I never meant for Cancel Culture to be some sort of left or right winged political tool. Even though it's been abused that way.
Neither the lonely decision of a company canceling a contract.

What I am talking about is the tendency, and maybe I haven't been paying enough attention, that lately it seems more and more prevelant that due to social media and political correctness. People are punished for stuff we deemed insignificant a few years back. Not only that but that there is little room for discussion or truthful ding, but an all out emotionally charged verdict based on an assumption of offence.

If you will donk look into the evergreen story.. you'll see what I mean.

**Emil El Zapato** · 16th February 2021, 11:01

One example does not a meme make.

**Emil El Zapato** · 16th February 2021, 11:20

"the more civilized a society seems to be, the more susceptible it is to its buried atavism"

**Catsquotl** · 16th February 2021, 11:30

Atavism:
a tendency to revert to something ancient or ancestral..

Ok.
Never mind. Guess I'm just seeing things

**Catsquotl** · 16th February 2021, 12:05

Originally posted by NotAPretender

One example does not a meme make.

Agreed. I think I see a newish tendency here. There's more examples. This just is the easiest recognizable

**Dreamtimer** · 16th February 2021, 12:29

Antifa is a Trump thing or being used by Trump DT ?.

Trump is an opportunist. If he can rile up or increase his base in numbers he'll use whatever tool is at hand. Fear-baiting works really well for him. So, antifa is a tool. (And they're tools as individuals because they destroy stuff).

Truth and justice are what is canceled in America, sad fucking day

Well, the wusses had to hide behind procedural bullcrap. "Yes, Trump was bad but bureaucracy, you know."

Just like John Bolton, "Yes, there were grave national security concerns. And if the Democrats had just been nicer to us we would have helped them in the impeachment."

Effing weaklings!

Cats, the impeachment did happen, before the end of Trump's term. People aren't using the correct term. What just happened was the conviction phase. That's the part Clinton also got acquitted for.

If Clinton hadn't been acquitted, he would have been removed from office.

Weird how vague conservatives are with the terminology... Oh wait, not weird at all when folks want to muddy waters.

The wonderful irony is that it was the most bipartisan impeachment trial ever with SEVEN republicans voting to convict.

That's actually a huge number. Normally no-one in the same party will vote to convict. (of course, we've only had a few impeachments)

I knew there was a reason anything american left me feeling indifferent either way. From where I am sitting I hoped for Trump to win. But only because he didn't mingle in world politics much so that would have been one player less to worry about.

He would have, big league. He would have messed with any and every country he felt like. The shackles would have been off and he would have had no compunction about screwing around with other countries.

And then there's the effect that US unrest has on the rest of the world. It would have been exponentially worse.

**Dreamtimer** · 16th February 2021, 12:36

too many Americans would rather be lied to than told a truth they don’t like. Too many lies are being “allowed” to be part of our “culture”.

So true. I see it first hand. My sister-in-law will say things like, "I had to put that out of my head. I just couldn't handle it. I just couldn't handle the truth."

I suppose self-awareness is good. And denial is always bad.

Al Franken got cancelled pretty badly. The photo which cost him his job was from well before he was a Senator. It was in bad taste, and he was a comedian. Comedians do things in bad taste.

There's no reason he couldn't have spoken about it and lessons learned, etc. His actions would demonstrate his sincerity.

And he wasn't given the chance. And he lost his position representing the People.

It was stupid, and considering how so many men still get away with groping, assault and rape, a definite travesty.

There was no justice there.

**Catsquotl** · 16th February 2021, 12:44

Originally posted by Dreamtimer

He would have, big league. He would have messed with any and every country he felt like. The shackles would have been off and he would have had no compunction about screwing around with other countries.

And then there's the effect that US unrest has on the rest of the world. It would have been exponentially worse.

I am not so sure about that. It would have been nice to see the is diminish for a while from their dreams of grand importance. 4 more years of Trump I believe would have given that a good chance.

**Dreamtimer** · 16th February 2021, 12:49

The US falling into disarray isn't really good for the world, is it? We get a fever, the world gets the flu? I don't want to see us suffer and fall apart, and I sure don't want to see the fallout affecting the rest of the world.

I don't want us to screw around with other countries. Our economic influence is inescapable, imo.

Our fall affects all.

**Catsquotl** · 16th February 2021, 13:11

Opinions differ on that one.
It would break my heart to see americans suffer
That said I am not so sure your economic influence is something to be desired.