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    "In 1620 the Mayflower shepherded in the founders of Plymouth Plantation, and in 1630 the Arbela brought John Winthrop with his sermons about the “city on a hill”, but during the decade that separates these canonical arrivals a very different sort of English colonist would establish a very different sort of colony on the South Shore of Massachusetts.

    Merrymount — founded as Mount Wollaston in 1624 near present-day Quincy, Massachusetts — was the brainchild of the Devonshire-born lawyer, raconteur, libertine, rake, and crypto-pagan Thomas Morton (1579–1647). His ideas for colonizing the New World were distinct from either the Plymouth or the Massachusetts Bay Colony.

    While generations of historians have claimed that Americans are intellectually the descendants of stern Calvinist Puritans and Pilgrims, Morton (who stood in opposition to both groups) had his own ideas. The utopian Merrymount, it has long been argued, was a society built upon privileging art and poetry over industriousness and labor, and pursued a policy of intercultural harmony rather than white supremacy. The site where it stood — now an industrial area across the road from a Dunkin’ Donuts3 — once bore witness to a strange and beautiful alternative dream of what America could have been."

    https://publicdomainreview.org/essay...an-subversions

    And here I thought Dunkin' Donuts was the very apex of culture if not pure sophisticated gastronomic delight!

    I forgot to add, other than Findhorn my knowledge of European Utopian societies is limited. Were there many in Europe beginning in the 1600's?
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    Quote Originally posted by Octopus Garden View Post
    "In 1620 the Mayflower shepherded in the founders of Plymouth Plantation, and in 1630 the Arbela brought John Winthrop with his sermons about the “city on a hill”, but during the decade that separates these canonical arrivals a very different sort of English colonist would establish a very different sort of colony on the South Shore of Massachusetts.

    Merrymount — founded as Mount Wollaston in 1624 near present-day Quincy, Massachusetts — was the brainchild of the Devonshire-born lawyer, raconteur, libertine, rake, and crypto-pagan Thomas Morton (1579–1647). His ideas for colonizing the New World were distinct from either the Plymouth or the Massachusetts Bay Colony.

    While generations of historians have claimed that Americans are intellectually the descendants of stern Calvinist Puritans and Pilgrims, Morton (who stood in opposition to both groups) had his own ideas. The utopian Merrymount, it has long been argued, was a society built upon privileging art and poetry over industriousness and labor, and pursued a policy of intercultural harmony rather than white supremacy. The site where it stood — now an industrial area across the road from a Dunkin’ Donuts3 — once bore witness to a strange and beautiful alternative dream of what America could have been."

    https://publicdomainreview.org/essay...an-subversions

    And here I thought Dunkin' Donuts was the very apex of culture if not pure sophisticated gastronomic delight!

    I forgot to add, other than Findhorn my knowledge of European Utopian societies is limited. Were there many in Europe beginning in the 1600's?
    Interesting story, for some reason I learned a history of May day that included 'communism' some how. Is that big in Russia? I remember as a kid making mayday baskets and surprise gifting neighbors with them. I'm so confuusssed.

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    Quote Originally posted by NotAPretender View Post
    Interesting story, for some reason I learned a history of May day that included 'communism' some how. Is that big in Russia? I remember as a kid making mayday baskets and surprise gifting neighbors with them. I'm so confuusssed. ]
    The 1st of May is International Workers' Day, which the USA do not recognize and have supplanted with a festive day of their own, called "Law Day", so as to draw the US population's attention away from International Workers' Day ─ because it smelled like communism, you know?
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    Quote Originally posted by Octopus Garden View Post
    Were there many in Europe beginning in the 1600's?
    The church still had everyone by the balls in that period, although the renaissance was happening............
    Ní siocháin go saoirse

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    First, you gotta power-up thysel

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    And then, if you've got the minerals......... He's out there!

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    That there Paganism is still alive and well 'round these parts.

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    No thanks for me ...
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    I have mixed feelings about paganism. It is awe inspiring and intriguing on the one hand, but scary on the other.

    As far as nature spirits and elves and fairies go, we may be immersed in that world, still, without being aware. Or it may be an omnijective phenomenon that requires input from humanity's mental realm so that it can differentiate from the larger universal mind. Or maybe...I could go on and on.

    Some things can best be understood when stoned out of one's mind.

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    What, no dancing around in forest glades like an actor in A Midsummer Night's Dream?

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    This is kind of funny

    Typically a Utopian community will take at least a couple years to collapse, but Fruitlands got it all done in one. Founded in Harvard, Massachusetts in 1843, the philosophy of the commune started with Transcendentalist ideas and took them way farther than they should have. All residents were strict vegans who were allowed to drink only water, and no animal labor could be used in farming.

    In addition, the residents were not allowed to plant root vegetables on the grounds that might disturb the worms. Needless to say, this didn't ensure for a healthy harvest, and by the winter of 1843 Fruitlands was without food entirely. The main farmhouse is now a museum.

    https://www.pcmag.com/news/11-failed...-you-can-visit

    Surprised they didn't think carrot juice was murder.

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    thanks Dear Reader. What does this say? And what area do you live in, as you mentioned it is still Pagan?

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    Quote Originally posted by Octopus Garden View Post
    This is kind of funny

    Typically a Utopian community will take at least a couple years to collapse, but Fruitlands got it all done in one. Founded in Harvard, Massachusetts in 1843, the philosophy of the commune started with Transcendentalist ideas and took them way farther than they should have. All residents were strict vegans who were allowed to drink only water, and no animal labor could be used in farming.

    In addition, the residents were not allowed to plant root vegetables on the grounds that might disturb the worms. Needless to say, this didn't ensure for a healthy harvest, and by the winter of 1843 Fruitlands was without food entirely. The main farmhouse is now a museum.

    https://www.pcmag.com/news/11-failed...-you-can-visit

    Surprised they didn't think carrot juice was murder.



    thanks Dear Reader. What does this say? And what area do you live in, as you mentioned it is still Pagan?
    It says in the post ''protect thyself''
    Ní siocháin go saoirse

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    Quote Originally posted by Dear Reader View Post
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    That there Paganism is still alive and well 'round these parts.
    Sorry, Hebraic letters have no place in proper pagan traditions. They pre-dated the Hebrews and were a predominately oral transmission people.

    However, since the topic is Neo-Pagainsm, then all bets are off.

    I read runes of the Elder Futhark and was thrown by both the Kano/kenuz rune and the use of the Ing rune for a "Y" which would belong to the Yr rune.

    Neo-Paganism is lost. There are hundreds of thousand of years behind the original 'pagan' tradition.

    Pagan, from the Roman, 'pagani' denoted a 'rustic' or uncivilized Nature 'worshipper'. Untied to the statues of temples but profoundly united with well, springs, rivers and other sources of their well-being. People of the Land that sustained them. Before people of the sword broke that bond with the Earth.

    Want to speak with Lord Sidious about this topic and with 21rst with century tech. Always fun when pagans discuss how others portray us. Unless they are, Neo-Pagan.
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    Quote Originally posted by Octopus Garden View Post
    I have mixed feelings about paganism. It is awe inspiring and intriguing on the one hand, but scary on the other.

    As far as nature spirits and elves and fairies go, we may be immersed in that world, still, without being aware. Or it may be an omnijective phenomenon that requires input from humanity's mental realm so that it can differentiate from the larger universal mind. Or maybe...I could go on and on.

    Some things can best be understood when stoned out of one's mind.



    What, no dancing around in forest glades like an actor in A Midsummer Night's Dream?


    One of my more lucid moments (as far as i'm concerned) : There was a really nasty guy from Ireland working for a very nasty company in which I was doing a tech project. This was during Trump's reign of terror, anyway I'll have to leave out the context because I fo got what it was but:

    It just popped into my head then and I wasn't really even trying to be ugly, it was kind of like when two people indulge in adultery and use the excuse, "it just happened":

    "No matter how much one dances around with the fairies in the forests, it won't change reality"
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    Quote Originally posted by Octopus Garden View Post
    This is kind of funny

    Typically a Utopian community will take at least a couple years to collapse, but Fruitlands got it all done in one. Founded in Harvard, Massachusetts in 1843, the philosophy of the commune started with Transcendentalist ideas and took them way farther than they should have. All residents were strict vegans who were allowed to drink only water, and no animal labor could be used in farming.

    In addition, the residents were not allowed to plant root vegetables on the grounds that might disturb the worms. Needless to say, this didn't ensure for a healthy harvest, and by the winter of 1843 Fruitlands was without food entirely. The main farmhouse is now a museum.

    https://www.pcmag.com/news/11-failed...-you-can-visit

    Surprised they didn't think carrot juice was murder.



    thanks Dear Reader. What does this say? And what area do you live in, as you mentioned it is still Pagan?
    Thanks OG.

    On more than one occasion I've found evidence of 'rituals' that have taken place in the countryside after specific dates. Egg shells, a stuffed toad, which I foolishly took, sigils formed from stripped-bark saplings tied with animal intestine, etc, etc. The statue of the 'Big Fella' is from a place called Devil's Hole in Jersey, Channel Isles.

    In fact, as is oft the case, here is a story of said 'Big Fella' from today's local newspaper:

    FOR ten years or more it has lurked in the dark recesses of a warehouse…
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    Randalls Brewery area manager Dave Cohen with the 'real' statue in the pond at the Priory Pub at Devil’s Hole

    But now the devil is coming out of the shadows and taking up residence in a garden in Jersey, after hundreds of people offered him a home.

    The giant statue of the Prince of Darkness – affectionately named Derek – is a replica of the statue near the Priory Inn at Devil’s Hole.

    Derek has been in storage in a warehouse owned by pub chain Randalls since the company bought the Priory.

    Now that Randalls is relocating from its premises in Clare Street it can no longer accommodate the 20ft fibreglass figure, so offered it free of charge to anyone who wanted it.

    Immediately they received far more offers than they had expected.

    A huge replica of Satan might not be everyone’s first choice of garden ornament. Yet it was put on Randalls’ Facebook page only yesterday and managing director Gavin Reid said: ‘It was phenomenal. We put it out there and I expected maybe ten or 12 people would be interested.

    ‘About 170 replied. Most of them wanted it or recommended people who might.’

    He added: ‘We are relocating our warehouses and we haven’t got the space for it any more. Now someone else can enjoy it, rather than it just sitting indoors.’

    They decided against placing the satanic statue in the grounds of another pub, like its brother at the Priory.

    ‘It doesn’t fit with our family-friendly image,’ Mr Reid said. ‘It might provoke some uncomfortable questions for parents to answer.’

    The statue has been given away for free but Randalls suggested that its new owners could make a donation to Jersey Cheshire Home, the charity the firm is supporting this year.

    It has been delivered to an Islander who intends to give it to a relative as a surprise gift – and so is remaining anonymous. The new owner has made a donation to the charity.
    https://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2...ome-in-jersey/

    To be fair, I always thought it was a statue of Pan.......... Am pretty sure it is. These Islands are full to the rim with Covens, both light and dark. A friend and I once found a hidden room with an alter behind a false wall in a big, sprawling farm house out in the countryside.

    Then there is the (in) famous case of The Beast of Jersey. Edward Paisnel, a local, with very warped tendencies. He was allowed to roam the Island and invade childrens' bedrooms late at night for 11 years, allegedly protected by his 'brotheren' in high-up places. He was only caught by accident.

    From Wiki: Edward John Louis Paisnel (1925 – 1994), dubbed the Beast of Jersey, was a notorious sex offender who terrorised the Channel Island of Jersey between 1960 and 1971. He entered homes at night dressed in a rubber mask and nail-studded wristlets, attacking women and children. His wife, Joan Paisnel, was the founder of a community home in Jersey where, at her request, he once played Santa Claus.

    Further info: https://thetruecrimeenthusiast.co.uk...ast-of-jersey/

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    Imagine that sicko entering your bedroom through the window in the dead of night.

    No thanks.
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    wow, excellent story ...
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    Paganism leads to some excesses, no doubt, but strip a people of all sense of nature and the sensuous, repress the mysterious, the dark, the olde and you end up wit weird rapey culture, in a Mennonite colony called 'Manitoba' in Bolivia.

    But in Manitoba, many people had for months - years even - lived with the knowledge that something was deeply amiss.

    "In the night we heard the dogs bark, but when I went out, I couldn't see anything," says Abraham (not his real name), who was the father of teenaged daughters back in 2009.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-48265703

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