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    Hi OG,

    Having read the article the source problem is obvious. A disturbance of the 'attachment' principle. My adoptive older brother fits this mold pretty well. He was adopted (me too) when he was three. He had been determined an abused child and was put up for adoption.


    Brain anomalies are a different category in my estimation. Someone with an abnormal brain might be described as psycho but what they really are is brain-damaged individuals exhibiting anti-social behaviors.
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    Quote Originally posted by NotAPretender View Post
    Brain anomalies are a different category in my estimation. Someone with an abnormal brain might be described as psycho but what they really are is brain-damaged individuals exhibiting anti-social behaviors.
    I'm not so sure that it would qualify as brain damage. It's only brain damage when there are obvious defects.

    A psychopath's brain works flawlessly. It just isn't capable of higher emotions. A psychopath can feel lust, yearning, rage, anxiety and lots of other low-level things, but they cannot feel love, compassion, remorse or sympathy. They can however quite often empathize, i.e. they can put themselves in somebody else's shoes, but without feeling any remorse or compassion. It's call very clinical and logical to them.
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    The scary thing about psychopaths is that they always try to manipulate people and they succeed in it quite well too.

    If such people get into therapy, they still try to somehow convince others that they are "cured". Yet there is no cure for it.

    There might be of course high functioning psychopaths who don't cause harm to others, but in general they view others as objects.

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    Quote Originally posted by Wind View Post
    The scary thing about psychopaths is that they always try to manipulate people and they succeed in it quite well too.

    If such people get into therapy, they still try to somehow convince others that they are "cured". Yet there is no cure for it.

    There might be of course high functioning psychopaths who don't cause harm to others, but in general they view others as objects.
    I think a lot of this misunderstanding comes from people assuming that the word "psychopath" would be synonymous with "serial killer" or "mass murderer". It is not. Those are different things, even though serial killers usually are psychopaths, and mass murderers usually are sociopaths.

    As the matter of fact, most psychopaths lead a seemingly very normal life ─ albeit that they may abuse their family members in one way or the other ─ and the more intelligent ones are generally drawn to positions of power. Corporate executives, military leaders and politicians are good candidates. And sociopaths often fall into crime ─ anything from petty crimes to organized crime.
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    As the matter of fact, most psychopaths lead a seemingly very normal life ─ albeit that they may abuse their family members in one way or the other ─ and the more intelligent ones are generally drawn to positions of power. Corporate executives, military leaders and politicians are good candidates.
    Yes, I think that's where nurture comes in. Such people have probably had a good upbringing and they didn't end up committing crimes if their childhoods weren't bad and abusive. They can be good in their jobs, but they also can be nasty bosses, leaders and overall ruthless people. Corporate world especially would favor such people as CEO's. They're superficially charming often.

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    And everybody missed Mooji's great message? All these negatives are "just in our heads", i.e. the mind is playing tricks on us. Just saying...
    Whatever is true. Whatever is noble. Whatever is right. Whatever is lovely. Whatever is admirable. Anything of excellence and worthy of praise. Dwell on these things. Jesus Christ (I agree)

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    Not yet, Elen ... I plan to get back to it. I'm sure it is a good one...
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    and you are correct, It is all in my head, I'm really struggling with all the negativity right now.
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    Well yes, on the critique, but I would go even further. Responsibility has more than one context and it is not just the one that Peterson espouses. The impetus of responsibility is survival, survival of self and genetic offspring and others that are part of the perceptual 'family'. If an individual is stymied at legitimate courses of action (legitimate as evaluated by social norms and mores) then the individual is by default forced into seeming illegitimate courses to meet survival goals. Well, there you have it all wrapped up in a nice neat package. And that goes utterly unrecognized by the 'good' half of society.

    I'm liking that French dude ... oops Hungarian dude. Seems an individual well suited for his profession, unlike Peterson ... back to being nicey nice for me.
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    Quote Originally posted by NotAPretender View Post
    I'm liking that French dude ... oops Hungarian dude.
    Who? Gabor Mate is Canadian.

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    it's all the same, he be white, one of the good ones ... I hope you realize I am being completely sarcastic ... Normally, I would say I was just joking but I'm not in a joking mood.
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    Quote Originally posted by Wind View Post
    Here's the calming stuff that I promised.


    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NjPdqd7mQM
    classic road to awareness, when one stops resisting, then the natural existent manifests. It's true. But if you need to scratch ... resist the urge... or you'll be a total failure as an enlightened one ...
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    Quote Originally posted by NotAPretender View Post
    it's all the same, he be white, one of the good ones ... I hope you realize I am being completely sarcastic ... Normally, I would say I was just joking but I'm not in a joking mood.
    I read Gabor's profile and got what you meant there. I've felt for a while that this guy is something exceptional. Radical compassion!

    Born in Budapest, Hungary in 1944, Maté is a Jewish survivor of the Holocaust. His maternal grandparents were killed in Auschwitz when he was five months old. His aunt disappeared during the war, and his father endured forced labour at the hands of the Nazis. He emigrated to Canada with his family in 1956. He was a student radical during the Vietnam War era in the late 1960s and graduated with a B.A. from the University of British Columbia in Vancouver.

    He has a background in family practice and a special interest in childhood development and trauma, and in their potential lifelong impacts on physical and mental health, including on autoimmune disease, cancer, ADHD, addictions, and a wide range of other conditions.

    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIjvXtZRerY

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    Hi Wind, yeah, I agree completely, but he has critics, of course.

    What is obvious is that he cares. The attention he gets is natural as he is a rational competent psychologist. He isn't trying to dominate, he is trying to help ...

    I've actually changed my opinion of Brand, there is a lot more to him that I actually suspected.
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