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    Italy sewage study suggests COVID-19 was already there in December 2019

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    LONDON (Reuters) - Scientists in Italy have found traces of the new coronavirus in wastewater collected from Milan and Turin in December 2019 - suggesting COVID-19 was already circulating in northern Italy before China reported the first cases.




    The Italian National Institute of Health looked at 40 sewage samples collected from wastewater treatment plants in northern Italy between October 2019 and February 2020. An analysis released on Thursday said samples taken in Milan and Turin on Dec. 18 showed the presence of the SARS-Cov-2 virus.

    “This research may help us understand the beginning of virus circulation in Italy,” said Giuseppina La Rosa, an expert in environmental wastewater at the Italian National Institute of Health who co-led the research.

    A spokeswoman for the institute said the full data and study would be published next week.

    Research in the Netherlands, France, Australia and elsewhere has found signs that the virus that causes COVID-19 can be detected in sewage, and many countries are beginning to sample wastewater to track the disease.

    Scientists said the detection of traces of the virus before the end of 2019 was consistent with evidence in other countries that COVID-19 may have been circulating before China reported the first cases on Dec. 31.

    Noel McCarthy, an expert in population evidence and technologies at Britain’s Warwick Medical School, said the detection of SARS-Cov-2 genetic material in Italian wastewater in December was “reliable evidence of cases of COVID-19 being present there at that time”.

    Rowland Kao, an epidemiology and data professor at Scotland’s Edinburgh University, agreed it was plausible the disease could have circulating then, but added: “(This finding) does not on its own, however, tell us if that early detection was the source of the very large epidemic in Italy, or if that was due to a later introduction into the country.”

    A study in May by French scientists found that a man was infected with COVID-19 as early as Dec. 27, nearly a month before France confirmed its first cases.

    La Rosa said the presence of the virus in the Italian waste samples did not “automatically imply that the main transmission chains that led to the development of the epidemic in our country originated from these very first cases”.

    Samples positive for traces of the virus that causes COVID-19 were also found in sewage from Bologna, Milan and Turin in January and February 2020. Samples taken in October and November 2019 tested negative.

    The institute said it plans to launch a pilot study in July to monitor wastewater in tourist resorts.


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    Poor little baby. I'm not at all surprised by this study. No doubt it has been around just waiting for its moment.
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    Or does this show other potentials for its world wide release, as confirmation has happened from certain people/scientests that had to be human made, no way a cross over, some know it is impossible and was created imo. Truth will eventuate one day.

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    Quote Originally posted by Aianawa View Post
    Or does this show other potentials for its world wide release, as confirmation has happened from certain people/scientests that had to be human made, no way a cross over, some know it is impossible and was created imo. Truth will eventuate one day.
    Personally, I don't believe in the conspiracy theory that the virus would have been man-made. There isn't any scientific evidence to support that claim, which primarily seems to originate from the Donald Trump administration. In fact, even though how the virus was capable of migrating from animals to humans remains a mystery ─ just as with the (related) HIV virus ─ all evidence so far suggests that it is a purely natural phenomenon. How the virus then began spreading ─ and when exactly ─ is yet another matter.

    That said, it is definitely worth looking into the fact that the renewed flare-up of Covid-19 infections in China right now is being traced down to imported meat from Europe ─ not necessarily the meat itself, but maybe it's on the packaging material ─ and especially if you consider that there is also a second flare-up in Germany, and that the largest German meat-processing company is currently under investigation regarding its role in this new German flare-up.
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    No way to cross over? Viral cross-overs happen way more than humans would want. And they happen with extended proximity to the animals which carry them, usually in farms or markets, also through bush hunting.

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    I researched and watched lots of pre cov19 data this needed help, was it patented ?

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    Quote Originally posted by Aianawa View Post
    I researched and watched lots of pre cov19 data this needed help, was it patented ?
    I'm not sure, but I think someone tried to patent something to do with this virus, yes. Maybe the genome itself, or perhaps a vaccine. I also don't know whether the patent was granted.
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    it was the genome for vaccine study...just in case... we are now in the middle of the case ...
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    In Northern Ireland in December we had a horrible "flu" that we are now convinced was covid 19. People that got it had chest infections and trouble breathing. I think it had already gone round most of the population before the government decided to do anything.

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