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    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    Well, by the standards of most of the world, most Americans ARE right-wing. I mean my own PM gets his marching orders from Steve Bannon and Breitbart, but on most issues he is actually to the left of Bernie Sanders. We have free college, three years of maternity leave for women, a minimum of four weeks compulsory paid holidays, paid sick leave, free Doctor's visits and Universal Health Care. European socialists think he is the second coming of Hitler, but his actual policies are closer to what Bernie Sanders has been advocating for the US.

    Hillary Clinton would probably be considered a Nazi war-hawk if she was German, yet, inexplicably, the US right claims she is Left-Wing. Only compared to the ultra-right-wing Republicans. Compare her to someone like Merkel (Christian Democrat / Conservative) or Boris Johnson (Conservative) and she is significantly to their right on most issues.
    The entire US "medical system" is a scam... the moniker "the medical mafia" fits it perfect.

    But no one in the US wants the same people who built and run the US Postal Service (the US Gubermint) to take over "Health Care" from the mob.

    Europe is 'socialism light' and, if I recall, the "medical systems" in Belgium have not served one of our loved ones well at all (which pisses me off by the way because I love 'the guy').
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    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    Well, by the standards of most of the world, most Americans ARE right-wing.
    Of course we would be. When you are the most powerful nation on Earth and can kick arse at will not only all over the planet but now, in space too!... of course you would dig in and "defend your world dominance! Get over it.

    Actually... some of us Americans are devotees of something far more powerful than a physically bound (souless) temporal power, but we can still jest.

    (hint, she goes by many names... but my favorite is Sophia)
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    Quote Originally posted by Chester View Post
    The entire US "medical system" is a scam... the moniker "the medical mafia" fits it perfect.
    Indeed. If not quite a scam, certainly a racket. It is designed to extract maximum resources from everyone involved, who has the misfortune of having to fund it.

    But no one in the US wants the same people who built and run the US Postal Service (the US Gubermint) to take over "Health Care" from the mob.
    How would that be worse than the current situation? The government wouldn't actually have to run it, they could just create fairer conditions and better bargaining power, cutting out a lot of the middlemen. Hybrid systems, like the one in France, are usually considered the best.

    Europe is 'socialism light' and, if I recall, the "medical systems" in Belgium have not served one of our loved ones well at all (which pisses me off by the way because I love 'the guy').
    I don't think European healthcare systems have done any worse than the one in the US. Despite the rhetoric, Europe isn't really socialist, that's just US right-wing propaganda. I grew up under actual socialism, so trust me, I know. For one, under real socialism, not only is there no unemployment, but it is actually illegal to be unemployed. As a result, most jobs are redundant, or several people do a job that one person could do by himself. It is incredibly inefficient, so socialist systems always fail. Europe is actually highly capitalistic and market-oriented, it's just that there is a wider social safety net than in the US.

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    Again, gubment is a reflection of both its people and more importantly the 'ambience' of its leaders. Not to mention the general intelligence of all...sigh...If government leaders 'WANT TO HELP', they can make it work. For example, with Trump as current President, how well do you think government could implement anything, anything at all. The grind of the Hegelian Dialectic is working against us all, at the moment.
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    Quote Originally posted by NotAPretender View Post
    For example, with Trump as current President, how well do you think government could implement anything, anything at all.
    Here's a US-centric reply - 1000% better than any of the alternatives (both current and former over the past 30 years)

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    In yo' face, Truth
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    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    Wasn't referring to you specifically, just those on the Right (in the US mostly) in general who think Covid-19 is a hoax of some sorts to bring down Trump.
    There may be multiple reasons a "health event" has been so expertly exploited (and which happens to be the HOAX of COVID-19(84).

    This Coronavirus Fraud Is Planned Panic and Murder for the Purpose of Advancing Agendas of Control

    “We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force.” ~ Ayn Rand — Ayn Rand– Nathaniel Branden, Alan Greenspan, Robert Hessen (1986). “Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal”, p.320, Penguin

    It has taken little time for the people in the Unites States to become a comatose society due the fraud called coronavirus. An easier takeover of the minds of Americans could hardly have been imagined. This has been due in large part to mass ignorance that has been bred into the people over many decades. Ignorance will always be evident in the herd, so in order to survive as a free soul, one must open his mind and change his perceptions so that an escape from ignorance is possible. Accomplishment of this freedom requires a belief in only what one can prove, so question everything and believe only in self. Accept love, empathy, caring, joy, humility, kindness, compassion, and truth, and this will lead to a joining with others instead of fear and divisiveness.

    At this point, fear is the single common denominator of human action, and that fear has led to chaos and large-scale submission. That is a recipe for tyranny, and this is well known by the engineers of this fake crisis, as they structured this pandemic in a manner to cause global upheaval through isolation and pitting everyone against his neighbor. By doing this, infighting has taken the place of sanity, and instead of questioning the government’s false narrative people are questioning each other. That leaves the real criminals free to continue their plot to restructure society to fit their agenda of total control.

    One of the lynchpins in any effort to control large numbers of people is manufactured confusion, as mass confusion does not allow enough time to sort out the truth. What has happened in a period of a few weeks is a tidal wave of confusion and doubt, with the hype from government assuring those already confused masses that rushing to get a vaccine will free all from risk of death. In order to control the panic, government is claiming to be fast tracking an effort to create a vaccine when the vaccine is already available, and has been for some time in my opinion. In fact, any vaccine that is mandated to the public in the near term will be so deadly as to cause the next wave, followed by more waves of sickness and death, all due to the viruses and adjutants injected directly into a populace that has had their immune systems destroyed due to government mandated isolation. In essence, vaccination will enhance death, and will only lead to more control, more isolation, and more false testing, allowing for constant and continuous lockdowns, surveillance, tracing, and imprisonment.

    This is so much more than a virus, as any actual virus is minor compared to this response meant to take over society. This is about a technocratic takeover, where most everything is controlled from a central planning grid, where the most advantaged and the elites will have everything they need through automated services while the bulk of society will suffer the consequences of being locked into a controlled and monitored working class environment. The destruction of this current economic system is already far advanced, as the consequences of shutdowns, business closings, food supply destruction, additional sickness, despair, and unemployment will not only harm some, but will be devastating to all in this society other than the very top tier.

    In addition, all privacy is gone, movement is monitored and controlled, and future life choices will be based on whether one has complied with government’s mandates of distancing, vaccination, testing, and other mandated orders concerning any and all behavior patterns. Being prodded, probed, injected, and surveilled is now the “new normal,” with threats of state violence should any not adhere to direct orders by central planning authorities claiming the right to rule.

    People are being murdered on a daily basis, especially the old and those with immune system weakness, and this is no accident and not due to any virus. Many hospitals are closed, normal medical care and surgery have been eliminated or suspended, many are dying in their homes for fear of going to a hospital, or knowing that they can get no care due the fact that hospitals are refusing to help those in need. Most every patient that does get admitted to a hospital is putting their life at risk, as any diagnosed with Covid means higher pay to the hospital, and when the hospital puts any patient on a ventilator, normally a death sentence, the pay to the hospital is increased by multiple times. This is a travesty.

    Other things are happening as this dystopia continues, as the governor of Washington indicated a few days ago that any who do not cooperate with “contact tracers” and that do not allow forced testing, will not be allowed to leave their homes for any reason. Armed military personnel and other private contractors hired by the state are enforcing this invasion of citizens, and these totalitarian measures will soon be nationwide if heavy resistance is not forthcoming.

    Our future looks bleak. Our privacy is now a thing of the past, our homes can be invaded at any time by state goons pretending to protect the public, and life is relegated to one that is digital, and void of personal space and normal human interaction. Entertainment has been virtually eliminated, and simple pleasures such as dining out are now akin to a sterile science fiction setting. Travel is almost impossible, and without the ability to move, to gather together, and to laugh and play, life is becoming unlivable.

    What has happened to the people of this country? Why is the bulk of society so willing to allow false fear to drive them to slavery? Why have normal people acquiesced to orders from the state; orders that have destroyed their livelihoods, property, and families, and placed them in a position of dependence that is never-ending? Starvation and poverty are knocking at the door of many in this country, but none should allow the government’s evil intentions to ever see the light of day due to this bogus pandemic created for the single purpose of destroying all that is good about humanity in order to create a world of non-human action.

    We can take our right to life and freedom, or we can cower in fear and die. [emphasis by Chester]

    “There are moments that define a person’s whole life. Moments in which everything they are and everything they may possibly become balance on a single decision. Life and death, hope and despair, victory and failure teeter precariously on the decision made at that moment. These are moments ungoverned by happenstance, untroubled by luck. These are the moments in which a person earns the right to live, or not.”

    ~ Jonathan Maberry (2012). “Tales of the Rot & Ruin: Rot & Ruin; Dust & Decay; Dead & Gone, a Rot & Ruin story; Flesh & Bone”, p.233, Simon and Schuster
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    Jaysus, Corons are such snowflakes. They have to spend a couple of weeks at home watching Netflix and they think they are living in 1984... What utter Tosh. If anything, the US government's response has been far too timid, which is why there is a raging epidemic there right now.

    The economic effects are no joke, but that's what pandemics do. Just ask anyone who had to live through the Spanish Flu, Cholera or the Black Plague. It is a natural consequence of contagious disease. You have to isolate people and shut down the economy, there's no other way to stop, or at least mitigate a contagious, airborne and deadly disease that has no known treatment or vaccine.

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    that's hilarious Chris...yeah, the whole thing is ridiculous...deny and cry...decry... what a load...
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    Chester's Chatter is inclusive! We embrace all.

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    600 Doctors disagree with Chris and NotAPretender

    Read the letter in the article. I could have posted the letter but would have had to sign up.

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...s-even-deadly/

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    Disagree with what Chester? You're still not getting it at all (that's what my work trainer tells me everytime I talk to him). Breitbart has some agenda, didn't he die? and when he did did not someone write an Obit that said, "well, at least his mother loved him"?
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    Quote Originally posted by NotAPretender View Post
    Disagree with what Chester? You're still not getting it at all (that's what my work trainer tells me everytime I talk to him). Breitbart has some agenda, didn't he die? and when he did did not someone write an Obit that said, "well, at least his mother loved him"?
    You have an agenda, I don't conclude everything you put out there is worthless info or lies or that it makes a great case for the stupidity of progressive ideas.

    I embrace you!

    Also I believe you can read - "Read the letter in the article. I could have posted the letter but would have had to sign up."

    or... read the article from The Hill -

    https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...en-the-country
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    I do not wish to read this letter, it may change my truth, is there an easier pill to swallow ?

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    Quote Originally posted by Aianawa View Post
    I do not wish to read this letter, it may change my truth, is there an easier pill to swallow ?
    Yes...

    Doctors push Trump to quickly reopen country in letter organized by conservatives

    More than 600 physicians signed a letter organized in part by a conservative group that warns President Trump against a lengthy economic shutdown because of the coronavirus.

    The doctors call such closures a "mass casualty" event.

    COMMENT By Chester:

    "Duh!"

    "A no brainer"

    and in the same vein -

    As mask use rises dramatically, evidence for their effectiveness is 'sparse and contested'

    Short summary - "Masks" don't do shit."

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