Coronavirus with an R0 of 3 or beyond

[Emil El Zapato]

In what way would have wearing a mask saved him?

Ordinary cloth masks, which most people wear are placebos at best.

N95 masks do provide some protection, but even that is more of a statistical effect, in that if enough people wear them collectively, it will significantly reduce instances of transmission.

I actually find the Mainstream Media highly dishonest on this issue. They cherry-pick instances like these, which are inevitable during a pandemic, for political purposes and yet when it comes to the ineffectiveness of ordinary cloth masks or the very real dangers of spike protein shots they suddenly seem a lot less vocal.

Tens of thousands have already died after vaccinations and many more have suffered serious injury, but you only ever hear about a few high-profile cases, giving you the false impression that these are extremely rare.

Probably multiple ways, Chris, but I would say the most important one would be the Akashic record and karma (In your terms). My God isn't fond of individuals that work against the best interests of humanity. Not vengeful, mind you, but if the individual soul is on the wrong track the universal doesn't intervene as this is against the Prime's prime directive, free will, and one's ownership of the consequences while on Earth and in the spirit world.

[Chris]

Hi DT,

I think you make some important points, which deserve further analysis.

I recently read that the concept of 'herd immunity' originated with the eugenics movement. I have not looked into this. But it does contain a large amount of 'let 'em die' in it.

Probably true, though I have never looked into eugenics. It certainly is a cruel and callous approach to any pandemic, for which the current conservative government in the UK was roundly criticised. As an aside, I think the UK tory madmen would probably qualify for worst government in the world right now. I cannot think of a single issue they haven't grossly mishandled.

For our modern definition to work we need natural as well as vaccine immunity. We don't get there by infections alone.

Technically true, but with some caveats. The vaccines have to have a long term effect, defend against variants and mutations and have to be safe. Generally true for most vaccines, not sure if those criteria can be applied to all currently available covid vaccines. This is partly because of the uncertainty around the new, pretty untested technologies used as well as the general difficulty of creating vaccines for coronaviruses, something we haven't really been able to do successfully in the past.

If contracting the disease really gives longer protection, awesome. Getting sick most certainly brings long-term debilitation for many.

Agreed

In this country, many folks want less rather than more support for disabilities and yet they promote a circumstance which will likely create many more long-term health issues including long-term elevated heart rates, shortness of breath, loss of strength, loss of taste and smell which can be dangerous, other heart issues, digestive problems, damage to the digestive system and more.

And there are the after effects if intubation and ventilators which is no cake-walk.

If people are doing actual risk-management analysis and weighing pros and cons, great. If they're following the leader playing with horse paste and bleach gargle, not so much.

Sadly, here in my country, there are thousands willing to injure themselves with something not intended for treatment rather than protect themselves in ways which have been tested and successfully used.

The dangers of vaccination, we do have viral vector vaccines here, simply do not, in any way shape or form outweigh the dangers of the disease. This remains the case.

I do have an issue with you bringing politics into it (again), but I get your overall point.

I understand why people would be allergic to covid-conspiracy theories and anti-vaxxers in general. I get it, I really do.

But, let's not throw the baby out with bathwater, shall we?

There is, I think plenty of cause for concern about the way Big Everything (we might as well call it Big Brother, due to its sinister and orwellian nature) has suppressed research and approval into effective pharmacological treatments for covid in favour of much more lucrative and ENDLESS vaccinations. There's a very clear conspiracy right there, done in broad daylight and in plain sight.

I also get the point that potential vaccine injuries and deaths are less likely than the same sort of injuries or death with actually getting covid, HOWEVER this is only true collectively, on an individual level, people might well decide that they'd rather take their chances with covid, especially if they've already had it and recovered, than with what is a highly suspect vaccination, that has caused death and injury on an unprecedented level. No vaccination, ever, has caused this many casualties and that is just a fact that Mainstream Media and the political Left in particular continues to ignore, even though it is an irrefutable fact.

People also aren't told about the potential dangers beforehand, which is criminal in my view. All we have is relentless propaganda, which is incredibly one-sided.

[Dreamtimer]

Where's the politics, Chris? I don't see it. I haven't mentioned politics.

Now, policy and the direct outcomes as well as practice on the street, those are something different.



Masks are a collective preventive measure which works as a group.

This is also true with sneezing in the elbow, using tissues, not spitting on the street, not breathing on the salad bar and much much more.

The making of wearing masks into such a ridiculous circus is just embarrassing for humanity.

We're not stupid but we're sure acting it.

[Wind]

I hate using the public transports and avoid them like the plague, but sometimes I have to use them if I don't have any other options. I don't have a car and mainly I use a bike. Recently it was just like that one day and I also don't like to wear masks either, but for obvious reasons I do wear them when I'm in closed public spaces. That's because I don't want to spread any virus nor do I want to receive any with my compromised immune system. Well, as luck would have it of course in the bus there was a seemingly mature woman who came to sit next to me and without a mask, she was coughing a lot. I didn't say anything even if I could have been quite mean about it, but it was quite unpleasant to be in that situation. At times I hardly can fathom the stupidity and inconsiderateness of people. Wearing a mask in public places is nothing, dying is another thing.

[Chris]

Where's the politics, Chris? I don't see it. I haven't mentioned politics.

If they're following the leader playing with horse paste and bleach gargle, not so much.

I take it, that's a reference to the Orange One and his followers, isn't it?

Masks are a collective preventive measure which works as a group.

IF the masks used are proper ones. The ones most people use, ordinary cloth masks, do next to nothing. Actually, for a time, in Austria, N95 masks were mandated for everyone in closed public spaces, which I think is a smart move.

This is also true with sneezing in the elbow, using tissues, not spitting on the street, not breathing on the salad bar and much much more.

One would think that should be common courtesy by now, but sadly, it isn't. I also have an issue with shaking hands. The Janitor at my workplace shakes everyone's hands in the morning, then comes to me to shake my hand, usually whilst I'm literally eating a sandwich with my bare hands. I'm like literally WTF, can we stop this stupid custom already? We might as well french kiss each other on the mouth every morning or start licking each others' assholes like dogs do...

The making of wearing masks into such a ridiculous circus is just embarrassing for humanity.

We're not stupid but we're sure acting it.

To a certain extent, but then there was the story of the British bloke in Singapore, who was jailed, sectioned, beaten by the police, then deported, because he refused to wear a mask.

At what point is forcing everyone to wear a mask in pubic just a big brother police state measure designed to intimidate the population?

[Dreamtimer]

The first sentence comes from current sources currently pushing alternatives. Those sources are all over the place. MSM and alternative 'news'.

If it started with the 'Orange One' that ain't my fault. It's an ongoing, fucked up thing.



Vaccine resistance is killing people, and not just here. Nothing personal, by the way.

This is not ‘only in America.’ Britain and Brexit. Hungary and Orban. Greece and (i think the name was) Golden Dawn. Germany and AfD. France and LePen.

There are fascist movements and similar bizarro nationalist things all over Europe, and the best available intel says all of them have connections back to Russia.

Saying ‘only in America’ is reverse exceptionalism. We neglect the rest of the world and its trends at our peril.

[Chris]

Don't get me started on the US Left-Wing media's treatment of Hungary during the past couple of months. It pisses me off.

There aren't sufficiently potent swearwords in the English Language to express how I feel about this right now, I'd have to resort to Hungarian.

Suffice to say, the disgusting little cunts have been lying through their teeth and deliberately smearing Hungary and Hungarians because we aren't sufficiently woke for their taste.

I will say no more because the whole internet will blow up from the choice words I have for them.

[Emil El Zapato]

Don't get me started on the US Left-Wing media's treatment of Hungary during the past couple of months. It pisses me off.

There aren't sufficiently potent swearwords in the English Language to express how I feel about this right now, I'd have to resort to Hungarian.

Suffice to say, the disgusting little cunts have been lying through their teeth and deliberately smearing Hungary and Hungarians because we aren't sufficiently woke for their taste.

I will say no more because the whole internet will blow up from the choice words I have for them.

ahem... Have you noticed any U.S. bashing going on? I don't take it seriously for a second. I know the U.S. is comprised of a bunch of a-holes. I'm working with a guy from California right now and we work with a group of offshore folks ... A euphemism for a group from India. This guy, bless his heart, I think means well but he comes across as a typical 'ugly' American. In an international meeting with corporate lackeys comprised of project stakeholders he literally told them that they were being irresponsible in providing our needs to be productive and accomplish goals. He is not an atypical boorish fool, I like him and I'm sure we could be friends if we lived in close proximity but he is an embarrassment to the United States. If somebody from another country tells me my country sucks my first thought is always, "Yeah, so what's your point!"

[Chris]

ahem... Have you noticed any U.S. bashing going on? I don't take it seriously for a second. I know the U.S. is comprised of a bunch of a-holes. I'm working with a guy from California right now and we work with a group of offshore folks ... A euphemism for a group from India. This guy, bless his heart, I think means well but he comes across as a typical 'ugly' American. In an international meeting with corporate lackeys comprised of project stakeholders he literally told them that they were being irresponsible in providing our needs to be productive and accomplish goals. He is not an atypical boorish fool, I like him and I'm sure we could be friends if we lived in close proximity but he is an embarrassment to the United States. If somebody from another country tells me my country sucks my first thought is always, "Yeah, so what's your point!"

That's a good point actually.

[Chris]

Yes, I know, Michelle Malkin.

Still, the below write-up about the dishonest propaganda surrounding Ivermectin is worth a read. If you haven't yet figured out that this is done because Vaccines are highly lucrative and Ivermectin isn't, I hope you soon will. Big Pharma, people. It's not our friend, let me just put it that way.

Ivermectin—Horse Hockey Versus Truth

Shhhhh. The information I'm about to share with you is dangerous and subversive. You cannot publish it on social media platforms without risking scary labels and permanent suspensions. You and anyone you discuss this topic with will be called anti-science "kooks," "conspiracy theorists" or "quacks."

So be it. I've been called every pejorative name in the globalist elites' overworn handbook of ad hominem attacks over the past 30 years. Who cares?

The airwaves have been littered the past month with disparaging reports about ivermectin, which the U.S. Food and Drug Administration warns should not be used to treat or prevent COVID-19. "You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y'all. Stop it," the official FDA Twitter account snidely admonished last week.

Well, you are not a sheep either. So don't be cowed by Big Pharma and their bought-off Swamp bureaucrats. Seriously, y'all. These are the performative actors who've flipped and flopped on masks, rushed experimental jabs to market, brazenly denied deadly adverse events and advocated mix-and-match booster shots as part of the most notorious junk science experiment in human history.

First things first: The government and corporate media's repeated description of ivermectin in headline after headline as a "horse de-wormer" is pure propaganda. Yes, it is used as an anti-parasitic for animals. But ivermectin has been used to treat humans for parasitic infections for more than three decades. As Wisconsin critical care specialist Dr. Pierre Kory and his colleagues affiliated with the Memphis VA Medical Center-University of Tennessee, University of Texas Health Science Center, Hackensack School of Medicine and Eastern Virginia Medical School noted in a recent literature review published in the peer-reviewed medical journal the American Journal of Therapeutics:

"Originally introduced as a veterinary drug, (ivermectin) soon made historic impacts in human health, improving the nutrition, general health, and well-being of billions of people worldwide ever since it was first used to treat onchocerciasis (river blindness) in humans in 1988. It proved ideal in many ways, given that it was highly effective, broad-spectrum, safe, well tolerated, and could be easily administered. Although it was used to treat a variety of internal nematode infections, it was most known as the essential mainstay of 2 global disease elimination campaigns that has nearly eliminated the world of two of its most disfiguring and devastating diseases."

That's right. Billions of humans around the world have taken ivermectin (approved by the FDA and considered an "essential medicine" by the World Health Organization) under mass distribution programs to eradicate onchocerciasis (river blindness) and other tropical diseases. Ivermectin has also been shown to inhibit a broad range of viruses in laboratory studies, including HIV, influenza, West Nile virus and other RNA viruses. In 2018, more than 130,000 patients in the U.S. were prescribed the drug. It is a human drug, no matter how many times the mad cows in the media try to fear-monger you into believing otherwise.

So, should ivermectin be pursued as a treatment or prophylaxis for COVID-19?

The COVID-19 control freaks don't even want you to ask the question out loud or debate it on the internet. But unlike farm animals, you can exercise your free will and search for the evidence yourselves:

A study in the peer-reviewed journal Antiviral Research reported that ivermectin inhibited the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in vitro and concluded that "ivermectin is worthy of further consideration as a possible SARS-CoV-2 antiviral."

An analysis published in the peer-reviewed International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents in November 2020 found that "countries with routine mass drug administration of prophylactic chemotherapy including ivermectin have a significantly lower incidence of COVID-19. ... Prophylactic use of ivermectin against parasitic infections is most common in Africa and we hence show that the reported correlation is highly significant both when compared among African nations as well as in a worldwide context. ... It is suggested that ivermectin be evaluated for potential off-label prophylactic use in certain cases to help bridge the time until a safe and effective vaccine becomes available."

A small, pilot, double-blind, placebo-controlled randomized clinical trial conducted in Spain and published in The Lancet in January didn't find statistically significant differences in COVID-19 viral loads but did find "a marked reduction of self-reported anosmia/hyposmia, a reduction of cough and a tendency to lower viral loads and lower (antibody) titers which warrants assessment in larger trials."

A systematic review of ivermectin's antiviral effects published in the peer-reviewed journal Nature found that it "could serve as a potential candidate in the treatment of a wide range of viruses including COVID-19 as well as other types of positive-sense single-stranded RNA viruses."

A study in the peer-reviewed journal Chest found statistically significant lower mortality rates among hospitalized COVID-19 patients prescribed ivermectin (along with hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin or both) compared with patients without ivermectin in Broward County, Florida.
You can find more related studies on ivermectin and COVID-19 in PubMed, the federal scientific database, and weigh all the costs and benefits for you and your families. Remember: "Misinformation" simply means information that the powers that be want you to miss.

COPYRIGHT 2020 CREATORS.COM
Michelle Malkin

[Aragorn]

Yes, I know, Michelle Malkin.

Still, the below write-up about the dishonest propaganda surrounding Ivermectin is worth a read. If you haven't yet figured out that this is done because Vaccines are highly lucrative and Ivermectin isn't, I hope you soon will. Big Pharma, people. It's not our friend, let me just put it that way.

Ivermectin—Horse Hockey Versus Truth

Shhhhh. The information I'm about to share with you is dangerous and subversive. You cannot publish it on social media platforms without risking scary labels and permanent suspensions. You and anyone you discuss this topic with will be called anti-science "kooks," "conspiracy theorists" or "quacks."

So be it. I've been called every pejorative name in the globalist elites' overworn handbook of ad hominem attacks over the past 30 years. Who cares?

The airwaves have been littered the past month with disparaging reports about ivermectin, which the U.S. Food and Drug Administration warns should not be used to treat or prevent COVID-19. "You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y'all. Stop it," the official FDA Twitter account snidely admonished last week.

Well, you are not a sheep either. So don't be cowed by Big Pharma and their bought-off Swamp bureaucrats. Seriously, y'all. These are the performative actors who've flipped and flopped on masks, rushed experimental jabs to market, brazenly denied deadly adverse events and advocated mix-and-match booster shots as part of the most notorious junk science experiment in human history.

First things first: The government and corporate media's repeated description of ivermectin in headline after headline as a "horse de-wormer" is pure propaganda. Yes, it is used as an anti-parasitic for animals. But ivermectin has been used to treat humans for parasitic infections for more than three decades. As Wisconsin critical care specialist Dr. Pierre Kory and his colleagues affiliated with the Memphis VA Medical Center-University of Tennessee, University of Texas Health Science Center, Hackensack School of Medicine and Eastern Virginia Medical School noted in a recent literature review published in the peer-reviewed medical journal the American Journal of Therapeutics:

"Originally introduced as a veterinary drug, (ivermectin) soon made historic impacts in human health, improving the nutrition, general health, and well-being of billions of people worldwide ever since it was first used to treat onchocerciasis (river blindness) in humans in 1988. It proved ideal in many ways, given that it was highly effective, broad-spectrum, safe, well tolerated, and could be easily administered. Although it was used to treat a variety of internal nematode infections, it was most known as the essential mainstay of 2 global disease elimination campaigns that has nearly eliminated the world of two of its most disfiguring and devastating diseases."

That's right. Billions of humans around the world have taken ivermectin (approved by the FDA and considered an "essential medicine" by the World Health Organization) under mass distribution programs to eradicate onchocerciasis (river blindness) and other tropical diseases. Ivermectin has also been shown to inhibit a broad range of viruses in laboratory studies, including HIV, influenza, West Nile virus and other RNA viruses. In 2018, more than 130,000 patients in the U.S. were prescribed the drug. It is a human drug, no matter how many times the mad cows in the media try to fear-monger you into believing otherwise.

So, should ivermectin be pursued as a treatment or prophylaxis for COVID-19?

The COVID-19 control freaks don't even want you to ask the question out loud or debate it on the internet. But unlike farm animals, you can exercise your free will and search for the evidence yourselves:

A study in the peer-reviewed journal Antiviral Research reported that ivermectin inhibited the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in vitro and concluded that "ivermectin is worthy of further consideration as a possible SARS-CoV-2 antiviral."

An analysis published in the peer-reviewed International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents in November 2020 found that "countries with routine mass drug administration of prophylactic chemotherapy including ivermectin have a significantly lower incidence of COVID-19. ... Prophylactic use of ivermectin against parasitic infections is most common in Africa and we hence show that the reported correlation is highly significant both when compared among African nations as well as in a worldwide context. ... It is suggested that ivermectin be evaluated for potential off-label prophylactic use in certain cases to help bridge the time until a safe and effective vaccine becomes available."

A small, pilot, double-blind, placebo-controlled randomized clinical trial conducted in Spain and published in The Lancet in January didn't find statistically significant differences in COVID-19 viral loads but did find "a marked reduction of self-reported anosmia/hyposmia, a reduction of cough and a tendency to lower viral loads and lower (antibody) titers which warrants assessment in larger trials."

A systematic review of ivermectin's antiviral effects published in the peer-reviewed journal Nature found that it "could serve as a potential candidate in the treatment of a wide range of viruses including COVID-19 as well as other types of positive-sense single-stranded RNA viruses."

A study in the peer-reviewed journal Chest found statistically significant lower mortality rates among hospitalized COVID-19 patients prescribed ivermectin (along with hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin or both) compared with patients without ivermectin in Broward County, Florida.
You can find more related studies on ivermectin and COVID-19 in PubMed, the federal scientific database, and weigh all the costs and benefits for you and your families. Remember: "Misinformation" simply means information that the powers that be want you to miss.

COPYRIGHT 2020 CREATORS.COM
Michelle Malkin

I'm calling B.S. on it.

[Chris]

I'm calling B.S. on it.

I don't have the medical training to be able to judge the issue on my own, however, I do agree with the main conclusion of the article, that there is an organised campaign to discredit Ivermectin and label it a horse dewormer.

That is highly dishonest.

Yes, this anti-parasitic was originally used for veterinary medicine, but it has been approved for human use in the 1990s, has seen widespread use and is considered safe and effective as long as idiot humans don't take horse-sized doses of it.

I have no idea if it cures coronavirus, but there have been indications that it does. The Tokyo Medical Association recommends it as a treatment for covid and there have been other instances of its widespread efficacy.

To me, it seems the campaign against Ivermectin is twofold.

One motivation is political. Donald Trump touched it, so it has cooties. Really? Is that the level of discourse these days? If something had been endorsed by a right-wing person it cannot be effective or work? I just that find that approach incredibly childish.

The other Vector is financial and commercial. There is no money in Ivermectin. It is a generic drug, widely available and cheap. If it were to be widely applied in covid treatment and proven to be effective, there would be no need for vaccines, which in contrast are scarce, expensive and highly lucrative, long-term, because you need booster shots every few months.

If there ever was a conflict of interest as regards big pharma, here it is. They really, really, don't want this to work so they're throwing everything and the kitchen sink at it.

Calling Ivermectin a "Horse Dewormer" is like calling antibiotics a "Pig Disinfectant".

Anyone with half a brain should be able to see how childish this is. This is communist level irrational propaganda.

[modwiz]

I don't have the medical training to be able to judge the issue on my own, however, I do agree with the main conclusion of the article, that there is an organised campaign to discredit Ivermectin and label it a horse dewormer.

That is highly dishonest.

Yes, this anti-parasitic was originally used for veterinary medicine, but it has been approved for human use in the 1990s, has seen widespread use and is considered safe and effective as long as idiot humans don't take horse-sized doses of it.

I have no idea if it cures coronavirus, but there have been indications that it does. The Tokyo Medical Association recommends it as a treatment for covid and there have been other instances of its widespread efficacy.

To me, it seems the campaign against Ivermectin is twofold.

One motivation is political. Donald Trump touched it, so it has cooties. Really? Is that the level of discourse these days? If something had been endorsed by a right-wing person it cannot be effective or work? I just that find that approach incredibly childish.

The other Vector is financial and commercial. There is no money in Ivermectin. It is a generic drug, widely available and cheap. If it were to be widely applied in covid treatment and proven to be effective, there would be no need for vaccines, which in contrast are scarce, expensive and highly lucrative, long-term, because you need booster shots every few months.

If there ever was a conflict of interest as regards big pharma, here it is. They really, really, don't want this to work so they're throwing everything and the kitchen sink at it.

Calling Ivermectin a "Horse Dewormer" is like calling antibiotics a "Pig Disinfectant".

Anyone with half a brain should be able to see how childish this is. This is communist level irrational propaganda.

It's not just for animals.

Ivermectin is the main cure for "river blindness" (Onchocerciasis, or river blindness, is a neglected tropical disease (NTD) caused by the parasitic worm Onchocerca volvulus.)

From the CDC website:

People who are found to be infected with O. volvulus should be treated in order to prevent long-term skin damage and blindness. The recommended treatment is ivermectin, which will need to be given every 6 months for the life span of the adult worms (i.e., 10–15 years) or for as long as the infected person has evidence of skin or eye infection. Ivermectin kills the larvae and prevents them from causing damage but it does not kill the adults.

https://www.cdc.gov/parasites/onchoc...treatment.html

[Dreamtimer]

This is just sad. We can do so much better than this. When everything is politicized, people die. Including children. It's a tragedy in real time.

But several months into the Delta wave and the data are clear: over the past month, people living in the most staunchly Republican counties have been three times more likely to die of Covid than those living in Democratic strongholds. While the disease doesn’t make political distinctions, Republican attitudes, conspiracy theories, and policy failures have created conditions in which the Delta variant can thrive.



In counties where Donald Trump got fewer than 20 percent of 2020 presidential votes, for instance, there have been, on average, fewer than 5 Covid deaths for every 100,000 people since July 31, 2021 — roughly the start of the latest wave of death corresponding with the Delta variant. In places where he got 80 percent or more of the vote, on the other hand, the death rate is closer to 15 per 100,000. Across all counties there’s effectively a dose-response relationship between Republicanism and Covid mortality: as the share of Republican voters increases in your county, your likelihood of dying from the disease rises as well.

[Dreamtimer]

I'm wondering just how bad denial can actually get. More and more illness and death. Needless problems caused by sketchy fears and lots of propaganda.

Sturgis was where the big motorcycle rally was held, last year and again this year. And loads of folks are now sick, worse than last year.

Sturgis is at the big 'S' on the map.



Graphic from COVIDActNow.org for Meade County South Dakota.