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    Take care, Chris. Looks like many challenges lay ahead.

    I was just speaking with my mother in law. I told her that I was looking to get vaccinated but probably won't change my behavior a great deal. There are variants and more zoonotic organisms to come.

    Billions of people makes it easy for these diseases to spread and mutate.

    Humans didn't evolve to handle this kind of dynamic.

    And then there are the germs in the permafrost which are unfreezing. That should be loads of fun when they start spreading around.

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    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    Take care, Chris. Looks like many challenges lay ahead.

    I was just speaking with my mother in law. I told her that I was looking to get vaccinated but probably won't change my behavior a great deal. There are variants and more zoonotic organisms to come.

    Billions of people makes it easy for these diseases to spread and mutate.

    Humans didn't evolve to handle this kind of dynamic.

    And then there are the germs in the permafrost which are unfreezing. That should be loads of fun when they start spreading around.


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    I cannot say if the below data can be trusted, even here in Hungary there is some suspicion that this is politically motivated. But, for what it's worth Hungarian Health Authorities have conducted a survey on the efficacy and safety of all five currently available vaccines in Hungary, including Sputnik and Sinopharm. The results show that Sputnik V is by far the safest and most effective, with the others roughly on par withb each other. However, what the survey does not account for, is that most elderly and chronically ill people were given the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, which would naturally show much higher mortality rates than the others due to this demographic factor.

    BTW, I'm getting my first Sinopharm shot on Wednesday.

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    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    I cannot say if the below data can be trusted, even here in Hungary there is some suspicion that this is politically motivated. But, for what it's worth Hungarian Health Authorities have conducted a survey on the efficacy and safety of all five currently available vaccines in Hungary, including Sputnik and Sinopharm. The results show that Sputnik V is by far the safest and most effective, with the others roughly on par withb each other. However, what the survey does not account for, is that most elderly and chronically ill people were given the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, which would naturally show much higher mortality rates than the others due to this demographic factor.

    BTW, I'm getting my first Sinopharm shot on Wednesday.

    Stay Safe,

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    I'm sure you'll be good Chris, the interesting thing is that adverse reactions to the various vaccines are occurring in under 50 women. (In the vaccines commonly used in the U.S. Johnson & Johnson, Pfizer, and Moderna). Now the talk is that booster shots will be required.
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    Quote Originally posted by BeastOfBologna View Post
    I'm sure you'll be good Chris, the interesting thing is that adverse reactions to the various vaccines are occurring in under 50 women. (In the vaccines commonly used in the U.S. Johnson & Johnson, Pfizer, and Moderna). Now the talk is that booster shots will be required.
    Yes, word is, the Oxford / Astrazeneca vaccine in particular may be intefering with contraceptives in rare cases, which is what is causing the bloodclots. Still like a million in one chance of suffering adverse side-effects due to the vaccine, but not a negligible one. Probably safer to go gor one of the other vaccines for those that are on contraceptives.

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    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    Yes, word is, the Oxford / Astrazeneca vaccine in particular may be intefering with contraceptives in rare cases, which is what is causing the bloodclots. Still like a million in one chance of suffering adverse side-effects due to the vaccine, but not a negligible one. Probably safer to go gor one of the other vaccines for those that are on contraceptives.
    Yeah, statistics don't give me much comfort either.
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    The Covid situation in India is highly concerning.

    https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021...s-growing.html

    The COVID-19 Catastrophe in India Keeps Growing

    Yves here. Even from what Americans can infer at a remove and with our sanitized reporting, Covid is a national emergency in India with international implications. The scale of the contagion and the breakdown of hospitals means the human tragedy will continue. It won’t simply decimate families and villages but will also thin the ranks of medical professionals. And so many people afflicted with an out of control contagion also means the odds of producing even more troubling and potentially vaccine-escaping variants is not trivial.

    Remember that early on, India seemed to be doing something right, or perhaps simply benefitted from having a population where many people spent less time indoors than in advanced economies. But as case numbers grew, Modi imposed a lockdown which produced anticipatory mass migrations back to the countryside as low wage workers anticipated their incomes would dry up. As this article explains, Modi failed to take other basic measures to reduce transmission and death rates.

    What is particularly appalling is that the US, which appears to have a vaccine surplus, is nowhere to be seen. Even if our contribution would only make a dent in this catastrophe, any help is better than none.

    By Vijay Prashad, Indian historian, editor and journalist. He is a writing fellow and chief correspondent at Globetrotter. He is the chief editor of LeftWord Books and the director of Tricontinental: Institute for Social Research. He is a senior non-resident fellow at Chongyang Institute for Financial Studies, Renmin University of China. He has written more than 20 books, including The Darker Nationsand The Poorer Nations. His latest book is Washington Bullets, with an introduction by Evo Morales Ayma. Produced by Globetrotter

    For Ashish Yechury (1986-2021), journalist.


    It is difficult to overstate the grip of COVID-19 on India. WhatsApp bristles with messages about this or that friend and family member with the virus, while there are angry posts about how the central government has utterly failed its citizenry. This hospital is running out of beds and that hospital has no more oxygen, while there is evasion from Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his Cabinet.

    Thirteen months after the World Health Organization (WHO) announced that the world was in the midst of a pandemic, the Indian government looks into the headlights like a transfixed animal, unable to move. While other countries are well advanced on their vaccination programs, the Indian government sits back and watches a second wave or a third wave land heavily on the Indian people.

    On April 21, 2021, the country registered 315,000 cases in a 24-hour period. This is an extraordinarily high number. Bear in mind that in China, where the virus was first detected in late 2019, the total number of detected cases stands at less than 100,000. This spike has raised eyebrows: is this a new variant, or is this a result of failure to manage social interactions (including the 3 million pilgrims who gathered at this year’s Kumbh Mela) and to vaccinate enough people.

    At the core is the total failure of the Indian government, led by PM Modi, to take this pandemic seriously.

    Disregard

    A glance around the world shows those governments that disregarded the WHO warnings suffered the worst ravages of COVID-19. From January 2020, the WHO had asked governments to insist on basic hygiene rules—washing hands, physical distance, mask wearing—and then later had suggested testing for COVID-19, contact tracing and social isolation. The first set of recommendations do not require immense resources. Vietnam’s government, for instance, took those recommendations very seriously and slowed the spread of the disease immediately.

    India’s government moved slowly despite evidence of the dangerousness of the disease. By March 10, 2020, before the WHO declared a pandemic, the Indian government reported about 50 COVID-19 cases in India, with infections doubled in 14 days. The first major act from India’s prime minister was a 14-hour Janata Curfew, which was dramatic but not in line with the WHO recommendations. This ruthless lockdown, with four hours’ notice, sent hundreds of thousands of workers on the road to their homes, penniless, some dying by the wayside, many carrying the virus to their towns and villages. Prime Minister Modi executed this lockdown without checking with his own departments, whose advice might have warned him against such a precipitous and unnecessary act.

    Prime Minister Modi took the entire pandemic lightly. He urged people to light candles and bang pots, to make noise to scare away the virus. The lockdown kept being extended, but there was nothing systematic, no national policy that one can find anywhere on the government’s websites. In May and June of 2020, the lockdown kept getting extended, although this was meaningless to the millions of working-class Indians who had to go to work to survive on their daily wages. A year into the pandemic, there are now 16 million people in India with detected infections, with 185,000 people confirmed dead from the pandemic. One has to write words like “detected” and “confirmed” because mortality data from India during this pandemic has been totally unreliable.

    Consequences of Privatization

    The consequences of turning over health care to the private sector and underfunding public health have been diabolical. For years now, advocates of public health care, such as the Jan Swasthya Abhiyan, have called for more government spending on public health and less reliance upon profit-driven health care. These calls fell on deaf ears.

    India’s governments have spent very low amounts on health—3.5 percent of GDP in 2018, a figure that has remained the same for decades. India’s current health expenditure per capita, by purchasing power parity, was275.13 in 2018, around the figures of Kiribati, Myanmar and Sierra Leone. This is a very low number for a country with the kind of industrial capacity and wealth of India.

    In late 2020, the Indian government admitted that it has 0.8 medical doctors for every 1,000 Indians, and it has1.7 nurses for every 1,000 Indians. No country of India’s size and wealth has such a low medical staff. It gets worse. India has only 5.3 beds for every 10,000 people, while China—for example—has 43.1 beds for the same number. India has only 2.3 critical care beds for 100,000 people (compared to 3.6 in China) and it has only 48,000 ventilators (China had 70,000 ventilators in Wuhan alone).

    The weakness of medical infrastructure is wholly due to privatization, where private sector hospitals run their system on the principle of maximum capacity and have no ability to handle peak loads. The theory of optimization does not permit the system to tackle surges, since in normal times it would mean that the hospitals would have surplus capacity. No private sector is going to voluntarily develop any surplus beds or surplus ventilators. It is this that inevitably causes the crisis in a pandemic.

    Low health spending means low expenditure on medical infrastructure and low wages for medical workers. This is a poor way to run a modern society.

    Vaccines and Oxygen

    Shortages are a normal problem in any society. But the shortages of basic medical goods in India during the pandemic have been scandalous.

    India has long been known as the “pharmacy of the world,” since India’s pharmaceutical industry sector has been skillful at reverse-engineering a range of generic drugs. It is the third-largest pharmaceutical industry manufacturer. India accounts for 60 percent of global vaccine production, including 90 percent of the WHO use of measles vaccine, and India has become the largest producer of pills for the U.S. market. But none of this helped during the crisis.

    Vaccines for COVID-19 are not available for Indians at the pace necessary. Vaccinations for Indians will not be complete before November 2022. The government’s new policy will allow vaccine makers to hike up prices, but not produce fast enough to cover needs (India’s public sector vaccine factories are sitting idle). No large-scale rapid procurement is on the cards. Nor is there enough medical oxygen, and promises to build capacity have been unfulfilled by the ruling party. India’s government has been exporting oxygen, even when it became clearthat domestic reserves were depleted (it has also exported precious Remdesivir injections).

    On March 25, 2020, Modi said that he would win this Mahabharat—this epic battle—against COVID-19 in 18 days. Now, more than 56 weeks after that promise, India looks more like the blood-soaked fields of Kurukshetra, where thousands lay dead, with the war not even at halftime.

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    Good luck, Chris. I hope it goes well and you don't feel too bad afterwards.

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    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    Good luck, Chris. I hope it goes well and you don't feel too bad afterwards.
    Thanks. It can't possibly be worse than how I'm feeling right now.

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    What might you say about this? Small Number of Covid Patients Develop Severe Psychotic Symptoms

    Meanwhile in 'Murica.


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    Yeah. Tucker apparently thinks it's fine to burden the police with such calls while the cities are 'burning with crime', and OK to suddenly rely on the socialist government to come and seize the kids to put more of them on the dole.

    What a fine vision.

    Of course, appearances are deceiving. He's looking for ratings and the commensurate bucks.

    Money, money, money.

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    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    Yeah. Tucker apparently thinks it's fine to burden the police with such calls while the cities are 'burning with crime', and OK to suddenly rely on the socialist government to come and seize the kids to put more of them on the dole.

    What a fine vision.

    Of course, appearances are deceiving. He's looking for ratings and the commensurate bucks.

    Money, money, money.
    My opinion is that he is much beneath that, remember that he inherited a fortune ... he's just ugly on the inside and stupid on the outside.
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    Got my Sinopharm shot today. Second shot will be in 4 weeks.

    Not feeling too bad, but it packs quite a kick, like the non-pleasant part of having a few drinks.

    The Psychotic side-effects of long covid are quite interesting, wasn't aware of it. It would explain my ex-GF's recent behaviour though.



    Even her best friend and her current boyfriend want her out of their lives. I ran into her boyfriend the other day. He was like, do you want her back? I can't deal with this b any more. I was like, no way Jose, you bought it you keep it. He told me, he wants to break up with her (they moved in together last week). I said I'm not surprised...

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    Quote Originally posted by BeastOfBologna View Post
    My opinion is that he is much beneath that, remember that he inherited a fortune ... he's just ugly on the inside and stupid on the outside.
    Ratings for Tucker are an ego thing, and he has lots of power wielding his lies and fear mongering.

    The money is so he keeps his slot. He needs the ratings so the network makes money off the fear mongering.

    And this is not really in dispute with what you said.

    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    Got my Sinopharm shot today. Second shot will be in 4 weeks.

    Not feeling too bad, but it packs quite a kick, like the non-pleasant part of having a few drinks.

    The Psychotic side-effects of long covid are quite interesting, wasn't aware of it. It would explain my ex-GF's recent behaviour though.



    Even her best friend and her current boyfriend want her out of their lives. I ran into her boyfriend the other day. He was like, do you want her back? I can't deal with this b any more. I was like, no way Jose, you bought it you keep it. He told me, he wants to break up with her (they moved in together last week). I said I'm not surprised...
    Well Chris, I hope no mental issues occur with you. (no reason they should)

    I have a friend who had covid. He didn't have any mental effects but he is still dealing with fatigue.

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    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    Got my Sinopharm shot today. Second shot will be in 4 weeks.

    Not feeling too bad, but it packs quite a kick, like the non-pleasant part of having a few drinks.

    The Psychotic side-effects of long covid are quite interesting, wasn't aware of it. It would explain my ex-GF's recent behaviour though.



    Even her best friend and her current boyfriend want her out of their lives. I ran into her boyfriend the other day. He was like, do you want her back? I can't deal with this b any more. I was like, no way Jose, you bought it you keep it. He told me, he wants to break up with her (they moved in together last week). I said I'm not surprised...
    There is a real pattern there, Personality Disorder 101 ... Case example: My ex!
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