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Thread: Coronavirus with an R0 of 3 or beyond

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    Quote Originally posted by Wind View Post
    DT, funny you should write about that as I was thinking about this exact topic yesterday and before it too. Yet didn't write here as I didn't want to be sounding "alarmist". However when this virus commotion started, I saw a dream about one of the riders. The good thing is that I see premonitions extremely rarely, but when I do they are accurate. Not saying that my dream this time was one, but the timing was kinda spooky.
    This should put your mind at ease...

    A genuine photo of the convoy taking the first batch of UK coronavirus evacuees from Heathrow to the Quarantine site.

    From wikipedia:

    Pale Horse

    The fourth Horseman, Death on the Pale Horse.
    Engraving by Gustave Doré (1865).

    When the Lamb broke the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, "Come." I looked, and behold, an ashen horse; and he who sat on it had the name Death; and Hades was following with him. Authority was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by the wild beasts of the earth.

    — Revelation 6:7–8 NASB
    The fourth and final Horseman is named Death. Known as "Θάνατος/Thanatos", of all the riders, he is the only one to whom the text itself explicitly gives a name. Unlike the other three, he is not described carrying a weapon or other object, instead he is followed by Hades (the resting place of the dead). However, illustrations commonly depict him carrying a scythe (like the Grim Reaper), sword,[30] or other implement.

    The color of Death's horse is written as khlōros (χλωρός) in the original Koine Greek,[31] which can mean either green/greenish-yellow or pale/pallid.[32] The color is often translated as "pale", though "ashen", "pale green", and "yellowish green"[24] are other possible interpretations (the Greek word is the root of "chlorophyll" and "chlorine"). Based on uses of the word in ancient Greek medical literature, several scholars suggest that the color reflects the sickly pallor of a corpse.[3][33] In some modern artistic depictions, the horse is distinctly green.[34][35][36]

    The Greek word for plague is θανάτῳ, which is a variation of Θάνατος, indicating a connection between the Fourth Horseman and plague.[37]

    The verse beginning "they were given power over a fourth of the earth" is generally taken as referring to Death and Hades,[24][38] although some commentators see it as applying to all four horsemen.[1]
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    Now that i'm focused on it: A quick search of articles provided me this insight.

    The purportedly infected patients on the cruise ship quarantined off Japan have been transported to Omaha Nebraska. My biological families' homeland in America. Their medical facility is ranked at 65th in the United States for research efforts and 8th as a facility for primary care. The one redeeming quality of Omaha Nebraska is that it has a 1.2% Asian demographic. I couldn't tell if any of the patients actually hail from that part of the country (that's how we talk in the boondocks) I dunno, you figure it out from here.

    On another note, the patients are either not eliciting any symptoms and the one or two that might be are recovering nicely.
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    A quick update on the Coronavirus situation, without any supporting links this time.

    It is easy to get caught up in the hysteria surrounding the Coronavirus outbreak and at times I have also been caught up in it. However, it pays to calm down a bit, take a few days off the Media hoopla and non-stop flow of negative news to look at the bigger picture.

    At the moment, it would seem that China's drastic quarantine measures (up to 760 millions people under some form of Quarantine, to varying degrees) are paying off and new infections and deaths within China are tapering off. This may be a false dawn, as factories slowly restart and hundreds of millions of migrant workers from the poorer provinces return to work to the rich coastal cities, but at least we know that traditional quarantine measures can work reasonably well. The real worry is localised community outbreaks in other Asian countries, notably the two Koreas, Japan, Thailand, Singapore and Vietnam.

    I maintain that this coronavirus seems to be mostly an Asian (East and Southeast) problem, because of the race specificity of both SARS and SARS coronavirus 2, which is the official name of this current strain. At the moment we can only guess why that is. I won't go into it now, though the science behind it, in terms of ACE 2 inhibitors that are 5 times more likely to be present in East Asian populations than Caucasians is pretty well understood and was also a notable feature of the original SARS-virus.

    Clearly, the humanitarian and economic impact will be global, which I expect will pass in a few months' time, however not without severe disruption to the world economy. China will probably look a lot less attractive as an investment destination going forward and there will be many bankruptcies. An implosion of the entire financial, commercial and political system of China is not out of the question and may I say, if this Sars CoV-2 outbreak ends up being the death of the Chinese Communist Party, it will end up being a huge silver lining. A free China, organised along the lines of the Republic of China (Taiwan) would be an absolute blessing to the world. It is time that we put all of the failed ideologies of the 20th century behind us (Fascism, Communism, Socialism, National Socialism, etc...) and move on to something better.

    SARS CoV-2 is still a huge threat to humanity and Asia in particular, certainly we should not be complacent and we can expect it to become endemic in the Human population. Outbreaks will happen regularly from now on and they will always be disruptive and deadly, but there's no reason why we shouldn't be able to deal with these situations as they come. The true origins of the virus will perhaps never be revealed, but wherever it came from or however it came about, it is here now and we have to accept it as part of the natural world and deal with it on those terms. After all, it is very likely, that our own species came to inhabit this planet and spread over it very much like a virus, through a similar and significantly more sophisticated act of genetic manipulation.

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