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    Ain't that the truth O.G. A historical tracing of high corporate tax for example has 'intangible' benefits to the economy that cannot be explained in a dollar to dollar measure. I say it's because if corporations feel their 2nd Yacht is in jeopardy, they are motivated to move the economy.
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    That's a relief Chris!

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    Quote Originally posted by Octopus Garden View Post
    I think so. Not sure.



    So happy for you, Chris. And lovely to hear about your hospital system. Just watched Bill Maher discussing medicare for all and dismissing it because it would require too many cuts to other agencies, then he named a few agencies. But not once did he or any of his panel members mention cutting the military budget or raising taxes. Federal taxes in the U.S are crazy low. So the whole talk was, "well yeah, 70% of Americans want it, but it's just not possible." Seriously. If Hungary can do it, the U.S certainly can.
    Thanks, Universal Health Care is an interesting discussion in itself. I think the relevant comparison, is more between your country, Canada and the USA, because they are so similar in many ways, but fundamentally differ in this area.

    From my perspective, universal health care would be very difficult to introduce in the US, because it isn't really one country and one nation at all, there are just too many disparate and competing groups within the Union that don't see eye to eye and have no solidarity with each other whatsoever.

    Politically speaking, Universal Health Care could probably be done on the state level, but then how do you exclude those that are out of state? Any change in the current Health Care system would require a fundamental rethink and change in approach in everything that is generally anathema to the individualistic American mind. These would include:

    - Compulsory National ID and healthcare card for everyone
    - An end to for-profit healthcare and education
    - Legislation that penalises price gouging, etc...

    So, the change would have to be massive, it would involve shutting out entire industries from Healthcare, such as private insurance giants and other price-gouging middlemen, including most Hospital administrators. I am personally pessimistic, whether this is even possible within the current system. I suspect the entire edifice will have to collapse and rebuilt on a smaller scale to achieve anything like fair prices within the system. As you know, a medical procedure, drug, hospital stay, etc... can easily cost 10-100 times as much as the very same thing in comparable countries. This is all a terrible waste of resources and a racket that makes many people (including doctors) very rich at the expense of society as a whole.

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    Most people are good and/or kind. If they weren't societies would fall apart quite quickly.

    I wish we (humanity) could find the key to dealing with the sociopaths. They need an outlet which won't be harmful to the rest of society.

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    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    Most people are good and/or kind. If they weren't societies would fall apart quite quickly.

    I wish we (humanity) could find the key to dealing with the sociopaths. They need an outlet which won't be harmful to the rest of society.
    George Carlin had some excellent suggestions

    It was along the lines of fencing off one of the square states, like kansas, providing them with weapons and putting the whole show on pay per view!

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    A suggestion?


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    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    George Carlin had some excellent suggestions

    It was along the lines of fencing off one of the square states, like kansas, providing them with weapons and putting the whole show on pay per view!
    I object to that I got family in Kansas...Might I suggest Montana even Florida, they could do an outdoor reality show what with the perennial pleasant weather. "Dueling Conspiracy Spinners on the hunt"
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    Statewide cage fight!

    It would be nice to be able to remove or cure them rather than fence them off.

    A sociopath is destructive to human tribes. Many tribes would, in fact, kill them for the good of the tribe. We need a solution that doesn't involve execution.

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    EXCELLENT DT, wow you knocked that one out of the park!
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    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    A sociopath is destructive to human tribes. Many tribes would, in fact, kill them for the good of the tribe. We need a solution that doesn't involve execution.
    Elon Musk. Big rockets. Scientific expedition to Mars. It would be educational for the sociopaths, and they'd finally be making themselves useful to humanity.

    Of course, the lessons of history should be heeded. In the end, the British once had a similar idea. Round up all the sociopaths, put them on a boat and send it into the South Pacific. And look what it generated: Australians!
    = DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR =

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    Let's not turn Mars into a place to discard people. That's some dark sci fi in the making.

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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Elon Musk. Big rockets. Scientific expedition to Mars. It would be educational for the sociopaths, and they'd finally be making themselves useful to humanity.

    Of course, the lessons of history should be heeded. In the end, the British once had a similar idea. Round up all the sociopaths, put them on a boat and send it into the South Pacific. And look what it generated: Australians!
    Ahhhaaaaahaaaaa ...
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    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    Let's not turn Mars into a place to discard people. That's some dark sci fi in the making.
    But... Men are from Mars.

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    lol ... so are 'Hungarians/Martians'
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    Quote Originally posted by Wind View Post
    But... Men are from Mars.
    And women are from Venus. And politicians are from Uranus.
    = DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR =

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