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    Tucker Carlson leverages yet another document dump to accuse Fauci of criminality


    By Philip Bump National correspondent June 3, 2021 at 9:53 a.m. CDT

    Tucker Carlson’s show on Fox News Channel has by now settled into a familiar style, offering wild speculation and political attacks with a veneer of studious certainty. Carlson’s Harvard-senior aesthetic and well-honed oratory precision give the sense that he’s at long last presenting the results of his semester thesis when, in fact, he’s often just stapling together various angry tweets.

    On Wednesday night, Carlson again turned his attention to Anthony S. Fauci, the federal government’s leading expert on infectious diseases and a frequent target of conservative anger during the coronavirus pandemic. Fauci was perhaps the only member of President Donald Trump’s administration to repeatedly and publicly contradict Trump’s eternally rosy assessments of the pandemic and, because of that, he became a face of some sort of “deep state” opposition to the political right. As early as last summer, Trump’s allies were disparaging Fauci for things such as revising his position on mask-wearing as more information about the virus emerged. Such shifts were cherry-picked to present Fauci as standing in opposition to the American people and, with Republicans, such arguments worked.

    More recently, Fauci has been targeted for having repeatedly urged caution on the idea that the virus emerged after escaping from a virology lab in China. The “lab leak” theory has become a focus of conversation of late, in part because of a report from the Wall Street Journal elevating claims that researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology had been hospitalized well before the virus is known to have emerged. Fauci has also been fending off claims that he and the U.S. government helped fund research at that lab centered on “gain of function” — in short, changing viruses to make them do different things. The Washington Post’s fact-checking team has evaluated those claims in the context of repeated attacks on Fauci by Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.); as with so much else centered on the virus, the verdict is murky.

    The occasion for Carlson’s focus Wednesday was the release of a batch of emails sent to or by Fauci last year that were obtained by The Washington Post and BuzzFeed and published in their entirety by BuzzFeed. The emails extend over 3,200 printed pages, many of them duplicative. But for those looking to pick out points of suspicion, the terrain was fertile.

    That was Carlson’s aim.

    In a seven-minute riff at the top of his show, Carlson used a handful of heavily redacted emails to argue that Fauci lied under oath, lied to the public and deserves criminal prosecution. As is so often the case, Carlson’s claims went miles past the evidence, a problem that seems to have given him little pause.

    For example, Carlson looked at a pair of emails sent late on the evening of Jan. 31, 2020. This was days after the virus was confirmed to have been in the United States and very early in scientific analysis of the virus. Carlson, who uses “covid” as a shorthand for the virus, describes the exchange:

    The first email came from an immunologist called Kristian Andersen, who works at the Scripps Research Institute in La Jolla, California. Andersen warned Fauci that covid appeared to have been possibly manipulated in a laboratory. Quote: “The unusual features of the virus make up a really small part of the genome, less than 0.1 percent, so one has to look really closely at all the sequences to see that some of the features (potentially) look engineered.” The next day on February 1st, Tony Fauci wrote back: “Thanks, Christian. Talk soon on the call.”

    Fauci then sent an urgent email to his deputy, a man called Hugh Auchincloss. The subject of that email in all caps was, “IMPORTANT.” Quote: “Hugh, it is essential that we speak this a.m. Keep your cell phone on. ... Read this paper as well as the email that I will forward. You will have tasks today that must be done.” Attached to that email was a document. It was entitled, quote: “Baric, Shi, et al - Nature medicine - SARS gain of function.pdf.” Now the Baric in the attachment refers to Ralph Baric, a virologist based in the U.S. who collaborated with the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Baric worked with a woman called Shi Zhengli, known as the Bat Lady, because she manipulates coronaviruses that infect bats. She was the “Shi” in the attachment. Now, keep in mind that during the questioning from Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky fairly recently, Tony Fauci denied that this same Ralph Baric had conducted gain of function research. Again, this is the Ralph Baric in Fauci’s attachment, which was entitled, “Baric, Shi, et al - Nature medicine - SARS gain of function.pdf.”

    And yet under oath before the United States Congress, Fauci denied this.


    The clear implication for viewers is that Fauci received a heads-up on the virus being artificially engineered, panicked and put his deputy on alert.

    The reality is more nuanced. Andersen was responding to Fauci’s having sent him an article from Science magazine looking at the investigation of the virus’s origins. The point of Andersen’s email is that, although he and his team find “the genome inconsistent with expectations from evolutionary theory,” they need to look more closely and “there are still further analyses to be done, so those opinions could still change.” In other words, in late January, a month after the virus’s emergence was first reported, this researcher found something curious that he wanted to investigate further. As Andersen notes to Fauci, he was quoted in the same article, making that point.

    Fauci’s exchange with Andersen occurred late in the evening on Jan. 31. His email to Auchincloss came the following morning, hours later. It’s not obviously connected to the communication with Andersen in any way except that Fauci sent Auchincloss the same article he’d sent Andersen. He also sent that article to various other people, including a National Institutes of Health official named John Mascola. (Incidentally, Carlson’s summary of the email to Auchincloss skips over the part where Fauci says he has a meeting that morning with Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar, which certainly might inspire a need to have his deputy available.)

    The other document sent to Auchincloss was that PDF, the title of which included the trigger phrase “gain of function.” What did the article say? It’s not clear. There was, however, a research paper from Ralph S. Baric and Zhengli-Li Shi and others (et al) published in Nature Medicine in 2015. That document became the focal point of conspiracy theories about the virus being engineered, to the point that the journal added a note at the top: “We are aware that this article is being used as the basis for unverified theories that the novel coronavirus causing COVID-19 was engineered. There is no evidence that this is true; scientists believe that an animal is the most likely source of the coronavirus.”

    This is why Carlson accuses Fauci of lying, though. Answering a question from Paul last month, Fauci denied that Baric was engaged in gain-of-function research. That filename, Carlson argues, is all the evidence needed to prove that the government scientist was being intentionally dishonest. That, of course, is an enormous stretch.

    It’s very possible, if not likely, that during the conference call on Feb. 1 to which Fauci replied in his response to Andersen, the assembled scientists explored various possibilities for the emergence of the virus. But it’s simply impossible to tell from the evidence what the discussion was.

    That call was organized by Jeremy Farrar, chairman of a nonprofit organization called Wellcome Trust. Carlson notes that, after the call, Farrar asked participants not to share the call’s subject “until agreement on next steps” — a request that Carlson frames as his declaring the call “top secret.” It’s not clear from his segment that Carlson recognized that this call was the same one to which Fauci was referring in the email; it may simply be that Carlson wanted to elevate the idea that something nefarious was happening after Farrar requested that the discussion not be shared.

    After all, Carlson also wanted to talk about Farrar for another reason.

    Carlson: Jeremy Farrar passed along an article from the website Zerohedge. That piece suggested the coronavirus might have been created as a bioweapon. We now know that is a more plausible explanation than the one we believed at first and were told by the media, which is that corona came from a pangolin. And yet for the crime of saying that out loud — a more plausible explanation — Zerohedge was banned from social media platforms. Until recently, you were not allowed to suggest that covid might be man-made. Why couldn’t you suggest that The fact-checkers wouldn’t allow it. Why wouldn’t they? Because Tony Fauci assured the tech monopolies that the coronavirus could not have been man-made. And so the tech monopolies shut down the topic. Watch Fauci lie. Fauci, on video: “A group of highly qualified evolutionary virologists looked at the sequences there, the sequences in bats as they evolve. And the mutations that it took to get to the point where it is now is totally consistent with a jump of a species from an animal to a human.” Carlson: That was April 17, 2020, very shortly into the course of this pandemic. At that point what Tony Fauci just asserted as known could not conclusively have been known. That was a lie.

    Farrar did pass along the Zerohedge article. In the context of the email, it’s obvious why: to eye-roll about its claims.

    More important here is how Carlson engages in a now-common tactic: extrapolating from increased attention being paid to the idea that the virus might have escaped from a lab to assuming that the attention increases the likelihood that it did. Carlson goes further still, to argue that, somehow, the idea that the virus was deliberately engineered is more likely than that it had a zoonotic origin; that is, that it was transferred from an animal to a human.

    That’s absolutely not the case. Many, if not most, scientists still think that zoonotic origin is more likely, given the history of viruses making that jump. (This Twitter thread explains the case neatly.) Could it have escaped from a lab? Yes. Is that proven? By no means.

    Fauci’s very tempered statement — virologists think that the virus is consistent with zoonotic origin — is not in any way a lie. It’s not even facially incorrect. And it relates to the conclusion of Carlson’s monologue.

    Two days after he said that, one of the virologists that Tony Fauci had funded to conduct dangerous coronavirus experiments in Wuhan wrote to thank him for the help. That man, a man called Peter Daszak, complained to Fauci that the American tax dollars he'd taken for these experiments were being, quote, “publicly targeted by Fox News reporters.” Yet Daszak remained grateful for Tony Fauci's support. Quote: “I just wanted to say a personal thank you on behalf of our staff and collaborators,” end quote. Now, strangely, most of this specific email from Daszak to Fauci has been redacted and it was redacted under Section (b)(7)(a). That specific exemption to the FOIA law applies to, quote, “records or information compiled for law enforcement purposes, but only to the extent that production of those documents could reasonably be expected to interfere with enforcement proceedings.” Are Peter Daszak and Tony Fauci under criminal investigation? We can only hope they are. They certainly deserve it. At this point we can’t say for sure.

    Daszak is the president of EcoHealth Alliance, the group that received funding from the National Institutes of Health to research viruses and that helped fund the lab in Wuhan, China. His organization is at the center of the thin case Carlson and Paul have been elevating about NIH culpability for the virus.

    His email of thanks is related to that news conference on April 17, 2020. There, a reporter asked Trump about the NIH-to-Wuhan-lab thread. Trump used the question to attack Barack Obama.

    Later, a reporter asked about the lab-leak theory, with Trump disparaging the idea that the virus might have originated in a bat.

    “A lot of strange things are happening, but there is a lot of investigation going on and we’re going to find out,” he said.

    The quote from Fauci that Carlson aired was his response to subsequently being asked the same question. The research to which he was referring appears to have been published by Nature Medicine in mid-March. It argued that the evidence suggested a zoonotic origin for the virus.

    The lead researcher on that study? Kristian Andersen. A month and a half after that email to Fauci, his work argued that natural emergence was the most likely genesis of the virus.

    It’s not clear why the section of the email from Daszak to Fauci was redacted under section (b)(7)(a). But that’s the point: Speculating that Daszak and Fauci are under investigation on the basis of that detail is completely irresponsible — more irresponsible than the various unfounded assumptions Carlson makes.

    Again: The possibility exists that the virus escaped from the Wuhan lab. It is even possible that officials believed in early February that the virus was engineered and tried not to have that revealed. But that’s not the assumption made by most of the scientists who’ve studied this and it’s certainly not the case that a few email attachment filenames prove that this happened.

    We’ve seen this pattern over and over in recent years: Big caches of documents are released and motivated parties cherry-pick questionable elements and present them as somehow definitive. We saw it with the release of Hillary Clinton’s emails in 2015 and 2016. We saw it with the material stolen by Russian hackers in 2016 and released by WikiLeaks. We saw it with the text messages between two FBI officials released in 2017.

    That’s perhaps the best example, in fact. One of those messages, from former FBI agent Peter Strzok, mentioned an “insurance policy” — a phrase that has been used countless times to suggest an effort to blackmail Trump, although the actual reason for its use was entirely different. But it was lifted out of the pile, framed in a particular way and it stuck, despite a more obviously accurate alternative later emerging.

    That’s the risk with Carlson’s attacks on Fauci. It’s not just that Carlson is leapfrogging over the evidence. It’s that he’s helping to establish a framing of this material that is far more compelling than it is well founded. Carlson’s presentation of Fauci as a liar and a criminal is planted in thin soil, but it will have an entire community working to nurture it. That’s the recent pattern, too: using isolated, decontextualized bits of material to support other such material, building out an accusatory house of cards.

    Last year, Fox News attorneys deflected slander allegations against Carlson by arguing that his show was obviously an exercise in “ 'exaggeration’ and ‘nonliteral commentary’ ” that viewers should understand is often not “stating actual facts.” They don’t.

    And for what it’s worth, Carlson may not know that either.

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    I don't care about somebody's politics as long as the information they present is accurate, which in this case, it appears to be as evidenced from multiple other sources.

    If you are referring to Rand Paul grilling Fauci on whether it makes sense to wear masks once you have antibodies against the disease, I believe he is correct in stating that it is largely cosmetic or psychological, there would be very little point in people wearing them, once they developed immunity, either through vaccination or by recovering from the disease.
    That does make me wonder if it has been scientifically documented that one can't be a carrier if personally immune?
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    Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

    https://www.cdc.gov/

    Table 1b. Effectiveness of COVID-19 Vaccination Against Asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 Infection

    Country Population Vaccine Outcome Vaccine Effectiveness
    United States General Adult Population Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna Asymptomatic infection 90%
    United States Healthcare workers Pfizer-BioNTech Asymptomatic infection 90%
    Israel General adult population Pfizer-BioNTech Asymptomatic infection 92%
    Israel HealthCare workers Pfizer-BioNTech or AstraZeneca Asymptomatic infection 86%
    Israel HealthCare workers Pfizer-BioNTech Asymptomatic infection 65%
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    Fauci is one man. Fauci worked for Trump who muzzled him on many things. Fauci is not responsible for the virus or the response. That would be the President, Trump before, Biden now.

    Folks who were denying the pandemic and calling Covid a hoax are now suddenly all upset at Fauci for not looking harder at lab origins?

    Can someone get me a bucket please? This foolishness is making me ill.

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    Ok guys, I'm only going to say this once.

    I don't give a flying fuck about US politics and which side of the imaginary political divide one person is (or not).

    This is your preoccupation, in your country, me personally, I'm beyond caring.

    All I care about are the facts and getting to the bottom of the truth.

    If it is the Qanon shaman, personally giving a blowjob to Donald J Trump, who gets to the bottom of what the hell is going on with the origins of the pandemic, then I will hear it from him. I do not care about someone's political leanings, as long as they give me good information. If it seems that this time it was the right in the US that drove the "conspiracy theory" about the true origins of the pandemic, then they are the ones I'm going to listen to, on this particular issue. I'm sure not going to listen to them on how to tackle racism in the inner cities or get more free meals to kids.

    You should be able to separate your political preferences from a pursuit of the truth. If you are dismissing something that has a very real chance of being true, just because it comes from someone you disagree with politically, you are doing yourself a huge disservice. In fact, we would be much further along in the investigation if it wasn't for the lab leak theory being linked to being a Trump supporter and a racist. Surely, we can move beyond that and just look at an issue without bringing politics into it.

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    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    Ok guys, I'm only going to say this once.

    I don't give a flying fuck about US politics and which side of the imaginary political divide one person is (or not).

    This is your preoccupation, in your country, me personally, I'm beyond caring.

    All I care about are the facts and getting to the bottom of the truth.

    If it is the Qanon shaman, personally giving a blowjob to Donald J Trump, who gets to the bottom of what the hell is going on with the origins of the pandemic, then I will hear it from him. I do not care about someone's political leanings, as long as they give me good information. If it seems that this time it was the right in the US that drove the "conspiracy theory" about the true origins of the pandemic, then they are the ones I'm going to listen to, on this particular issue. I'm sure not going to listen to them on how to tackle racism in the inner cities or get more free meals to kids.

    You should be able to separate your political preferences from a pursuit of the truth. If you are dismissing something that has a very real chance of being true, just because it comes from someone you disagree with politically, you are doing yourself a huge disservice. In fact, we would be much further along in the investigation if it wasn't for the lab leak theory being linked to being a Trump supporter and a racist. Surely, we can move beyond that and just look at an issue without bringing politics into it.
    that's funny Chris and I hear you ... but the critical point is still the critical point and you alluded to it... Accuracy!
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    Quote Originally posted by BeastOfBologna View Post
    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    Ok guys, I'm only going to say this once.

    I don't give a flying fuck about US politics and which side of the imaginary political divide one person is (or not).

    This is your preoccupation, in your country, me personally, I'm beyond caring.

    All I care about are the facts and getting to the bottom of the truth.

    If it is the Qanon shaman, personally giving a blowjob to Donald J Trump, who gets to the bottom of what the hell is going on with the origins of the pandemic, then I will hear it from him. I do not care about someone's political leanings, as long as they give me good information. If it seems that this time it was the right in the US that drove the "conspiracy theory" about the true origins of the pandemic, then they are the ones I'm going to listen to, on this particular issue. I'm sure not going to listen to them on how to tackle racism in the inner cities or get more free meals to kids.

    You should be able to separate your political preferences from a pursuit of the truth. If you are dismissing something that has a very real chance of being true, just because it comes from someone you disagree with politically, you are doing yourself a huge disservice. In fact, we would be much further along in the investigation if it wasn't for the lab leak theory being linked to being a Trump supporter and a racist. Surely, we can move beyond that and just look at an issue without bringing politics into it.
    that's funny Chris and I hear you ... but the critical point is still the critical point and you alluded to it... Accuracy!
    I've just read through a summary of the witch hunt against Fauci and the truth of the whole thing as directly gleaned from the emails. The only mistake Fauci made was when he said that it wasn't necessary to wear a mask when traveling to low-risk areas ─ an opinion he vocalized before the pandemic was officially acknowledged, and which he retracted again later. Everything else that is currently being used against him is deliberate misinformation and willful or unwillful misrepresentation of the facts, including a mix-up of identities regarding who did or said what.

    It is yet another internal political game from the US far-right, and that includes the claim that Fauci either knew or was involved with a gain-of-function on coronaviruses at the Wuhan lab. Fauci has stated that he was open to the possibility that the virus had escaped from a lab, but that so far, all evidence suggests that the virus naturally mutated into a variant that could infect humans. Fauci has also received an email from an individual with regard to a proposal for gain-of-function research, but he never replied to the person who sent it to him.

    Again, everything else is fabrication, whether willful or unwillful.
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    For the record, I haven't dismissed the lab possibility.

    I spoke of Fauci to express that he's not the be all, end all.

    I don't care about the politics of the origin of Covid-19.

    I do care about dangerous denial which can cause people to die. (like the denial of the reality of the pandemic, which is ongoing here)

    I do care about red-herrings, i.e. chasing after Fauci instead of information about the virus.

    So I welcome information about it's origins, regardless of the politics.

    I don't welcome politicizing that information which leads to bad outcomes. (I'm thinking of dog-whistle names like 'China virus', which only anger people and distract from finding origins)

    Let us not forget that it was the right in America, with Donald Trump as their leader, which denied both the pandemic and the use of mask wearing and are now resisting the vaccines.

    I'd advise following their leads with huge grains of salt. Blocks, even.

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    They want to blame China because...then we did nothing wrong and don't have to change and have a nice scapegoat.

    But if we want to avoid another event like this one, "We need to increase the resiliency of our medical infrastructure."


    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzM4VKoOuPE


    It's just a thought...

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    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    They want to blame China because...then we did nothing wrong and don't have to change and have a nice scapegoat.
    Absolutely. That was the game of the Trump administration all along. And of course, the Democrats are too conservative to ever want to really change anything, so the narrative that China is to blame suits the Biden administration just the same. After all, "the Chinese are stealing American jobs", remember?
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Absolutely. That was the game of the Trump administration all along. And of course, the Democrats are too conservative to ever want to really change anything, so the narrative that China is to blame suits the Biden administration just the same. After all, "the Chinese are stealing American jobs", remember?
    that's a laughable truth ... the same recipe for inevitable failure. I think his name is Joe Manchin ... Democratic Senator from West Virginia, a hopelessly stupid or psychopathic state (conservative) that is the sole roadblock right now to true change. ohhh, it's the old Hegelian Dialectic trick as Maxwell Smart would say. What is the solution to that? Conservatives are self-deluded regarding 'money and materialism'. It is a deeply embedded characteristic that they simply can't overcome. It's pointless and hopeless as they are blind to anything on the other side of the prison walls they have constructed for themselves. You see it in any Southern conservative state (most are). They haven't integrated the notion that slavery wasn't the reason their economies persisted, or maybe it was. Texas, for example, touts itself on its vibrant economies but the dirty little secret that no one wants to talk about is that those economies are built on a two-tier system, the haves and the have-nots ... Florida the same. The underclass bolsters the upper-class economies by enduring treatment befitting a slave. Perhaps, even as they have stated, slavery was better. (for the house n***ers). So therein lies the fatal double-bind that projects so strongly from 'those people'. We want cheap labor and we don't want cheap laborers. There isn't much room to groove in that scenario.
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    There are so many unknowns in this equation.

    The big question to me, is why Fauci and co. decided to outsource gain of function research to China and encouraged her protege, the "Batlady" to collect samples of highly dangerous bat coronaviruses and work on making them highly infectious to humans (the notorious HIV spike protein we keep hearing about).

    The official line of course, is that such research is only ever done as preparation for a potential pandemic, if a virus were to mutate and become infectious to humans, they would have a vaccine or treatment ready, just in case.

    Or, they are working on Bioweapons.

    But, they wouldn't, because, as we know, only Russia would ever do such a thing, US scientists, and their Chinese proteges are squeaky clean. Well, I'll leave it to you, whether you buy that line, but I don't.

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    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    The big question to me, is why Fauci and co. decided to outsource gain of function research to China and encouraged her protege, the "Batlady" to collect samples of highly dangerous bat coronaviruses and work on making them highly infectious to humans (the notorious HIV spike protein we keep hearing about).
    Fauci did no such thing. That claim is partly based upon misinterpretation ─ people only seeing what they're willing to see ─ among the alt-right echo chambers on the one hand, and upon willful lies and spin by that same alt-right on the other hand. If you can even still call it the alt-right, because in the USA, that ideology has now become the mainstream right-wing.

    The documents have all been made public, so the truth is visible to everyone willing to see it for what it is, but even though I detest both parties in the American bipartisan hegemony, only the Republican Party and its shills among the mainstream media ─ read: Fox News, et al ─ have time and again made unscrupulous use of bold-faced lies and spin to serve their cause. That was already the case before Donald Trump and Qanon showed up on the scene, but it has become amplified to a tenfold ever since.

    Nowadays they're not just lying through their teeth anymore, but they're also foaming at the mouth while doing it. Don't forget that only ten Republicans were willing to condone the impeachment of Donald Trump ─ on both occasions ─ and that the rest of the party refuses to even consent to a proper investigation of the attempted coup at the Capitol that cost five human lives.
    = DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR =

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    The research being done in China makes sense because that's where the bats, the markets, the close quarters, and other stimuli which lead to the development of these viruses are.

    I don't think it's an either/or with the research. There would be both a desire for a vaccine and a desire to research for bioweapons, even if the excuse is self-defense. It's a matter of what the powers that be demand, fund, and in the case of China, order.

    It's really hard for us to know all the details.

    Fauci has said and still does say to keep an open mind. Because the verdict isn't out and it is so hard to know definitively.

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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Fauci did no such thing. That claim is partly based upon misinterpretation ─ people only seeing what they're willing to see ─ among the alt-right echo chambers on the one hand, and upon willful lies and spin by that same alt-right on the other hand. If you can even still call it the alt-right, because in the USA, that ideology has now become the mainstream right-wing.

    The documents have all been made public, so the truth is visible to everyone willing to see it for what it is, but even though I detest both parties in the American bipartisan hegemony, only the Republican Party and its shills among the mainstream media ─ read: Fox News, et al ─ have time and again made unscrupulous use of bold-faced lies and spin to serve their cause. That was already the case before Donald Trump and Qanon showed up on the scene, but it has become amplified to a tenfold ever since.

    Nowadays they're not just lying through their teeth anymore, but they're also foaming at the mouth while doing it. Don't forget that only ten Republicans were willing to condone the impeachment of Donald Trump ─ on both occasions ─ and that the rest of the party refuses to even consent to a proper investigation of the attempted coup at the Capitol that cost five human lives.
    Well, Fauci is just the fall guy, as far as I can tell, I have nothing against him personally.

    My real issue is with the entire military-scientific establishment around bioweapons, sorry, I meant gain-of-function-because-we-care research and the way they have behaved.

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