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    Quote Originally posted by NotAPretender View Post
    that's a bad deal...I grew up around railroad tracks and not to mess with your post, Aragorn...a train ... jeezus, those things don't play...
    I live near railroad tracks, unfortunately. Sometimes they clean up "the mess".

    I know it when the trains stop there suddenly. I don't envy their jobs.

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    yeeouch...for real, Wind.
    “El revolucionario: te meteré la bota en el culo"

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    Yup. We humans are quite fragile things... Consider the momentum of a train. Terrible way to go.

    I wouldn't choose that, there are less gruesome ways. It leaves the drivers traumatized too.

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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Those are deaths that could have been avoided if the USA had had a decent public healthcare system, a decent education system and a less corporate-fascism-oriented policy with a carefully programmed-in and deeply embedded aversion to all things socialism.

    But it didn't and it doesn't. So any deaths that are to come as the result of the impact of the pandemic on the US economy are in fact only the US's karma coming round to bite them in the ass for consistently spending over 60% of the annual gross national income on the US military-industrial complex, instead of on those aspects of society where that money is needed the most.

    One only reaps what one sows. But recognizing that takes a wisdom and intellectual maturity that by definition is diametrically opposed to the reactionary anti-intellectual movement that has been dominating US culture since at least as early as the 1940s.

    And before good old Fred Steeves feels the itch coming up to put me in my place again on account of my criticism of the United States, these are not my words, but those of the late and great Isaac Asimov.
    This post is literally music to my ears or a feast for the eyes. This is exactly what is wrong, but the hard right are too f'g stupid to realize it.

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    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    I agree with your post overall, but you got your figures wrong. The US economy is about 20-trillion in size and of that roughly 1 trillion is spent on the military in various ways (including department of energy spending on nuclear weapons, etc...). So, it's probably more like 5-6 percent, but that is still very high by international comparison, only North Korea and perhaps Greece spends as much on the military proportionally and they're both essentially on a constant war footing. Japan, Germany, etc... spend only 1 percent of their economy on the military, though of course they don't have an empire to maintain.

    But, the overall picture is actually worse, because of the federal system in the US and much lower federal taxes than comparable nations. Federal Tax receipts are only about 3-4 trillion annually, so the US spends close to a third of the federal budget on "defence" a pretty unprecedented number amongst modern nations.
    You are talking about gross domestic income or GDP, not sure which. Gross domestic income is taxed, at the federal level, on average, maybe 30%? Big guess there. 60% of those taxes go towards military spending.
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    Quote Originally posted by Wind View Post
    Yup. We humans are quite fragile things... Consider the momentum of a train. Terrible way to go.

    I wouldn't choose that, there are less gruesome ways. It leaves the drivers traumatized too.
    Oh Wind. Horrors--and Aragorn. Youch!

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    I'm reading this whilst sitting on the train, headed to a meeting with representatives of the Hungarian State Railway company...

    Oh the irony.

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    Did the virus disappear? Nope, especially in US and Brazil it's been treated really poorly.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...covid-19-cases

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    Carpo has discussed the possibility of the virus crossing the blood-brain barrier. Bad new all the way around. I'm glad to hear him speaking forcefully about the importance of wearing masks. We did it in the early 20th century. We should be able to do it a century later.

    We should be able to learn from our history.

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    Some Americans have made cards like these, I don't even know what to say.


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    Somebody recently told me about how you can get a doctor's note saying that you suffer from claustrophobia or something.

    FTBA isn't a Federal agency. There is a Florida Transportation Builders Association.

    I find it hilariously ironic that the same folks who don't want government interference will use something supposedly authorized by the government to defend their lack of use of a face mask.

    Oh the hypocrisy. Oh the irony.

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    The second wave of covid is coming, folks.
    Brace yerselves, this is gonna be one heck of a ride...

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    We're still in the first wave here. We hardly flattened the curve. We are getting spikes in states now where there was not as much social distancing/mask wearing. As governments and businesses open things up numbers will go up. But this is not a second wave. It's still part of the first.

    The second wave will come probably in the fall, when the weather gets colder again and flu season is in full force. More folks will be vulnerable then.

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    Patience is hard to come by for most everybody, but this is emerging as a really bad situation. If Southerners could think past their private parts and their ongoing Civil War, we might have had a chance to minimize the economic damage. I want to see how we're going to crawl out of this hole...
    “El revolucionario: te meteré la bota en el culo"

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    Ftba, "Fat-ass tool of the beast agency" I apologize to any Trump supporters here. But before you condemn me for generalizing...step on a scale.

    I have a sense that younger people will be emboldened this summer, if they themselves don't get this bug. Come Autumn though...they could be blindsided by the second wave that will be stronger, more of a killer than the first wave. The first wave vaccinated the young against the idea that the virus is lethal to them.
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