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    Aianawa - Long video so I will get to it when I can focus for two hours. Thank You.


    Aragorn (et al) - I could not help but think of a passage from a book.

    Your words:
    Another option is that the banks start buying up all the bankrupt shops and thus effectively become the controllers of the entire economy. And banks being banks, they will continue competing with one another and buying out their competitors, until in the end you're left with a monopoly that effectively owns all private property. So then you get corporate fascism.


    As soon as I read through your response and read the above lines - it hit me like a ton of bricks. Page xx in the introduction:

    From the book:
    ...the workplace
    the government will become the owner of all of the factors of production; the private ownership of property will be outlawed ....


    The book I purchased is in its twenty seventh print run - so that's a lot of People reading this book. Full reference:The New World Order by A. Ralph Jepperson, Publius Press, Arizona 2017.


    That is why I am sitting on the fence about from where it emanated. Science is controlled by money as is the medical industry. I want to believe you when you state it is a natural manifestation/evolutionary based virus - but - I cannot commit to one or the other. I question everything. This could very well be our turning point - where we all come together and share our skills and Spirit with each other to Survive - or - it could be an elaborate psy op to throw People off centre.

    I know People are sick and I know People have died and more will no doubt die before this is done and dusted. Wars are fought on many fronts and they rarely do anything more than sacrifice innocent People and then support industry and the economy as those who are left rebuild what was destroyed.

    I will finish this post on a positive note. There is a thread on faceache for the People who live in my town. ANZAC (Australian and New Zealand Armed Corp) Day is approaching and public gatherings are being cancelled. A local musician who has played the Last Post for many years offered to play from his front yard. Normally it is played at sunrise. (I'm getting chills and goosebumps as I write). The musician asked whether People would mind him playing at 6am or later at 9am. Well the response was overwhelming - don't worry about the whingers - just play at 6am and we will all be in our front yards. He has offered to play at both 6am and 9am. See - the Human Spirit and the Divergent Thinkers will always find a way through the chaos.

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    Thanks guys, some very important points were made in the previous posts, it is important to keep the discussion going.

    A couple of thoughts on some of the issues that were brought up:

    - 5G - This has been a meme on the far-right and particularly on Project Avalon lately, linking the outbreak to the rollout of 5G in Wuhan etc... As far as I can tell, and I'm no scientist, there is no basis for linking the two phenomena and Aragorn has mentioned some of the reasons why. The most we can state with some certainty is that electromagnetic radiation in general can be disruptive to some people, that are sensitive to it, but it does not seem to have a widespread effect on the general population. I have been at times highly sensitive to electromagnetic effects, especially right after I went through a Kundalini awakening, so I know it is real, but I see no evidence that it is connected to this viral pandemic.

    - The Bioweapon thing.
    At this point I just don't know, but I stopped focusing on that aspect a while ago. I would say the circumstances of how this virus got into the human population are highly suspicious, but there does not seem to be clear evidence either way. This may remain a mystery forever and I think we should focus on more important issues, like mitigation.

    - The fact, that life will change forever.
    Oh yeah and Aragorn brought up some important points. It is grotesque that people (Americans in particular) spend a good chunk of their lives hauling their asses around in three and a half tons of sheet metal taking up the same space as a 12-seater bus would, burning fossil fuels and polluting the very air they breathe. This really has to stop, commuting, especially by gas-guzzling truck is complete insanity. I expect a lot more people will be working from home or riding electric scooters to work when needed, only using big vehicles (perhaps rented and not owned) when they have to make a road trip. For most people that's a couple of times a year and in the meanwhile, they can telecommute, ride an e-scooter or public transit (though not now obviousy) and get their groceries delivered. We're going to save so much energy with this, no wonder oil markets are crashing, they've suddenly seen their (lack of) future ahead and need to sell as much oil as they possible can, before demand collapses even more.

    - Our future.
    I always go by the data and the facts, if they are available. At the start of the pandemic, things were looking very bleak indeed. R0 values of up to 12 in South Korea, credible reports of death rates as high as 17 percent in Wuhan, that sort of thing. Authorities in the West just weren't taking this seriously and it looked like the pandemic was unstoppable and would exterminate a good chunk of the human population, collapsing society in the process. At that point, that was a reasonable assumption to make. However, facts and data have changed, especially as regards what is coming out of Asia, so there is reason to be more optimistic and we now have several promising drug treatments that may work, as well as effective social distancing and quarantine measures. Don't get me wrong, this thing is still deadly and millions may yet die, but at least we now know that we can stop this or at least bring it under control, probably by the end of June.

    - Conclusions:
    So yeah, keep your asses home, wear masks when in public, although it's best to get everything delivered and go for walks in nature where no one's around if you can. You'll be fine, if you take the necessary precautions.

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    They seem to be doing well. Nice place, nice furniture. Nice place to be quarantined.

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    Quote Originally posted by Amanda View Post
    Aragorn (et al) - I could not help but think of a passage from a book.

    Your words:
    Another option is that the banks start buying up all the bankrupt shops and thus effectively become the controllers of the entire economy. And banks being banks, they will continue competing with one another and buying out their competitors, until in the end you're left with a monopoly that effectively owns all private property. So then you get corporate fascism.


    As soon as I read through your response and read the above lines - it hit me like a ton of bricks. Page xx in the introduction:

    From the book:
    ...the workplace
    the government will become the owner of all of the factors of production; the private ownership of property will be outlawed ....

    [...]
    Well if the government owns everything, then that's communism. But if a private corporation ─ or plural: private corporations, at least, until the monopoly arises ─ owns everything, then that's fascism.

    Most people think that fascism equates to Nazism, but that would be a mistake. Nazism was only one form of fascism, and was specifically focused on ethnic purification. Mussolini's fascism also knew racism, but it was quite different. The United States of America are a de facto fascist regime, given that not only the whole of society but even the two official political parties are entirely controlled by the corporate world.

    Europe is very corporate as well, but the main difference with the USA is that the European Union does have barriers in place to break the power of the corporations if it gets too big. So the European Union is actually more of a social-liberal construct ─ I won't go so far as to say "social democracy", because the word "democracy" does not apply. The European Union is a bureaucratic monstrosity in which the people themselves have very little say.


    P.S.: Don't bother with the David Wilcock video. Wilcock has already long lost his credibility.
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    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    Oh yeah and Aragorn brought up some important points. It is grotesque that people (Americans in particular) spend a good chunk of their lives hauling their asses around in three and a half tons of sheet metal taking up the same space as a 12-seater bus would, burning fossil fuels and polluting the very air they breathe. This really has to stop, commuting, especially by gas-guzzling truck is complete insanity. I expect a lot more people will be working from home or riding electric scooters to work when needed, only using big vehicles (perhaps rented and not owned) when they have to make a road trip.
    Now now Chris, tell that to the guys like me whose truck is but one of the tools they need daily to make a living.

    It’s funny you mention this because I was just commenting to my wife the other day on our way back to the old house we are refurbishing with about 2,000 pounds of lumber in the bed, that a lot of people these days think I shouldn’t even be allowed to have a truck. It’s not even all that often I have to get a load that big, but it is quite often I have to quick run and get a sheet of plywood, maybe a few 2x4 studs, or whatever.

    You would have me try and load this stuff on a scooter?
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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    Now now Chris, tell that to the guys like me whose truck is but one of the tools they need daily to make a living.

    It’s funny you mention this because I was just commenting to my wife the other day on our way back to the old house we are refurbishing with about 2,000 pounds of lumber in the bed, that a lot of people these days think I shouldn’t even be allowed to have a truck. It’s not even all that often I have to get a load that big, but it is quite often I have to quick run and get a sheet of plywood, maybe a few 2x4 studs, or whatever.

    You would have me try and load this stuff on a scooter?
    You know very well that you're not the average truck user. Most people buy them as status symbols, because they like the fact that they're big, rugged and "manly". Yet, look at your average traffic jam in a big city and it is full of trucks with a single passenger in it and no cargo. Most of those people could get around just as well with something smaller or even a scooter. Traffic jams would disappear in an instant. It is because people are greedy and want to take up as much space for themselves as they possibly can. The situation in LA is particularly baffling. Everybody constantly complains about traffic jams, yet if half the people stuck in it would switch to scooters, there would be none to speak of. It's not like the weather doesn't allow for it either...

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    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    You know very well that you're not the average truck user. Most people buy them as status symbols, because they like the fact that they're big, rugged and "manly". Yet, look at your average traffic jam in a big city and it is full of trucks with a single passenger in it and no cargo. Most of those people could get around just as well with something smaller or even a scooter. Traffic jams would disappear in an instant. It is because people are greedy and want to take up as much space for themselves as they possibly can. The situation in LA is particularly baffling. Everybody constantly complains about traffic jams, yet if half the people stuck in it would switch to scooters, there would be none to speak of. It's not like the weather doesn't allow for it either...
    Those pickup trucks are gaining popularity here in Europe as well. Just in case a regular SUV isn't intimidating enough yet.
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    Trucks are for what you're using them for, Fred. Not for showing off with spray on mud and never a load to tow or carry.

    I know folks who drove them just to have them and thumb their noses at care for the environment, which is not even a reason.

    My husband got a truck, but it has the same mileage as my car which is about twice the gas guzzlers. Eventually we'll likely not even have cars that use gas.

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    I just got back from the supermarket. It was surreal. Not only is all of the toilet paper gone ─ and the staff put up a sign that said that only one pack per customer would be allowed ─ but also almost all of the food.

    Some of the staff were wearing masks and/or rubber gloves. There was one customer ─ a really big guy ─ who was wearing one of those expensive specialized masks. I have no idea where he got that, because they're very hard to come by, even for medical professionals. And he was walking around like he was enjoying his weird appearance. At the same time, there were several people ─ both customers and staff ─ who didn't care to obey the "social distance" of 1.5 meter. A couple of people passed me by shoulder to shoulder without any consideration whatsoever.

    Surreal. Simply surreal.
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    My daughter was quarantined for a few days due to her friend being sick but with Epstein-Barr virus...she went back to work despite my trying to talk her out of it...I told her not to worry about expenses as I would take care of them...didn't matter. I told her to take extreme precautions...she works at Starbucks's and they still have open entrances in their Houston stores...most employees are worried about income and I explained to her that shouldn't concern her.

    I haven't owned a 'big' auto since I was divorced with 2 kids...I always go for gas economy, will buy an electric one when and if it is ever economically feasible. I have considered a motorcycle for a few years but those are deathtraps on Houston freeways...If we could get people to ride scooters, i'd get me a hog and run over their asses...

    What's with the political poopoo...
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    Gosh - we got this thread charged up - great to see. On the point of surreal shopping experiences, that is happening here but without the masks. Certain people of a particular ethnicity are going so insane that they are hiring buses - some medium sized vehicles with a fridge unit on the rear et cetera - and - making a day trip to visit several rural towns and clean out their supermarkets.

    It won't last long. They have been run/escorted out of some towns already. Even in my town in a rural farming area - it's insane. Most People were concerned for the elderly so I think locals stood up to defend them and the rest just followed. I think at one town someone mentioned the Police issuing fines/tickets. If I were still a Police Officer I would do as much as the law permitted me to do.

    As for vehicles and making the world cleaner et cetera - don't forget our beloved Nikola Tesla. He gave us FREE endless energy but jp morgan (no capitals for him) asked him: Where is the meter? As a point of interest I met with a group of locals a few times to talk about all the amazing things that happen in this paradigm. One man was friends with a gentleman who had a working prototype of a car that was powered by water. The government not only shut him down they destroyed his work.

    So - I think we have what we need - it's simply that the powers that be don't want Free Endless Natural Energy.

    The virus has really impacted on everyone. For those who have died I can only feel sadness and want them to be at Peace but for the rest of us - we have to keep our sanity and get along. Absolutely not a single positive test in the entire region where I live and many many many other regions. I really don't think it is a pandemic. I think it might be a rehearsal for something else. Just like the German Regime and Hitler - I have read many articles where it was referred to as a test run. For those of you who don't know me - I read books, magazines, journals and speak with deep thinkers and serious researchers - I don't just utilise the internet.

    The virus may have been man made and it may even be a naturally occurring mutation - but - I do not think it will wipe out the greater part of humanity. I think it has provided a platform for control of the movement of People and lots of attention to the economy.

    Just looked out my window - HUGE geo-engineering trail. I've noticed that they seem to be lower in the sky over the last year or so. Anyone have any thoughts on whether they are involved in the virus? There is a site somewhere (I keep hard copies of articles that are well written so I don't have an electronic file system) two men who worked in the fitness industry could not work out why they were consistently sick. Short version: They noted the Geo-Engineering and set out to research and learned that there are seven different types. Some contain biologicals, one even contains blood spores.

    Soooooooooooooooo here's another train of thought - is/was the virus sprayed on certain areas????? Someone knows the truth - they always do.


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    Looked for a world map to gain a complete overview of what is happening. Located what looked like a well written documentation of what is happening on a site: time.com - just look for the coronavirus map & the stats are below.

    I selected a few statistics that bring the word pandemic into a new perspective.

    These statistics are global.

    Total = 242,713
    Deaths = 9,867
    Recoveries = 84,962

    The first page lists the highest numbers so I selected three at random - including Iran as our friend Aragorn mentioned earlier they had high statistics.

    Italy
    Cases = 41,035
    Deaths = 3,405
    Recoveries = 4,440


    South Korea
    Cases = 8,565
    Deaths = 91
    Recoveries = 1,540


    Iran
    Cases = 18,407
    Deaths = 1,284
    Recoveries = 5,710


    Date of the above information listed as: 19th March 2020 8pm EST.


    Firstly the three items I chose at random stood out because the recovery rate is far higher than the death rate. Not all countries (sadly) exhibit those type of statistics. Now there is an interesting fact that I located on a site I used to visit regularly called sott.net (Signs of The Times) and yesterday I skim read an article that mentioned something about Ascorbic Acid/Vitamin C being shipped to some of the Asian countries. Just a skim read so I cannot recall the exact details of the article - I intend to read thoroughly at a time in the near future.

    Just sharing the above as food for thought. May those who have died Be At Peace and Guide Us in Benevolent Spirit.


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    In the U.S so far the death rate is about 1.666%, it varies by country and you cited some are hit particularly hard like Italy. What's curious in the U.S. there is a family named 'Fusco' that are just being devastated...4 deaths so far in a family of about 20 and with still more ill.
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    Quote Originally posted by NotAPretender View Post
    In the U.S so far the death rate is about 1.666%, it varies by country and you cited some are hit particularly hard like Italy. What's curious in the U.S. there is a family named 'Fusco' that are just being devastated...4 deaths so far in a family of about 20 and with still more ill.
    There seems to be some sort of genetic component to this that is not entirely clear, probably connected to the prevalence of ACE2 receptors in various populations, which this virus binds to.

    The big head scratcher to me is the vast difference in German and Italian death rates. Germany had only two deaths so far out of ten thousand infected, whereas Italy had thousands of deaths with a few tens of thousands infected. Makes no sense, but there is probably some component we're missing.

    BTW, this was also the case with the Spanish flu. Some populations, such as Native Americans, Australian Aborigines and Italians were absolutely devastated whilst other populations, primarily from the North and North West of Europe proved a lot more resilient. In the US, Italians and Native Americans were the worst hit, with far higher death rates and nobody really knows why.

    I am also noticing practically no deaths so far from the African population, either in the US or in Africa itself. There must be some sort of selective resilience that explains this. Probably worth a Nobel Prize if someone can figure this one out.
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    hey Chris,

    that's interesting...I suspect that the Spanish Flu might have actually originated in the Native American population, specifically of Mexican origin. There was an influx of Mexican farm workers in that decade among the farming communities notably in Kansas. And many of those workers earned citizenship by joining the military AND the flu started in an army base city. There is essentially only one in Kansas...Fort Riley which is about 75 miles from my hometown (located outside of a town called Junction City). There was an airforce base called Forbes Air Base in that era outside the state capital Topeka which is about 50 miles from my hometown...
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