Coronavirus with an R0 of 3 or beyond

**Chris** · 6th March 2020, 14:29

Originally posted by Aragorn

It's almost like the movie "Idiocracy", except that "Idiocracy" was actually funny. What has been happening in the USA these last four years is not.

Yes, the parallels with president Camacho are uncanny. Wasn't he a porn star, pro-wrestler and reality TV star? He could have played that role just by being himself...

**Wind** · 6th March 2020, 14:32

Originally posted by Aragorn

It's almost like the movie "Idiocracy", except that "Idiocracy" was actually funny. What has been happening in the USA these last four years is not.

The worst part might be that there still could more than four more years left of that and it ain't getting better. Only worse.

**Aragorn** · 6th March 2020, 14:40

Originally posted by Chris

Originally posted by Aragorn

It's almost like the movie "Idiocracy", except that "Idiocracy" was actually funny. What has been happening in the USA these last four years is not.

Yes, the parallels with president Camacho are uncanny. Wasn't he a porn star, pro-wrestler and reality TV star? He could have played that role just by being himself...

All correct, yes.

**Chris** · 6th March 2020, 14:56

Originally posted by Wind

The worst part might be that there still could more than four more years left of that and it ain't getting better. Only worse.

The Coronavirus depression is now baked into the cake and may yet scupper Trump's re-election chances. On the other hand, it is hard to see who could beat him on the Democratic side. The Buythem name is tainted with the whiff of corruption and franky, uncle Joe is senile. As for Bernie, do we really think that a Jewish self-described socialist is going to get into office? Hell will freeze over before he is even given the nomination, let alone the presidency.

**Wind** · 6th March 2020, 15:14

Indeed. Trumpster gets the good rep for the booming economy. What if the economy is tanking towards November? The stock markets are already flailing. Did anyone expect Trump to win? Look what happened. Even if somehow magically Biden goes to office, things won't change for the better. I want to believe in Bernie's chances, but I know how indoctrinated Americans are. I didn't joke when I said that he's Americas last hope. The Empire is crumbling.

**Aragorn** · 6th March 2020, 15:25

Originally posted by Wind

Originally posted by Chris

The Coronavirus depression is now baked into the cake and may yet scupper Trump's re-election chances. On the other hand, it is hard to see who could beat him on the Democratic side. The Buythem name is tainted with the whiff of corruption and franky, uncle Joe is senile. As for Bernie, do we really think that a Jewish self-described socialist is going to get into office? Hell will freeze over before he is even given the nomination, let alone the presidency.

Indeed. Trumpster gets the good rep for the booming economy. What if the economy is tanking towards November? The stock markets are already flailing. Did anyone expect Trump to win? Look what happened. Even if somehow magically Biden goes to office, things won't change for the better. I want to believe in Bernie's chances, but I know how indoctrinated Americans are. I didn't joke when I said that he's Americas last hope. The Empire is crumbling.

Bernie won't win. The Democratic super delegates have already decided that unless he wins with an absolute majority of the votes, they are unanimously going to vote against him.

Back to topic: 59 new cases of COVID-19 in Belgium today. One professor of the VUB (Free University of Brussels) has proposed that they stop testing people for COVID-19 ─ and I quote ─ "because it's no use anyway."

**Chris** · 6th March 2020, 15:42

Originally posted by Aragorn

Bernie won't win. The Democratic super delegates have already decided that unless he wins with an absolute majority of the votes, they are unanimously going to vote against him.

Back to topic: 59 new cases of COVID-19 in Belgium today. One professor of the VUB (Free University of Brussels) has proposed that they stop testing people for COVID-19 ─ and I quote ─ "because it's no use anyway."

It seems a pandemic is now a certainty. It may come in several waves. I don't think this is the end of Sars-2 in China either.

There are also 4 confirmed cases in Hungary now (Iranian and American students who brought the disease from their own countries). They've also quarantined a Japanese tour group until they're tested.

**Aragorn** · 6th March 2020, 15:46

Originally posted by Chris

It seems a pandemic is now a certainty. It may come in several waves. I don't think this is the end of Sars-2 in China either.

There are also 4 confirmed cases in Hungary now (Iranian and American students who brought the disease from their own countries). They've also quarantined a Japanese tour group until they're tested.

Most of those who've got it here came from vacation or business trips to Italy, but there are effectively people who've contracted it here. So yes, it's a pandemic.

**Emil El Zapato** · 6th March 2020, 20:42

My daughter got over the flu awhile back. Does anybody know how covid reacts on a standard flu test. My daughter was positive for the flu

**Chris** · 6th March 2020, 21:38

Originally posted by NotAPretender

My daughter got over the flu awhile back. Does anybody know how covid reacts on a standard flu test. My daughter was positive for the flu

They're not related at all. Coronaviruses are a completely different kind of virus than flu viruses. MERS, SARS and now SARS-CoV2 are all pretty closely related, but none of them are currently treatable or have workable vaccines against them. Also, another way in which SARS-CoV2 is not like flu is that attacks the nervous system and can cause sudden heart and respiratory failure, as well as seizures.

However, the common cold, is often caused by certain types of coronavirus, as opposed to the flu (influenza), a distinction often lost in the English language, which may account for why so many people, including at the very top, confuse the coronavirus with influenza. I keep saying this over and over again, so once again, do keep in mind, this is not the flu.

**Wind** · 6th March 2020, 23:16

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg7FwHteB0I

**Orbs** · 8th March 2020, 15:23

I thought my last post made this morning was solid. I have been reporting from my perspective for a few weeks now.

Some of you don't live in the USA and it is interesting to read some of your takes on American politics including the trumpet. I don't interfere with any of it nor say a word when people bash the trumpet. I'm hopefully big enough to know the whole system is beyond broken. All of it. All serving the same master if you will.

In essence, the headlines and events don't map. The "reaction" has not been strong enough so they are pumping up the "problem." A stronger "reaction" was needed to move the plans along faster. This is why it is centimeter by centimeter.

For example, the CDC issued a warning, yes a warning, to expect disruption and loss of income. We haven't seen that in the USA at all. Not yet. However, it is like they were reading from a play book. People that do that plan. They are going to quarantine us and they are not going to stop until we are.

IMO the amount of quarantine in the USA has hardly started at all. I expect the CDC's warning to come to fruition. I don't bank on it. I don't dwell on it. I just understand mind control. Everyone I know will yield. So, it will happen.

So we have the holy trinity of fear - terrorist, viruses, and bad aliens. There is a terrorist under your bed and always will be. There are virus's on every door knob and your mail and it will never end and they are invisible.

We have seen two out of three. The alien card has not been played yet. It is the ace up the sleeve. I don't think it will be played I know it will be played. I don't know when. We can guess as long as the other two trinities of fear are doing a good job then it's anyone's guess when the alien ace will be played.

I can't say I wish to be quarantined. I can't say I will enjoy it. I can't say it will happen everywhere and in fact would imagine it won't. But I do understand what a playbook is and these people don't play games. They also like to use their playbook.

I am not quite yet a doom a gloomer. I expect this all to go away but a certain amount of tests are required. It just doesn't have the traction the headlines want. There is always next time, right? Poke the animals with a stick here and there and record the data.

This is why twitter and Facebook are so important. Instant Hegelian Dialectic feedback. No more waiting 3 months to collect the reaction/data. It's live baby! You can drive a million tweets in a day and they push it all into the database without anyone else striking a key.

Simulation. Instant Hegelian. With a "global" threat they push a global solution. This is a push for consolidation. It has morphed into a test of our willingness.

I wish I could get quarantined with a bunch of the opposite sex. Ha ha ha. Kind of begs the question of where would a good place to be quarantined be?

**Chris** · 8th March 2020, 19:10

The thing about the virus is that we don't really know where it originated from and why it is here.

Could be engineered, could be a lab experience gone wrong, could even be nature's retaliation for humanity's destruction of the planet, or who knows, the wrath of the gods.

I don't know either, but the virus is here and it is dead serious, there is no fooling around with it. I don't think any of the outcomes will be pleasant, an Australian study drew up 7 possible scenarios, and the best-case scenario they could come up with, was 15 million dead and a 2.5 trillion dollar hit to global GDP, meaning a global recession. This one is going to cause a lot of pain and suffering, especially at the margins and the general vibe will be very black plaguey all over the world.

My own feeling is that this is it, the big event, call it the apocalypse if you will, but this is going to cause a major reset in the world and in just a few short years. The world a few years from now will be unrecognisable from the world today. As you may know, I am a kollapsnik, so I think daily life will be reorganised along much simpler and sustainable lines, most people will basically live like the Amish do today, homesteading and largely independent from any large-scale political control. I really think that our current industrial, highly destructive and psychopathic civilisation is going away, whether we like it or not. If we're lucky, we might return to an 18th century lifestyle, mostly centred around land, animals and agriculture, as well as much physical labour. It is only a hunch, but we shall see. And no, I don't think the Aliens are coming to save us, not this time, anyways. It's all up to us now.

**Emil El Zapato** · 8th March 2020, 19:19

I don't know Chris...we are still dealing with preliminary circumstances...

I don't know what is best for humanity either. Everyone is consumed with self-determination and choices. My choice would be that we actually have choices. Give to High Tech that which is High Tech's and give to the Amish that which is Amish's. I do believe we can't do both on this planet. Humanity's desire to be 'differentiated' is too primeval in nature...I'm not sure that to not have that desire was intended for this world, this consciousness. Perhaps that is the big joke that the Archons have played on us...Thinking we had that choice.

**Aragorn** · 8th March 2020, 19:44

Originally posted by Chris

The thing about the virus is that we don't really know where it originated from and why it is here.

Could be engineered, could be a lab experience gone wrong, could even be nature's retaliation for humanity's destruction of the planet, or who knows, the wrath of the gods.

I don't know either, but the virus is here and it is dead serious, there is no fooling around with it. I don't think any of the outcomes will be pleasant, an Australian study drew up 7 possible scenarios, and the best-case scenario they could come up with, was 15 million dead and a 2.5 trillion dollar hit to global GDP, meaning a global recession. This one is going to cause a lot of pain and suffering, especially at the margins and the general vibe will be very black plaguey all over the world.

My own feeling is that this is it, the big event, call it the apocalypse if you will, but this is going to cause a major reset in the world and in just a few short years. The world a few years from now will be unrecognisable from the world today. As you may know, I am a kollapsnik, so I think daily life will be reorganised along much simpler and sustainable lines, most people will basically live like the Amish do today, homesteading and largely independent from any large-scale political control. I really think that our current industrial, highly destructive and psychopathic civilisation is going away, whether we like it or not. If we're lucky, we might return to an 18th century lifestyle, mostly centred around land, animals and agriculture, as well as much physical labour. It is only a hunch, but we shall see. And no, I don't think the Aliens are coming to save us, not this time, anyways. It's all up to us now.

The numbers are interesting, though ─ I've just posted them on the Chris Thomas thread.

There are over 100'000 infections worldwide. More than half of those have recovered or are in the process of recovering.
There have so far been over 3'400 deaths worldwide due to this virus, but well over 3'000 of those were in the Wuhan province in China.