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    thank you for assistance, Aragorn. I grant you Malisa don't bother me.

    I even respect her discomfort, minimizing it sounds like aggression, but rather a humorous joke between friends.

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    I also realize the text its hard, and I want to turnt it more smooth to read and understand

    the source paper have between 40 and 50 years old, and it is perfectly possible to review it, as I am trying to do here.
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    Lol the theory of No thing only reemerged when the theory of everything lost count, why does one mind die and yet another bless the same happening, one ages n suffers n dies unless ?, one is not their mind nor body nor thoughts though experiences are a gathering of wisdom which one may share so another suffers not if understood, understood being surrender.
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    Quote Originally posted by Aianawa View Post
    Lol the theory of No thing only reemerged when the theory of everything lost count,
    Since ancient times, humankind uses concepts and theories as a tools to develop knowledge about "everything", but the knowledge about Soul-Consciousness was always be hide (and relatively still are).

    When you born, you don't need a theory to use your hands, your foots, that as part of your "body tools" to live and surviver. But even so, modern biomechanics (theories) help to use the body members more better. High performance athletes study and practice these things.

    So, have you seen before another proposal to Know Soul-Consciousness as a Scientific Priority ?
    If you have not see it, this proposal is not another one, but the first one proposing that

    So, I think the word "reemerged" and the words "lost count" are not applicable to this kind of proposition

    why does one mind die and yet another bless the same happening,
    Do you not bless those who invented the telephone, the automobile, home appliances, and do not bless those who seek to perfect them to improve the day-by-day life ?

    regard that when you buy any of them, in a way you bless who made it and who sold it, with money where it says - In God We Trust!

    one ages n suffers n dies unless ?
    sorry, but I can not understand this question. Please use plain text and contextualize the issue to avoid misunderstandings!

    one is not their mind nor body nor thoughts
    ok, you said what its not "One", but Not what It's One,
    Only deny doesn't mean you know about "What It's One"

    the proposal is exactly to prioritize the knowledge about What's is One.
    so, if you know or have a better proposal, Why don't share it to others ?

    though experiences are a gathering of wisdom which one may share so another suffers not if understood, understood being surrender.
    I'm confusing what is the surrender context you mean, because a conscious (individual) choice it's not a surrender, although can be seen as that (distorced) by the eyes of a opportunist conquer who desires to force It over the others, like a propagandist sofism.

    A formed (conscious) individual never surrender under things he personally doesn't approve, because knows the (untouchable) Law (of free will). Remember that many people were killed because they did not surrender to being forced to do what they did not want

    so, to present a robust and convincent proposal, not means be force It, anyway .. a good agreement it's not a surrender!
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    Mmmm being who you are not, to be who you are is only complex when one does not know who they are because they believe they already know.
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    being you are not -- its illusion .. even the best imitation, is still imitation

    believe never be, and never will be the best way, because may be illusion too.

    where you see illusion or beliefs contexts on my argues ? .. if you suppose there are such approaches, you misunderstood.

    I argumented tons of objective and fundamented "facts", or at least, experiences that can serve as "Real Useful" Examples to help others.

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    the idea of Every-think embedded on the Scientific Paradigm its not new, and has been used by the ancients since the dawn of civilization, that postulated the Mental Body its the first (source) principle of Every-thing.

    Kybalion - The seven Principles

    1. The Principle of Mentalism embodies the idea that "All is Mind." Everything that happens has to be a result of a mental state which precedes it. For anything to exist, thoughts had to form first, which then form physical reality or manifestation. "Your thoughts are seeds, plant positive seeds in your mind garden."

    2. The Principle of Correspondence expresses the idea that there is always a correspondence between the laws of phenomena of the various "planes" of being and life. As Above, So Below, or As Below, So Above. This principle states that there is a harmony which can be made, agreement and correspondence between these planes, delineated as:

    The Great Physical Plane
    The Great Mental Plane
    The Great Spiritual Plane

    3. The Principle of Vibration expounds the idea that motion is manifest in everything in the Universe, that nothing rests, and everything moves, vibrates and circles. This principle explains that the distinction between manifestations of Matter, Energy, Mind, and even Spirit, are the result of only different "vibrations". The higher a person is on the scale, the higher the rate of vibration will be. Here, The All is said to be at an infinite level of vibration, almost to the point of being at rest. There are said to be millions upon millions of varying degrees between the highest level, The All, and the objects of the lowest vibration.

    Mental Transmutation is described as the practical application of this principle. To change one's mental state is to change vibration. One may do this by an effort of Will, by means of deliberately "fixing the attention" upon a more desirable state.

    4. The Principle of Polarity embodies the idea that everything is dual, everything has two poles, and everything has its opposite. All manifested things have two sides, two aspects, or two poles. Everything "is" and "isn't" at the same time, all truths are but half truths and every truth is half false, there are two sides to everything, opposites are identical in nature yet different in degree, extremes meet, and all paradoxes may be reconciled.

    5. The Principle of Rhythm expresses the idea that in everything there is manifested a measured motion, a to and from, a flow and inflow, a swing backward and forward, a pendulum-like movement. There is rhythm between every pair of opposites, or poles, and is closely related to the Principle of Polarity. It can be seen that this Principle enables transition from one pole to the other, and not necessarily poles of extreme opposites.

    6. The Principle of Cause and Effect explains that there is a cause for every effect, and an effect for every cause. It also states that there is no such thing as chance, that chance is merely a term indicating extant causes not recognized or perceived.

    7. The Principle of Gender embodies the idea that gender is manifested in everything. This does not relate explicitly to the commonly understood notion of sex, but rather "... to beget; to procreate, to generate, to create, or to produce..." in general. Gender manifests itself on all planes as the Feminine and Masculine principles.

    Mental Gender is described as a Hermetic concept which relates to the feminine and masculine principles. It does not refer to someone's physical sex, nor does it suggest that someone of a certain sex necessarily has a matching mental gender. Ideally, one wants to have a balanced mental gender.

    The concept put forth in The Kybalion states that gender exists on all planes of existence (Physical, Mental and Spiritual), and represents different aspects on different planes. Everything and everyone contains these two elements or principles.

    The Feminine principle is always in the direction of receiving impressions, and has a much more varied field of operation than the Masculine. The Feminine conducts the work of generating new thoughts, concepts and ideas, including the work of the imagination.

    The Masculine principle is always in the direction of giving out or expressing, and contents itself with the "Will" in its varied phases.

    It is said that there must be a balance in these two forces. Without the Feminine, the Masculine is apt to act without restraint, order, or reason, resulting in chaos. The Feminine alone, on the other hand, is apt to constantly reflect and fail to actually do anything, resulting in stagnation. With both the Masculine and Feminine working in conjunction, there is thoughtful action that breeds success, which points out that both the Feminine and the Masculine fulfill each other.
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    Not in the kings and prince apples theory as herstory has proven not workable for all.

    Happy is the key from experience followed by joy, avoiding death the lock plus not knowing the What Is, is all.
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    What then do I do, said Matt. Question of a divine plan from a living Master >

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    Quote Originally posted by Aianawa View Post
    has proven not workable for all.
    proven by Whom, When and How was proved ?

    hermetic principles never was contested .. quite contrary

    Happy is the key from experience followed by joy, avoiding death the lock plus not knowing the What Is, is all.
    Agreeeee .. is All Illusion, with great king, prince, fairy, gnomes, apples and witches, as you wish

    not knowing the What Is .. What a Wonderful World ... www. .. is all

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    Her-story is a His-tory nature all.

    Herstory is nature naturally in harmony.

    PS nature has proven, was and is Proof.
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    Quote Originally posted by Aianawa View Post
    Her-story is a His-tory nature all.

    Herstory is nature naturally in harmony.

    PS nature has proven, was and is Proof.
    proven the spell goes back all to the story wizard

    to wizard apprentice, her-his even back before go

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    you speech with the authority of all nature, only yours, or by other(s) ?

    When have examined the heart of nature, wisdom will surely be only yours.
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    Wisdom is ones natural state when holding hands with Now, imo and experience.
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    Quote Originally posted by Aianawa View Post
    Wisdom is ones natural state when holding hands with Now, imo and experience.
    if you only can do a short phrase, without conceptualizing or describing the elements you use, your opinion is important, but your experience seems to me as short as your phrase that you can construct about.

    If you think you already know everything but can't explain much, you probably may be wrong with yourself throught the wisdom, nature, holding and experience available in all existencial planes, beyond your own (ego)

    The ego it is only sensitive to a very small part of the scientifically known spectrum, without speeching the unknown by science, and I'm talking about one subject useful in all these (life) phenomenas, not only about your single one.

    If you guess are most right than me, prove with arguments, not with vague hints permeated with moral influence that do not apply to purely mental debate. This don't works .. try again, like this (funny password) story bellow !

    In the beginning there was the computer. And God said

    :Let there be light!

    #Enter user id.

    :God

    #Enter password.

    :Omniscient

    #Password incorrect. Try again.

    :Omnipotent

    #Password incorrect. Try again.

    :Technocrat

    #And God logged on at 12:01:00 AM, Sunday, March 1.

    :Let there be light!

    #Unrecognizable command. Try again.

    :Create light

    #Done
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    I desire to not argue, now is an Xlent debate though no loser.
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    Quote Originally posted by Aianawa View Post
    I desire to not argue, now is an Xlent debate though no loser.
    good arguments are based on objective reason and not on subjective desire,
    unless you can objectively describe the desires without hidden subterfuges.

    as I said to you above, to wizard apprentice, her-his even back before go

    without Polarity there is only Unity and no choice to experience 'other than' that.
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    Imo bad arguments are important also, as good and bad create belief both ways n more.
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