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    Question The Clear Light Seen After Death.

    I've seen comments and warnings about The Ligh after Death, describing this light and strong magnetism coming from it as a soul trap.

    First translated into English in 1927, preface by Carl Jung, The Tibetan Book of the Dead, which reveals Buddhist conceptions of death, shows that in the first stage of transition from life to death, there is a Clear Light which can liberates from Karma and leads straight to Nirvana.

    out of alternative media disclosures, this is an intelligible reference knowed about this Light, and this reference seems very important, because this book was written based on old manuscripts, virtually equivalent to the sacred Egyptian Book of the Dead.

    The first, the setting-face-to-face with the Clear Light, during the Intermediate State of the Moments of Death, is: Here [some there may be] who have listened much [to religious instructions] yet not recognized ; and [some] who, though recognizing, are, nevertheless, weak in familiarity. But all classes of individuals who have received the practical teachings [called] Guides will, if this be applied to them, be set face to face with the fundamental Clear Light; and, without any Intermediate State, they will obtain the Unborn Dharma-Kaya, by the Great Perpendicular Path.

    about the 'Great Straight Upward Path': One of the Doctrines peculiar to Northern Buddhism is that spiritual emancipation, even Buddahood, may be won instantaneously, without entering upon the Bardo Plane and without further suffering on the age-long pathway of normal evolution which traverses the various worlds of sangsaric existence. The doctrine underlies the whole of the Bardo Thodol. Faith is the first step on the Secret Pathway. Then comes Illumination; and, with it, Certainty; and, when the Goal is won, Emancipation. But here again success implies very unusual proficiency in yoga, as well as much accumulated merit, or good karma, on the part of the devotee. If the disciple can be made to see and to grasp the Truth as soon as the guru reveals it, that is to say, if he has the power to die consciously, and at the supreme moment of quitting the body can recognize the Clear Light which will dawn upon him then, and become one with it, all sangsaric bonds of illusion are broken asunder immediately: the Dreamer is awakened into Reality simultaneously with the mighty achievement of recognition.

    source (from online book)
    The modern conscious studies and so called pseudo-sciences take cultural currents into account, but without religious and doctrinal bias, So, Faith, Devotion and Rituals are not absolutely necessary. Otherwise, all the knowledge and wisdom observed and developed for millennia can then be put to good use by those who are able to understand and practice it freely.

    It is interesting here to note that the First thing is the Clear Light, but The Book describes a long journey for the Bardo Thodol after life until a new reincarnation, So, I wouldn't be surprised if this really was a hidden trap, that only the iniciated knows about.

    So, a subtil question remains - is that so ?
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    There's a system for reincarnation and I don't think there's any "trap". The universe doesn't work that way. The only way out of the game is through enlightenment and the dissolvance of any residual karma which most people have gathered a lot during their human lives. No soul is forced to come to this planet, every soul makes that choice. We just don't necessarily remember that, but we did make the choice. I would recommend the books by Michael Newton, especially the Journey of Souls.

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    I personally do not believe, that the Soul Trap is real. If there is a Soul Trap, it is actually the physical body and the physical, tangible universe. We are forced to be born again and again, due to our ignorance, but if we can accumulate enough knowledge and wisdom in this lifetime, we can escape the cycle and not be forced to incarnate again.

    It's a bit more complicated than that, because Karma keeps us bound to the material realm. Through the fire and light of illumination, we can burn away the ties that bind us. Once we are free of those (called Gunas or Ropes in Sanskrit), we are free to choose our own fate upon death. Some choose to return for further incarnations out of compassion, to help others, whilst others move on to the higher, eternal realms or just become one with the absolute again.

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    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    I personally do not believe, that the Soul Trap is real
    I do not believe that either. In my personal opinion, that's a fear porn meme perpetuated by certain wannabe-gurus and "alternative community celebrities", among whom Simon Parkes ─ he's not the only one, though.
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    I do not believe that either. In my personal opinion, that's a fear porn meme perpetuated by certain wannabe-gurus and "alternative community celebrities", among whom Simon Parkes ─ he's not the only one, though.
    Yes, the evidence to that effect is pretty obvious. This meme did not appear in any of the ancient writings on the subject and my own personal experiences being outside my body would confirm it, at least to me, that the real prison is the body we identify with as being "us".

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    First, thank very much for your contributions to the subject. My goal here is try to understand how and why some (influencer) people say to Not Enter the Light, and this post is just more one step in that direction.

    I think was good idea start based on Tibetan book, so I found a very good material, which I will reproduce (and comment) below:

    The first experience here is the sight of the Primordial Clear Light or the "Clear Light of Reality." This is the pure mind of the Buddha, Christ, and all the perfected saints and mystics.

    It is generally accepted among various spiritual traditions ...
    This seems me according to Beliefs, where (blind) Faith leads believers to plunge head (body and limbs) Into the Light of mystical or religious spirituality (aka also known as enlightment). The majority of the population, if not faithful or following a belief, tends to sympathize and accept as valid, the cultural understandings coming from this common sense, even for the sake of good coexistence with the society to which they belong.

    In this sense, this Light can be considered a (religious) trap, which the vast majority of people are born and live "conditioned" to feel part of that Light, and so, are strongly (fearful-obedient) attracted to it.

    Of course, persons like Simon Parks and much others (that are not belivers), are not naturally attracted to this magnetism, and so do not use this primary portal (not entering on this primary light).

    on other source, I found ..

    But even though the Primary Clear Light be not recognized, the Clear Light of the second Bardo being recognized, Liberation will be attained. If not liberated even by that, then that called the third Bardo
    The best studies I took, along with intelligent (and cosmo-ethical) people, we talked a lot about Two Deaths, first the physical and then the psychic, and in these two phases (processes), the physical-body and then the psychic-body are abandoned in the process, respectively physical world and psychic realm (aka astral planes).

    These two processes are accomplished by cutting the Silver Cord (which connects the subtle vehicles of manifestation to the physical-body), and then cutting the Gold Cord (which connects the subtler mental manifestation vehicles to the psychic-body).

    So, some interpretative analyzes to the Tibetan book, help clarify these "processes":

    The Three-fold Process of Dying

    Phase 1 - The dissolution of the physical senses and the cessation of awareness of the physical body. When this is completed, there is no more sense-activity or awareness of the material world.

    Phase 2 - The dissolution of the elements and the psyche. The element earth sinks into water, and the water of the body can no longer be sustained. Water sinks into fire which dries out speech; fire sinks into air and it dissipates the heat of the body. Then the element of wind sinks into ether which holds the mind substance. Lastly, the outer breath and inner breath consume one another. When the last elements and their interconnected properties are dissolved, pure awareness remains and is freed from all attachments to the material world, then the primordial clear light is experienced boundlessly in a non-dimensional space.

    Phase 3 - The illumination of consciousness after death. This describes how the signals which pass through our senses while still alive gradually turn into a self-representation of awareness at the moment of death. The "inner space" turns into an infinite dimension as the perception of external physical reality ends.

    The third phase has five stages:

    (1) Everything you perceive from the outside slowly appears as coming from the inside.
    (2) What you see outside then emerge just like the light of the moon. As time passes, what you see inside appear like sparks of fire.
    (3) What you see outside appear as the light of the sun which slowly becomes dark. Then what you see inside appear as candlelight.
    (4) What you see outside appears faint and remote then your consciousness slowly enters the primordial clear light. This is like seeing the light of dawn.
    (5) Lastly, consciousness itself appears like the clear sky. With the absence of thought, the primordial clear light now appears, infinite and without a central perspective. If your consciousness is free of karma, you immediately achieve enlightenment, obtain the dharmakaya (truth body), and can stay here within the realm beyond all becoming, the deathless realm. If not, then you will go down to experience the other intermediate states in the Bardo.

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    What is The Primordial Clear Light?

    The primordial clear light serves a highly important role in the symbolism of the Bardo Thodol. In Tibetan Buddhism, it is considered as the state of pure wisdom and the peak of experience. In Zen Buddhism, the experience of the primordial clear light is regarded as the highest state of meditative experience known as Satori. Others call it "the radiance from the seed of emptiness” or “the primordial wisdom of great bliss.”

    The experience of the primordial clear light may be two-fold depending on a person's spiritual attainment:

    1. The Primary Clear Light

    The primary clear light is the clear untainted light that represents a highly evolved form of the spirit or a clear presence of the totality of consciousness. In the presence of the clear light “all things are like the void and cloudless sky, and the naked, spotless intellect is like unto a transparent vacuum without circumference or centre.”

    The primary clear light immediately experienced at the time of death is also equivalent to enlightenment — the highest level of spiritual experience for people in various mystical and spiritual schools — since it is well-known among these circles that consciousness can be transformed into wisdom by means of spiritual practice.

    At the time of death, the dead person is reminded by the lama or guru not to let this clear light slip away. A message is repeated many times through the ear of the dead person to abide in this state without being enthralled or mesmerized. If the person's consciousness cannot hold on to this experience because of its overwhelming power, then the secondary clear light will soon appear, which will be followed by the visionary deities.

    2. The Secondary Clear Light

    The secondary clear light is less intense. While in this state, the person becomes concerned with his or her individuality, but cannot determine whether he or she is dead or not. The consciousness of the dead person drifts within familiar places. It even gets a glimpse of its relatives and people it had been close to as if one is having a lucid dream.

    The terrifying karmic apparitions have not yet begun at this point, but will soon start if one's consciousness still cannot hold on to this state. In this case, the dead person is again reminded, through the ritual, not to be distracted and to meditate upon his/her tutelary deity to help focus the mind on the clear light.
    I would like to complement, with three good Q/A, from Hidden Hand interview:

    ATS: Are there any non-corrupted parts of the bible and if what bible version would you suggest?

    HH: No. As with all Sacred Texts, they have been distorted from the original information that was given with each translation. Though again, as with all Sacred Texts, there is still much truth hidden within them. Much of it being 'metaphorical'. If you can find pre King James versions, that is the closest you will get. Good luck with that.

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    ATS: H.H., strangely, my concern is that I will be recycled back onto the wheel of life and be reborn with a new brain and lose everything I have so arduously learned in this life time.

    HH: Your Soul remembers everything you've ever experienced. The only reason you don't remember it all now, is due to what we term the "veil of forgetfulness". If you came into each new incarnation with access to your Soul memory, there's no point in your coming into space/time. It would be like playing a computer game with all the cheats. You wouldn't learn anything, and it takes the fun out of playing the game. Remember that this current physical body you carry around with you, is not who you are. It's just the vessel for your essence. Who you are, is Real, and cannot be destroyed. You will retain all your memories of this life experience once you pass onto the realm of time/space, or that which some call "Heaven". space/time is illusion, time/space is Real. That Infinite Being living within and around your "body", namely your Soul, is who you really are. The part of you that thinks, and feels, and loves. It will always be a part of you.

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    ATS: So, is the harvest an "all or nothing" event or will it be a mixed harvest—a few moving to fourth density, a few moving towards fourth density in service to self, the great majority repeating third density? And if only 94% go to fourth density negative, then you have to repeat 3rd density and try again for a 95% negative harvest? If so, then I would hate to imagine how much more negative your people would make the earth at that point.

    I'm still confused about your part in this. In order for you to move on the 4th level, it must be a 95% negative harvest. In other words, to reward your people with 4th density, 95% of the human souls have to be (in the self-contemplation process) as far away from the "Infinite Source" as humanly possible. That just doesn't "feel" right to me.

    HH: It does not 'feel' right to you, as it is not right. You have not entirely grasped the concept. I shall attempt to clarify.

    The Harvest is Mixed. Those who are 51% or over on the Positive path will Graduate to 4th Density Positive. There you will work upon Love and Compassion, and it will be a very beautiful world to reside within for you. There will be very little negativity. Just a small enough amount that you can still use it to exercise your Free Will in choosing who you are not, but it will be so much more obvious than it is here, that the negativity is a tool to be used. You will see the interconnectedness of all things, and you will know that you are not 'separate' from one another, or from life Itself. You will not use words much, unless you choose to. Telepathy becomes the normal method of communication. Everything is open, and you cannot hide your thoughts from 'others'.

    From that incarnation onwards, you will not have to experience 3rd Density incarnation again, unless you later choose to do so from Higher Densities, as we have done, in order to perfect the art of Service, or unless you somehow, in a 4th Density world of abundant love and beauty, inextricably manage to be 95% Negative at a time of future Harvest, and slide back down the snake, instead of ascending up the ladder, to use another 'Game' metaphor.

    Back to 'this' current Great Harvest, we do not require a 95% Negative Harvest, as you have deducted. Instead, what we require, is for US to personally attain a 95% Negative Polarity for ourselves, not for you. WE must be 95% Negative (at least), in order to Graduate to 4th Density Negative, and earn the opportunity to clear our Karmic Record, of all the Negativity we have Created on this planet, before returning to our rightful place as 6th Density Guardians of our Galaxy, and teachers of Wisdom to those in lower Densities that ask for our assistance. If we do not make it, we will remain trapped in the 3rd Density Cycle with all those between 94% Negative and 50% Positive (what I termed 'luke-warm's'), and have to continue to provide Negative Polarity for you. Harsh as it is, our only way out, is to be as Negative as possible, to Graduate. We cannot choose to be Positive, because that is not what we came here to do for you. That's why I often have referred to all the horrible things we've done here, as our Sacrifice.
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    The ATS material you quoted above has been lifted almost verbatim from the Law of One channelled books. It is interesting, but given its unknown source, I would treat it with suspicion.

    The Tibetan Book of the Dead material is interesting though and I can confirm some of it from personal experience. I have gone through a similar process to what is described above, though it was as a result of a Kundalini Awakening.

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    I agree, the Rá material (aka Law of the One) and hidden Hand interview should be treated with some suspicious. Althought we found substance, both clearly limit information by claiming that cannot break the Veil of Forgetfulness (aka Veil of Ignorance, or Maya), and this is very intriguing when coming from someone who sets out to clarify the things honestly.

    Whenever I see something like that, I remember trials where the defendant does not confess his crimes, hoping to be acquitted for lack of evidence, which would amount to betting on the jury and judge's ignorance not found reason to guilty.

    An interesting analogy I can make here, is to think of birth, at the moment a baby leaves the womb and enters the light of day, when relatively the newborn leaves the womb and enters the light of the material world. If you consider these facts as rebirth of both body and soul, then the light at the end of the tunnel means the exit of a womb, which can be material or spiritual.

    From this point of view, saying to not enter the light would be tantamount to telling the child to not born, which would be really inappropriate, for not to say ignorance.

    BTW, I found a post here

    You should read The Tibetan Book of the Dead.

    When you die, if you fail to recognise your true nature and attain liberation you experience the lights of the six different realms of existence which arise from the six main negative emotions.

    Pride = Gods
    Jealousy = Demi-gods
    Desire = Humans
    Ignorance = Animals
    Greed = Hungry Ghosts
    Anger = Hell Beings

    It contains very precise instructions for identifying each of the different lights/realms when they arise in your mind and powerful methods to avoid being seduced and drawn into them, thereby being reborn again into samsara (the ocean of unbearable suffering).
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    The David Icke crowd is a bit too paranoid for my taste (as is the ATS and PA crowd mostly, come to think of it). Honestly, I think people worry too much about various conspiracy theories regarding the afterlife, they have no basis in reality. I suspect a lot of this comes from Science Fiction. Both Star Trek Voyager and the Next Generation had episodes dealing with this issue and some people have overactive imaginations.

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    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    The David Icke crowd is a bit too paranoid for my taste (as is the ATS and PA crowd mostly, come to think of it). Honestly, I think people worry too much about various conspiracy theories regarding the afterlife, they have no basis in reality. I suspect a lot of this comes from Science Fiction. Both Star Trek Voyager and the Next Generation had episodes dealing with this issue and some people have overactive imaginations.
    Yes, but you will also find that such memes only become mainstream within the alternative community ─ now there's a nice oxymoron, if I've ever seen one after some wannabe-guru, wannabe-celebrity or YouTube talking head picks up on it and starts "spreading the gospel". And most of these characters tend to borrow things that have already been said by another such character earlier.

    In doing so, they are strengthening the credibility of their own narrative, and in the process, creating a web of consistency. "Oh yeah, it must be true what Talking Head A says, because Talking Heads B and C have also said that very same thing."
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Yes, but you will also find that such memes only become mainstream within the alternative community ─ now there's a nice oxymoron, if I've ever seen one after some wannabe-guru, wannabe-celebrity or YouTube talking head picks up on it and starts "spreading the gospel". And most of these characters tend to borrow things that have already been said by another such character earlier.

    In doing so, they are strengthening the credibility of their own narrative, and in the process, creating a web of consistency. "Oh yeah, it must be true what Talking Head A says, because Talking Heads B and C have also said that very same thing."
    Indeed, the reptilians were a prime example of that. They go back to at least MME Blavatsky's Lemurians, which David Icke was heavily influenced by initially (he was at least a fellow traveller with the theosophists) and it became increasingly mainstream, especially by the nineties when it was prominently featured in the V sci-fi series and later in Star Trek. Same thing with the Pleaidiaeiaieiaiaians. Started out as a clear hoax, then took off in a major way and now it is treated as fact or canon by most people in the alternative community. I would even put the whole Satanic Panic thing in that category, as well as pizzagate.

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    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Yes, but you will also find that such memes only become mainstream within the alternative community ─ now there's a nice oxymoron, if I've ever seen one after some wannabe-guru, wannabe-celebrity or YouTube talking head picks up on it and starts "spreading the gospel". And most of these characters tend to borrow things that have already been said by another such character earlier.

    In doing so, they are strengthening the credibility of their own narrative, and in the process, creating a web of consistency. "Oh yeah, it must be true what Talking Head A says, because Talking Heads B and C have also said that very same thing."
    Indeed, the reptilians were a prime example of that. They go back to at least MME Blavatsky's Lemurians, which David Icke was heavily influenced by initially (he was at least a fellow traveller with the theosophists) and it became increasingly mainstream, especially by the nineties when it was prominently featured in the V sci-fi series and later in Star Trek. Same thing with the Pleaidiaeiaieiaiaians. Started out as a clear hoax, then took off in a major way and now it is treated as fact or canon by most people in the alternative community. I would even put the whole Satanic Panic thing in that category, as well as pizzagate.
    Agreed 100%. Pizzagate was a US alt-right invention with the intent of discrediting the US Democrats ─ and specifically, Hillary Clinton ─ even. It was hate-driven libel, possibly linked to some inside information about Epstein's "activities".
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    On this post, I gathered some more texts about the Deaths I mention above, where I forget to split the Death of Chakras (or the holochakra energetic body) after the First Death, So, instead the Two I mention, now it will be Three, where the Third, will be de definitive freedom of Mental Body self awareness, based on studies and experiences I'm doing.

    On this context, I deduce the Primary Clear Light as mentioned on Tibetan book, should be used "once" in time at the Third Death, for those who have achieved enough enlightenment and can go out of time/space bubble (if will), and the Secondary Clear Light in time of the Second Death, when the silver cord are broken.

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    Death is the painless deactivation and discarding of a vehicle of manifestation of the intraphysical or incarnate consciousness. This transmutation represents a change in the level of the consciential principle of life through the deactivation and discarding of one of its vehicles of manifestation, similar to various known natural events, such as the following evolutionary transmutations:

    1. Tree. The tree growing new leaves.
    2. Bird. The bird molting its feathers.
    3. Insect. The insect (cicada) substituting its exuvia.
    4. Reptile. The reptile (snake) shedding its skin.

    Each death constitutes the paralysis and consequent definitive disintegration of a certain instrument, machine, vehicle or body through which the consciousness acted. Each death can be represent by reactions of Shock, Crisis, Transition and a radical Change for the ego that is generally painless and for the better.

    The deaths, however, within human customs, still remain intensively involved in excessive taboos, conditioning, preconceptions, beliefs, superstitions, emotionalism, misunderstanding, low-level information, bad information and disinformation. Despite all this, the 3 types of Death are experiences more agreeable than disagreeable. Each death, or discarding of a consciential vehicle, actually constitutes a type of Birth of the consciousness in another far more evolved form of existence.

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    The First Death consists on deactivation and discarding of the human body with the rupture of the silver cord, returning the intraphysical consciousness to his/her condition as an extraphysical consciousness, still with the holochakra, psycho-body and mental-body as its vehicles of manifestation, and thus, passage of the incarnate consciousness from the intraphysical state to the extraphysical state.

    The transition of first death is the deactivation or permanent cessation of the vital functions of the human body (cardiopulmonary death and encephalic death) do not offer the Vehicles of Manifestation of the Consciousness intraphysical consciousness any means of escape. It also definitively eliminates from the freed consciousness. Myths, taboos and mysticisms of all types confuse the human mind when engaged in comprehension of extraphysical realities. So, Lucid projections, or physical and temporary minideath, permits this vital conquest while still in human life.

    From the perspective of the vehicle of manifestation, the impure extraphysical consciousness is that which only passed through deactivation of the human body (first death), without freeing itself from the remnants of the holochakra (second death). According to what can be observed in the phenomena of projections, the death of the physical body does not constitute a cessation of energy, but represents more of a liberation of energy for the consciousness.

    The First Death with regard to the human body, occurs because, with the rupture of the silver cord, consciential energy (vital fluid) can no longer be transferred from the consciousness (mental-body) through the psycho-body and the holochakra to the human body. From this point on, the soma begins to gradually disaggregate, installing organic chaos and the annihilation of the cells. The death of the human body and its utilization as a cadaver, or used matter, obeys the law of conservation of energy which states that Energy is neither Created nor Destroyed, but Transformed.

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    The Second Death is defined by deactivation and discarding of the holochakra, including retraction of the remnants of the silver cord and the aura of the holochakra, the extraphysical consciousness thereby remaining in the mental-body as well as in the psycho-body, which presents its own aura.

    The keywords are creation of the astral shell, deactivation and discarding of the holochakra, death of the third day, final death, final discarnation, postdeath, post-discarnation, second discarnation, separation of the compound double.

    In deactivation of the holochakra, the remnants of the silver cord vary according to whether the intraphysical consciousness, which has returned to the condition of an extraphysical consciousness, has or has not completed the existential period preestablished by its evolutionary orientation. In this case, the remnants of its vital energy will have been partially or totally used up.

    The Second Death constitutes the purification of all ectoplasmic emanations of the being (consciousness) that has departed from dense matter. The ectoplasmic emanations of the average intraphysical consciousness disintegrate 2 or 3 days after deactivation of the human body.

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    The Third Death is deactivation and discarding of the psycho-body with the rupture of the golden cord and the entrance of the extraphysical consciousness into the condition of Free Consciousness, from which point it permanently manifests only through the mental-body.

    The birth of Free Consciousness happens only once. After all intraphysical lifes (or journey lessons), occurs the consciential liberation with deactivation and discarding of the psycho-body, the end of erraticism and the end of successive intraphysical lives.

    The Third Death signals the end of the migration of the ego, the extinction of the cycle of the coming and going of reincarnation and deaths, or personal intraphysical existences. This is the inevitable objective of all consciousnesses or sentient beings. Is the crowning of the evolution of the consciousness at the end of the seventh stage of the scale of continuous self-awareness. It thus initiates a new stage in eternal evolution, and one which is currently entirely unknown by humankind.

    It is easier to understand the condition of erraticism of the extraphysical consciousness and much more difficult to understand the end of this same erraticism, or the condition of the domicile of the extraphysical consciousness in the mental-body in the mental density. It seems that no one is yet able to satisfactorily answer this question.

    People naturally always concern themselves with the challenging idea of the existence of the primary cause of the cosmos (Source), or the uncaused cause. Perhaps still more disturbing is the idea of the mental density where the extraphysical consciousness manifests itself forever, without appendices, as we know it, living in its whole only with the mental-body, probably in a condition of continuous self-awareness.

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    more about The Three Deaths

    As can be deduced from the assertions made here, the 3 deaths merely represent severances, ruptures, phasic mutations or separations of vehicles of manifestation that can be deactivated, discarded and decomposed, in light of the immortality of the consciousness.

    None of the 3 deaths whether analyzed separately or together, in any way imply a complete extinction or annihilation of the self, the consciousness or conscientiality. Biological death, due to natural causes, always represents an occurrence that should be considered an authentic evolutionary process of the eternal consciousness and the development of the very vehicles of human manifestation of consciousnesses.

    The deactivation of the bodies or vehicles of manifestation of the consciousness seems to be definitive. Their reactivation is impracticable.

    The first and second death of others are occurrences for which lucid intraphysical projectors are called upon to help extraphysically during assistential projections. This turns the projected intraphysical consciousness into an authentic assistant of biological death. Of the 3 deaths or the 3 vehicular disposals of the consciousness, the discarding of the human body or the biological death is the most disconcerting and radical, or the one that presents the greatest environmental discrepancy for the ego.

    As strange as it may seem, discarding is the occurrence that actually most closely approximates the phenomenon of human lucid projection in its manifestations and effects. This is why it has continued to be so difficult throughout the millennia for the intraphysical consciousness to implement the natural habit of projecting the human body with lucidity to other densities beyond the tropospheric life in which we live in intraphysical existence.

    The discrepancy or disparity between the consciential environments or vehicular conditions is 1:1,000 when the intraphysical consciousness projects in the psycho-body (bearing in mind the weight of this vehicle) and 1:“infinity” when the intraphysical consciousness projects only in the isolated mental-body. The lucid projector would do well to meditate deeply upon this topic.

    soma => body; Energosoma => Holochakra
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    An interesting subject indeed.

    I like the many references brought to the table and automatically exist reference points that i would say i have experienced to a degree, and have heard teachings and stories from others apart from personal meditative practices and life's journeys.. I think almost every one could relate to or at least partially relate to as probably true.

    In the sense of no matter what we read study ,listen to participate in, even if its not our cup of tea (or poison), we seem to always take some thing home.

    To give eg. Remembering the earlier days dabbling in the Tibetan teachings, a monk was trying to explain the 'samsara', Which from memory , without checking anything out online now, is the the world we live in repeatedly . The six realms. I found interesting because even some god states were in the list as well as hell beings .
    The eternal spiral of lives and experiences, where even a god state, where you may live for thousands of years, still you are trapped or within the learnings of the samsara.
    The enlightenment is reached when you are beyond the needs of samsara , whether its the perspective of the samsaras needs as a collective or your personal needs or desires.

    Chris you also reminded me of
    In this case, the dead person is again reminded, through the ritual, not to be distracted and to meditate upon his/her tutelary deity to help focus the mind on the clear light.
    We have been washed with this in film . we have seen this act , but also i have had clear first hand testimonies of this practice being used .

    Anther point raised is at the point of transition towards a over powering light , the question is a mystery to me . The debate of allowing yourself to simply flow into it and restart the reincarnation process, or be alert,be conscious, be aware and not overwhelmed and not enter the light . I'm guessing this is the point of enlightenment where automation of the process is overridden by you consciously .....At that point one would have the absolute power of choice.

    I am not sure if this was a distorted conclusion I think I got to all those years ago, or if its a dangerous place to be .
    This is about as far as i got with this but now as a supposed wiser person , matured and still a little undisciplined, it may be time to journey down this interesting thoughts and debates once again .

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    Agreed 100%. Pizzagate was a US alt-right invention with the intent of discrediting the US Democrats ─ and specifically, Hillary Clinton ─ even. It was hate-driven libel, possibly linked to some inside information about Epstein's "activities".
    I hope I'm not hijacking this thread, but I just read this article on Naturalnews and it demonstrates everything we have been discussing here perfectly. These people really think that people on the other side of the political spectrum are not just people with a slightly different worldview, but Satanic child-murdering paedophiles possessed by demons. It is unbelievable, that the below article isn't a parody, but the honest opinion of a man who I used to think was an OK guy in the past (Mike Adams). Boy, has he gone off the reservation. The article below is a must-read, especially if you are on the Left of the political spectrum, because it shows how people on the Loony right (which is beyond even the alt-right and the far-right) really see you and why nothing you will ever do can placate them.

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-11-...obsession.html

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