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    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    I hope I'm not hijacking this thread
    Hey Chris, I (personally) don't think so, because someway we are talking about Subversion. (Why not Enter the Light ? what's wrong to do this ?).

    If en'LIGTH'ment means go far away from Light, what hell is this ?

    Today, subversion It is not only limited to the Left activities, but everything that does not concern the Agenda of the Powerful tends to be disturbed, starting from the population's own mentality.

    The powers like to profit quickly and easily, so they seek to conquer and destroy values that others have achieve. They are parasites and not only the Left are impregnated of this.
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    Quote Originally posted by Border Dog View Post
    Hey Chris, I (personally) don't think so, because someway we are talking about Subversion. (Why not Enter the Light ? what's wrong to do this ?).

    If en'LIGTH'ment means go far away from Light, what hell is this ?

    Today, subversion It is not only limited to the Left activities, but everything that does not concern the Agenda of the Powerful tends to be disturbed, starting from the population's own mentality.

    The powers like to profit quickly and easily, so they seek to conquer and destroy values that others have achieve. They are parasites and not only the Left are impregnated of this.
    Well, if you want my own, honest, personal opinion on this, I am with the Elohim, otherwise known as the God(s) of the Bible. I genuinely think that they are the good guys and they represent the light. Those that are of the underworld (fallen angels mostly, also known as the watchers, Grigori/Igigi) are associated with darkness, perhaps because they inhabit an underworld realm. I do not know if they are evil or not (apart from the simplistic stereotypes and easy characterisations you get from popular culture, particularly horror movies), they would certainly deny that, but it does seem to me that they are of the self-serving type, with their own agenda. The Elohim on the other hand seem wholly benevolent to me and mostly concerned with the well-being of their creation, humanity.

    I realise, that is not the impression you get from the old testament account of the Flood for instance, I base this exclusively on my personal interactions with both the Elohim and the Grigori, which were extensive and life-changing. I'm sure many would disagree with me and it is not exactly in vogue to agree with the basic world view of the Bible these days, but I gotta go with my own gut feeling on this one. When the time comes, I will head into the light and join the Elohim in heaven. Those that prefer to head down into the Abyss and join the watchers are welcome to do so, I just don't find it particularly appealing after what I've seen down there (astrally).

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    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    Well, if you want my own, honest, personal opinion on this, I am with the Elohim, otherwise known as the God(s) of the Bible. I genuinely think that they are the good guys and they represent the light..
    Well, that has most certainly not been my experience. Anything that demands sacrifices and/or finds it easy to sacrifice others for its own cause cannot be good, in my humble opinion.

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    Those that are of the underworld (fallen angels mostly, also known as the watchers, Grigori/Igigi) are associated with darkness, perhaps because they inhabit an underworld realm.
    The tale of the Grigori does not pertain to angels, notwithstanding that the Old Testament wants to make it look that way. The Grigori, if they were real, were most likely extraterrestrial biological entities.

    An angel also does not fall from grace and then ends up on Earth or in Hell. That's Catholic fear porn. An angel falls after they have ended up on Earth, because having to grow up and live among humans and learn their ways inevitably comes at the cost of the angels losing their innocence. What has been seen cannot be unseen again, and what has been lived cannot be unlived again. To an incarnate angel, Earth is Hell, exactly because of that reason. It's no wonder so many of them either grow insane or commit suicide.

    Angels also do not incarnate voluntarily. Those that are here were sent here, no questions asked, and they are expendable assets ─ cannon fodder. Any deity that throws its children into a pit of hungry wolves and then abandons them cannot be called benevolent in my opinion.

    It's just like the politics here on Earth, you know. It's not a struggle between good and evil. It's a power struggle, and both sides will play it dirty if that's what it takes. And as in every war, there are no winners, only losers.


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    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    I am with the Elohim
    Ok, but this Deity its limited to christian jewish culture. I was born (and live) in this culture, but I learned about other cultures, and started broadening my horizons whenever possible.

    Of course, we need to know at least one cosmology to connect others realms (above and bellow). Elohim is knowed by the half brothers Enlil and Enki, both soons of King Anu (from Anunnaki). According to Zecharia Sitchin all the ancient Gods of even different peoples are the same Gods recorded in the Sumerian scriptures, and other researchers came to same conclusion across other cultures.

    The Elohim on the other hand seem wholly benevolent to me and mostly concerned with the well-being of their creation, humanity.
    Yes, regardless whether you choose Elohim (Enlil, Enki), this deity created Homo Sapiens (Adamic type), using DNA of Great Father (Anu).

    But Elohim did not create nature, the planet, plants or animals, because It all existed before Elohim got here. Humanity as we know it's relatively a recent creation. So, the cosmology about Elohim came from Sirius.

    About our great cosmology, The Sun (solar system) orbit Sirius, the fix star more brighter of the northern hemisphere. The Sirius Star System orbit Aldebaran (maybe Beteugeuse), that would be the central Sun of this galactic region.

    This central Sun is located in the constellation of Orion. If you look for other cultures, there are many more references to Orion than Sirius. The Egyptian ancient culture itself, from which the Hebrew culture was originated, considers Orion more important than Sirius. Several other cultures worship a Goddess instead of a God, referenced to the Queen of Orion Empire, aka the Holy Spirit, or the Great Spirit of Life.

    These three Stars (Sun, Sirius and Aldebaran) form the trinity we now by Father (Sirius), Soon (Sun), and Holy Spirit (an Orion star or the central Sun of this region). So, this central Sun of Orion, orbit the Milkway center, that is a enormous Black Hole.

    Regards that speaking nothing, or almost nothing of religion, I have described a big cosmology and its relationships, which can be found in all cultures, cults and religions, in whole or in part.

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    The big (cosmic) problem we have here on planet Earth, it's because Enlil and Enki (Elohim) are half brothers, and both dispute the control here, on the Solar System. In Egyptian cosmology we have Horus and Seth, both sons of Osiris, but only Horus is soon of Isis, that is, the same story told by Sumerians, translated by Zecharia Sitchin as the Anunnakis and their relations with the Queen of Orion Empire.
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    It's just like the politics here on Earth, you know. It's not a struggle between good and evil. It's a power struggle, and both sides will play it dirty if that's what it takes. And as in every war, there are no winners, only losers.
    fully agree .. and we, as humans, simple mortals, ordinary people, stay in the middle of the shooting of both sides.
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    Quote Originally posted by Border Dog View Post
    Ok, but this Deity its limited to christian jewish culture. I was born (and live) in this culture, but I learned about other cultures, and started broadening my horizons whenever possible.

    Of course, we need to know at least one cosmology to connect others realms (above and bellow). Elohim is knowed by the half brothers Enlil and Enki, both soons of King Anu (from Anunnaki). According to Zecharia Sitchin all the ancient Gods of even different peoples are the same Gods recorded in the Sumerian scriptures, and other researchers came to same conclusion across other cultures.
    Yes, I knew about that. The Elohim are the Anunnaki. Both terms mean sons of the Sky or Sky God. El / An is Sumerian / Hebrew for both the Sky and the Sky God. I also believe they are the same as the Devas of Hinduism and Buddhism. There are several clues which led me to that conclusion, but that is for another discussion.



    Yes, regardless whether you choose Elohim (Enlil, Enki), this deity created Homo Sapiens (Adamic type), using DNA of Great Father (Anu).
    Again, correct. They're rather proud of that fact.

    But Elohim did not create nature, the planet, plants or animals, because It all existed before Elohim got here. Humanity as we know it's relatively a recent creation.
    Possibly yes, though if you consider our reality a simulation, as an increasing number of scientists do, who knows.



    About our great cosmology, The Sun (solar system) orbit Sirius, the fix star more brighter of the northern hemisphere. The Sirius Star System orbit Aldebaran (maybe Beteugeuse), that would be the central Sun of this galactic region.

    This central Sun is located in the constellation of Orion. If you look for other cultures, there are many more references to Orion than Sirius. The Egyptian ancient culture itself, from which the Hebrew culture was originated, considers Orion more important than Sirius. Several other cultures worship a Goddess instead of a God, referenced to the Queen of Orion Empire, aka the Holy Spirit, or the Great Spirit of Life.

    These three Stars (Sun, Sirius and Aldebaran) form the trinity we now by Father (Sirius), Soon (Sun), and Holy Spirit (an Orion star or the central Sun of this region). So, this central Sun of Orion, orbit the Milkway center, that is a enormous Black Hole.

    Regards that speaking nothing, or almost nothing of religion, I have described a big cosmology and its relationships, which can be found in all cultures, cults and religions.
    I heard about this, but I have no way of verifying it. What makes me give pause, is that I was told from other sources, that the Anunnaki are originally from Venus. It turns out that Venus was a habitable planet millions of years ago, so it is at least an intriguing possibility.

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    The big (cosmic) problem we have here on planet Earth, it's because Enlil and Enki are half brothers, and both dispute the control here, on the Solar System. In Egyptian cosmology we have Horus and Seth, both sons of Osiris, but only Horus is soon of Isis, that is, the same story told by the Sumerians, translated by Zecharia Sitchin as the Anunnakis and their relations with the Queen of Orion Empire.
    At this point, we are entirely in the realm of speculation, so I can't say. However, from what I understand, the Anunnaki, including Enlil and Enki are not currently in conflict with each other and their supposed conflict has been much exaggerated by the likes of Sitchin.

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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Well, that has most certainly not been my experience. Anything that demands sacrifices and/or finds it easy to sacrifice others for its own cause cannot be good, in my humble opinion.
    That is certainly a troubling aspect of ancient religions. I have no good explanation for it, expect to put it down to the primitive mind of ancient humans, who were probably trying to appease the forces of nature this way.

    The tale of the Grigori does not pertain to angels, notwithstanding that the Old Testament wants to make it look that way. The Grigori, if they were real, were most likely extraterrestrial biological entities.
    Well yes, though I fail to see the difference. If you look at depictions of ancient Sumerian gods, they almost always have wings, just like angels. Whether you consider them deities or aliens is entirely a matter of perspective.

    An angel also does not fall from grace and then ends up on Earth or in Hell. That's Catholic fear porn. An angel falls after they have ended up on Earth, because having to grow up and live among humans and learn their ways inevitably comes at the cost of the angels losing their innocence. What has been seen cannot be unseen again, and what has been lived cannot be unlived again. To an incarnate angel, Earth is Hell, exactly because of that reason. It's no wonder so many of them either grow insane or commit suicide.
    That is true, though I believe the fall of the original watchers (not all of them fell) was caused by their sexual desire towards earth women. Copulating with them is what caused them to fall into this gross material plane and then even further, into the abyss (abzu), which is some sort of underground intradimensional realm, where they are possibly even trapped for the time being. That is at least what the mythology says.

    Angels also do not incarnate voluntarily. Those that are here were sent here, no questions asked, and they are expendable assets ─ cannon fodder. Any deity that throws its children into a pit of hungry wolves and then abandons them cannot be called benevolent in my opinion.

    It's just like the politics here on Earth, you know. It's not a struggle between good and evil. It's a power struggle, and both sides will play it dirty if that's what it takes. And as in every war, there are no winners, only losers.
    Jesus would have been an exception. Many believe he was the earthly incarnation of Archangel Michael.

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    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    I also believe they are the same as the Devas of Hinduism and Buddhism. There are several clues which led me to that conclusion, but that is for another discussion.
    Hinduism came from Vedas, where the three Gods Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva are present.
    Buddhism (like Taoism) no have Logos, so no have Gods, no have cosmology, etc ...
    But OK, its another discussion, I agree ..

    I heard about this, but I have no way of verifying it. What makes me give pause, is that I was told from other sources, that the Anunnaki are originally from Venus. It turns out that Venus was a habitable planet millions of years ago, so it is at least an intriguing possibility.
    Venus its related to another cosmology (by Atlanteans). Venus it's called the Morning Star that its another name gived to Lucifer in the Afrodite format, the Godness of Seduction. But Lucifer its also Enki, or EA.

    At this point, we are entirely in the realm of speculation, so I can't say. However, from what I understand, the Anunnaki, including Enlil and Enki are not currently in conflict with each other and their supposed conflict has been much exaggerated by the likes of Sitchin.
    well, I not disagree that seem "Cosmic" speculations, but it's not mine ...

    Try to see Wespenre Papers .. First Level of Learning: Nephilim, The Fallen Angels

    follow an excerpt from item 4 - In the Days of Old, In the Days of Gold

    Anu agreed, and sent his second-born down to Earth to see for himself. He found that indeed there was probably enough gold in Africa to save the planet, something Nammur had to admit. Ea and Nammur had always been competitors, and both wanted to be in charge of the Earth mission, so the former played a trick on Ea and Anu. He sent a message up to his father on Nibiru that he, Nammur, needed to be in charge of this mining project, and Ea should work under him. Besides, Alalu started getting restless down on Earth and had started ranting about being King of both Nibiru and Earth.

    This message made King Anu come down to Earth in an effort to resolve the issues (this was not the last time he had to resolve conflicts between the two competing half-brothers). He found Ea and Nammur in dispute with each other, so King Anu decided to draw lots, and Nammur won. Discouraged, Ea was sent to South Africa to start the mining, no longer in charge, and he brought his team of Anunnaki with him. This happened 416,000 years ago.

    Edin (Mesopotamia) was assigned to Nammur, who now earned the title, the EN.LIL, “Lord [of] Command”, while Ea was granted the oceans as his domain and put to govern Abzu (Southeast Africa), becoming in charge of the mining project. Nammur was the one who gave Ea the title, the EN.KI, “Lord [of] Earth. Much later, in Greece and Rome, Ea became known as Neptune and Poseidon, respectively. The Enlil became Zeus and Jupiter, respectively.

    (As a side note: We still can find many hints of the Anunnaki influence on our language. One of them being Enki (Lord of Earth) falling back on Ea, which most possibly gave the name to our planet, EArth).
    I think, maybe worth to debate Wespenre Papers. I guess It deserves open threads for it, if haven't already done yet.
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    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Well, that has most certainly not been my experience. Anything that demands sacrifices and/or finds it easy to sacrifice others for its own cause cannot be good, in my humble opinion.
    That is certainly a troubling aspect of ancient religions. I have no good explanation for it, expect to put it down to the primitive mind of ancient humans, who were probably trying to appease the forces of nature this way.
    I actually meant that in an entirely different way. You didn't see where I was coming from, but perhaps it's only best not to pull open that can of worms again.
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    I hope you won't mind, but there seems to be a lot of confusion about these topics in the alternative community in general and I really feel the need to correct some misconceptions.

    Quote Originally posted by Border Dog View Post
    Hinduism came from Vedas, where the three Gods Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva are present.
    Buddhism (like Taoism) no have Logos, so no have Gods, no have cosmology, etc ...
    But OK, its another discussion, I agree ..
    Hinduism is way more complicated than that, but there is a distinction between some sort of Supreme deity, expressed in the Hindu trinity or trimurti (Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva as the creator, sustainer and destroyer aspect of the supreme being respectively) and the Devas, who are the original Indo-Aryan gods. Their Supreme god, Indra is the exact same as Zeus and Jupiter for instance. The Devas are gods in the Roman and Greek sense, not supreme beings. It is similar in Buddhism, where there are various deities and higher beings, but they are not seen as supreme in the monotheistic sense, probably closer to our idea of aliens, if anything.


    Venus its related to another cosmology (by Atlanteans). Venus it's called the Morning Star that its another name gived to Lucifer in the Afrodite format, the Godness of Seduction. But Lucifer its also Enki, or EA.
    Ok, confusion.com reigns here... Venus is Aphrodite, who is Astarte, who is Ishtar, who is Inanna. She is a goddess in the Ancient middle eastern pantheon, one of the Anunnaki, Enki's daughter and Anu's (El's) granddaughter. Nothing to do with Lucifer, who is a dude and apocryphal anyway, an invention of the middle ages, but not a biblical character. Enki on the other hand was god of the Abzu (the Abyss, or watery underworld supposed to exist deep below the earth's surface), so he is effectively king of the Sumerian underworld. Due to that some would associate him with the Christian Devil, but I believe that's highly misguided.

    well, I not disagree that seem "Cosmic" speculations, but it's not mine ...

    Try to see Wespenre Papers .. First Level of Learning: Nephilim, The Fallen Angels

    follow an excerpt from item 4 - In the Days of Old, In the Days of Gold



    I think, maybe worth to debate Wespenre Papers. I guess It deserves open threads for it, if haven't already done yet.
    I'm afraid Wes Penre's, as well as Zecharia Sitchin's information is mostly wrong. A good place to read a summary of the actual scholarly research on the Anunnaki and the various myths connected to them is wikipedia, at least those articles are based on translations of scholars who do speak Sumerian and Assyrian and genuinely understand the language, not something you can say about the other two gentlemen. The whole gold mining in Southern Africa 430.000 years ago, Nibiru being a planet and all that is hocum, just made up (or rather, Channelled) by Sitchin, basically.

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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    I actually meant that in an entirely different way. You didn't see where I was coming from, but perhaps it's only best not to pull open that can of worms again.
    Oh, I guess you meant that from a personal perspective?

    Up to you, if you want to discuss it or not. I'm game.

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    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    I hope you won't mind, but there seems to be a lot of confusion about these topics in the alternative community in general and I really feel the need to correct some misconceptions.
    I like good debates, criticism, suggestions, etc. So please, feel free with me. If we get a headache, we get some aspirin and keep arguing the next day

    I also think "The One Truth" its a good place-name to clarify "confusions".

    Venus is Aphrodite, who is Astarte, who is Ishtar, who is Inanna. She is a goddess in the Ancient middle eastern pantheon, one of the Anunnaki, Enki's daughter and Anu's (El's) granddaughter. Nothing to do with Lucifer, who is a dude and apocryphal anyway, an invention of the middle ages,
    Venus are on the roots of Life Creation. The first Eve mith, before Adam came from Venus. Today she is also knowing by Lillith, a darkness aspect of female sex relations, that only seeks pleasure and never the procreation. Daughter of Uranus (coelum-heaven), Aphrodite was born when Saturn (cronos) cut off his father's testicles and threw them into the sea, and by a inexplicable miracle of nature, the Godness of Love born from the foam and mist of the Ocean fertilized by the Heaven.

    There's nothing more beautiful and lovely than Venus (life), also charming and seductive, So, the miths about Angels falling on dense Life are caused by Venus, because they feel strongly attracted to experience her Love. These fallen angel only will return to heaven after experienced and learned the full Love of Aphrodite (very interesting detail not knowed by almost people)

    Because their irresistive charm and seduction skills, Lucifer was related to her by the name of Morning Star. The Islamic symbol of the new moon along with venus at dusk comes from this cosmology. The wikipedia confirms this mithology, quoted bellow

    Lucifer is a Latin name for the planet Venus in its morning appearances, and is often used for mythological and religious figures associated with the planet. Due to the unique movements and discontinuous appearances of Venus in the sky, mythology surrounding these figures often involved a fall from the heavens to earth or the underworld. Interpretations of a similar term in the Hebrew Bible, translated in the King James Version as "Lucifer", led to a Christian tradition of applying the name Lucifer, and its associated stories of a fall from heaven, to Satan. Most modern scholarship regards these interpretations as questionable, and translates the term in the relevant Bible passage (Isaiah 14:12) as "morning star" or "shining one" rather than as a proper name, "Lucifer".

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    About Wespenre Papers, of course the research dued over Zecharia Sitchin books was deep and insightful. For me personally, any mythological group serves to tell the same story. I assume that the greatest influence in the West comes from Greco-Roman mythology, that I even know fairly well, but at same time and in parallel, I associate this same story told by other great cultures like Egyptian, Celtic, Sumerian and Hindu.

    Interestingly, the Taoist culture and philosophy, on which Buddhism is based and I like a lot, I never seen any cosmology, but only behavioral issues. If you know any buddhist cosmology, please tell me. I understand that each culture tells a part of the story and I think it's important to learn a little about each one. When discussing these matters with me, it is good to be careful, because it easily becomes a looong conversation. Besides enjoying, I find fascinating the versions and creativity which they have been elaborated throughout the ages and cultures.

    By this, I don't rule out knowing Wespenre Papers and other researchers dedicated to these subjects. I also really appreciate knowing what people think about myths, and whatever you can share here on the forum, I will be enthusiastic to know your points of view and knowledge on the subject.
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    Quote Originally posted by Border Dog View Post
    I like good debates, criticism, suggestions, etc. So please, feel free with me. If we get a headache, we get some aspirin and keep arguing the next day

    I also think "The One Truth" its a good place-name to clarify "confusions".



    Venus are on the roots of Life Creation. The first Eve mith, before Adam came from Venus. Today she is also knowing by Lillith, a darkness aspect of female sex relations, that only seeks pleasure and never the procreation. Daughter of Uranus (coelum-heaven), Aphrodite was born when Saturn (cronos) cut off his father's testicles and threw them into the sea, and by a inexplicable miracle of nature, the Godness of Love born from the foam and mist of the Ocean fertilized by the Heaven.

    There's nothing more beautiful and lovely than Venus (life), also charming and seductive, So, the miths about Angels falling on dense Life are caused by Venus, because they feel strongly attracted to experience her Love. These fallen angel only will return to heaven after experienced and learned the full Love of Aphrodite (very interesting detail not knowed by almost people)

    Because their irresistive charm and seduction skills, Lucifer was related to her by the name of Morning Star. The Islamic symbol of the new moon along with venus at dusk comes from this cosmology. The wikipedia confirms this mithology, quoted bellow
    Makes sense, thanks for the quote. I was told the Anunnaki originate from Venus, it would make sense that all of them are associated with that planet, including the Igigi. I often wonder though whether these ancient myths aren't actually allegories for great cosmic events that took place aeons ago. We name planets in the cosmos after gods after all, so when you read about wars in heaven and whatnot, it makes you wonder if perhaps the gods literally are heavenly objects in these myths.

    About Wespenre Papers, of course the research dued over Zecharia Sitchin books was deep and insightful. For me personally, any mythological group serves to tell the same story. I assume that the greatest influence in the West comes from Greco-Roman mythology, that I even know fairly well, but at same time and in parallel, I associate this same story told by other great cultures like Egyptian, Celtic, Sumerian and Hindu.
    To my knowledge, the Sumerian creation myth is quite unique, I am not aware of similar ones in other cultures. Perhaps in Mezoamerica, but most of those myths are now lost or fragmented.
    Interestingly, the Taoist culture and philosophy, on which Buddhism is based and I like a lot, I never seen any cosmology, but only behavioral issues. If you know any buddhist cosmology, please tell me. I understand that each culture tells a part of the story and I think it's important to learn a little about each one. When discussing these matters with me, it is good to be careful, because it easily becomes a looong conversation. Besides enjoying, I find fascinating the versions and creativity which they have been elaborated throughout the ages and cultures.
    I don't think Buddhism is based on Taoism. The two intermingled in China, but Buddhism is originally an Indian religion, based mostly on Hinduism, but with many parallels to Jainism. It has a very complicated cosmology, quite daunting actually, so I never got into it, because it just makes my head spin. Over at PA, Shaberon has a thread where he has written extensively about Buddhist cosmology, but you need the patience of a monk to read through it. There are numerous different heavens and hells as well as higher and lower realms, all inhabited by different types of beings.

    By this, I don't rule out knowing Wespenre Papers and other researchers dedicated to these subjects. I also really appreciate knowing what people think about myths, and whatever you can share here on the forum, I will be enthusiastic to know your points of view and knowledge on the subject.
    Thanks. I've always had a deep interest in mythology, but in the past 7 years or so, it was actually a question of life and death for me to get well acquainted with the various players in ancient myth, particularly of the Sumerian and Hindu variety.
    It may well have saved my life as I received direct intervention from some of the protagonists of these old stories. Knowing with 100 percent certainty that they are real and not just a figment of the imagination, gives you a completely different perspective, whilst I also realise that the stories that do survive from ancient times have been heavily altered, tampered with, or mistranslated. It is part of my day job to do professional translations and I am a trained linguist, so I am particularly annoyed by hasty and inaccurate translations, such as Sitchin's.

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    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    To my knowledge, the Sumerian creation myth is quite unique, I am not aware of similar ones in other cultures. Perhaps in Mezoamerica, but most of those myths are now lost or fragmented.
    try to reach from atlanteans time -- How would be possible Americas have cultures with same bases as Africa, Europe and Asia?

    I don't think Buddhism is based on Taoism. The two intermingled in China, but Buddhism is originally an Indian religion, based mostly on Hinduism.
    I referred to the general customs (many things in common) and not to a kind of derivation (in time)

    Thanks. I've always had a deep interest in mythology, but in the past 7 years or so, it was actually a question of life and death for me to get well acquainted with the various players in ancient myth, particularly of the Sumerian and Hindu variety.
    The first symbolism I learn was "I Ching". The interesting thing on this type is that you don't have to learn much, but learn to interpret since one to six line combinations of Yin & Yang. So, except Buddhism and Taoism that are partners to I Ching, all others that have cosmology (including astrology) I can easily interpret, throught the respective cultures.

    It may well have saved my life as I received direct intervention from some of the protagonists of these old stories. Knowing with 100 percent certainty that they are real and not just a figment of the imagination, gives you a completely different perspective,
    I bet this was just the first one you found. Others will come in due course.

    whilst I also realise that the stories that do survive from ancient times have been heavily altered, tampered with, or mistranslated.
    I highlighted this fact in the quoted interview of Hidden Hand as a complement of post #6 .. no news.

    I am particularly annoyed by hasty and inaccurate translations, such as Sitchin's.
    No one is hundred percent ( NO ONE ), even because the True is Relative.
    The perfect story told today, tomorrow will no longer be the same.
    This World, this Universe, is Mutatis Mutantis.
    ( I Ching is The Book of Mutations, indeed )
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    Even in the worst world lie, have a few of truth.

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    Gosh what an interesting thread. Death - well I speak here from a first person aspect - and - from an actual perspective of death as an experience. I died in the back of an ambulance. I won't go into details but where I went could only be described as beautiful and peaceful. Would that I could bottle what I experienced and share it with others - what I felt not the state of actual death.

    I too have read articles about the theory of 'soul trap' from as far back as around 2006. I had questions as soon as I started reading. I read via magazines and journals and never just rely on a search with any particular search engine - although those types of searches are included whenever I research. I feel - from my perspective that the 'soul trap' theory is based on fear. I feel and think that as sooooooooooooooooo many People are entering the awakened state - that the cabal/illuminati/whatever needed to inject a new type of fear into the already evident chaos.


    As for karma - I used to believe but not anymore. What type of God (any God of any religion) would save up past transgressions and then place those slights onto a new born baby. What type of God/Religion would do that? So even though I used to believe in Karma - I now view it as a method of explaining away certain behaviours and actions et cetera.


    My comments here are not to be viewed as - I am right and everyone else is wrong. I just know what I have learned on my journey through life and speak from my perspective - nothing more and nothing less. I recall speaking to my (then) doctor and mentioned that my Dreamstate had changed since my death experience. Basically I had always dreamed in a very very very vivid manner and sometimes lucidly. I now dream lucidly all the time. Colours, locations, smells absolutely everything I dream appears as though I am completely conscious - even though my physical body is engaged in sleep. I have always loved dreaming and now I love it even more.

    Take care everyone - when reading and researching - fear is what holds us back. Take it from me - the light that I saw and experienced was not in anyway a trap. In short - as I hovered I chose to embrace death and stated clearly I could go no further in this life and would return to learn whatever I had missed. I was not coerced or pushed in any way - I chose to return. My perspective is if there is any trap - it is the trap of lies and chaos on this planet. A web that we all travel through everyday - trying to make sense of what is happening and trying to find answers to questions.

    Much Respect - Amanda

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