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    Finland's Alexander Stubb Takes Charge in Ukraine Crisis Ahead of Trump's Visit – EU Role in the War

    Mar 1, 2025

    In an emotional speech before President Zelenskyy and European leaders in Kyiv, Alexander Stubb, Finland's President, urges Europe to take a more active role in the ongoing war. With the future of Ukraine and European security at stake, Stubb calls for a comprehensive plan and strategic unity to support Ukraine against Russia's aggression. As the U.S. prepares for Trump's visit, Europe's response will shape the future of the conflict and the region. Can Finland lead the way? Watch this powerful address on Europe's role in the war!
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    Starting at approximately 1 minute in, Stubb refers to himself as "a rabid trans-Atlanticist". Exactly what is a "trans-Atlanticist"? I think that should be relevant as we're now in a simpleton time of "good guys vs. bad guys". If the Atlanticists are the "good guys", then what do they stand for in this situation?
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    A rational voice! My heart and soul is completely behind this effort. smart guy but he sports a quite stylish grimace.
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    Do we lose our humanity if we are deprived of the choice between good and evil?

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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    Starting at approximately 1 minute in, Stubb refers to himself as "a rabid trans-Atlanticist". Exactly what is a "trans-Atlanticist"? I think that should be relevant as we're now in a simpleton time of "good guys vs. bad guys". If the Atlanticists are the "good guys", then what do they stand for in this situation?
    Well, there are definitely good guys and bad guys, but it's often a matter of one's perspective. In this particular global conflict-situation - Atlanticism is a belief in the necessity of cooperation between North America and Europe. Whether this alliance is good or bad, may/should depend on the alliances overall intent?
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    Quote Originally posted by Gio View Post
    Well, there are definitely good guys and bad guys, but it's often a matter of one's perspective. In this particular global conflict-situation - Atlanticism is a belief in the necessity of cooperation between North America and Europe. Whether this alliance is good or bad, may/should depend on the alliances overall intent?
    Yes, intent is most certainly all important. The way I've come to look at them is a cult of sorts, based on shared perceived superiority of those of the Atlantic Ocean region at large. Save for a couple of outliers such as Japan, South Korea and Australia. They can be seen in publications such as The Atlantic", think tanks such as the "Atlantic Council", the military wing known as the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

    They're also seen in organizations such as the EU, or lesser knowns i.e. Bilderberg, World Economic Forum, Davos.

    Were I to put a face to them it would be this:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...ber-11/603313/

    To quote them? I would off EU Foreign Policy Chief Josep Borrell:

    Yes, Europe is a garden. The rest of the world, and you know very well Federica, is not exactly a garden. The rest of the world, most of the rest of the world, is a jungle. And the jungle could invade the garden. And the gardeners should take care of it, should take care of the garden. But they will not protect the garden by walls, by building walls. A nice, small garden surrounded by high walls in order to prevent the jungle coming in is not going to be a solution because the jungle has a strong growth capacity and the wall will never be high enough in order to protect the garden. The gardeners have to go to the jungle. Europeans have to be much more engaged with the rest of the world. Otherwise, the rest of the world will invade us.


    Were I to don my esoteric hat I would say the rest of the universe need not fear their expansionist, colonial ideals, because as fate would have it they carry with them the seeds of their own destruction as is told in the tales of Atlantis, and as we are beginning to bear witness to this very moment.

    I see them now as a different people. Perhaps once upon a time I was amongst their ranks, but that was then.
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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    Yes, intent is most certainly all important. The way I've come to look at them is a cult of sorts, based on shared perceived superiority of those of the Atlantic Ocean region at large. Save for a couple of outliers such as Japan, South Korea and Australia. They can be seen in publications such as The Atlantic", think tanks such as the "Atlantic Council", the military wing known as the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

    They're also seen in organizations such as the EU, or lesser knowns i.e. Bilderberg, World Economic Forum, Davos.

    Were I to put a face to them it would be this:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...ber-11/603313/

    To quote them? I would off EU Foreign Policy Chief Josep Borrell:





    Were I to don my esoteric hat I would say the rest of the universe need not fear their expansionist, colonial ideals, because as fate would have it they carry with them the seeds of their own destruction as is told in the tales of Atlantis, and as we are beginning to bear witness to this very moment.

    I see them now as a different people. Perhaps once upon a time I was amongst their ranks, but not any more.
    He is surely old school, rural, early life was dominated by fascist Franco...His statement seems appropriate for his life experiences. What is probably a good thing is that he seems to be a dinosaur:

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    Josep Borrell Fontelles (Western Catalan: [dʒuˈzɛb boˈreʎ fonˈteʎes]; born 24 April 1947) is a Spanish politician who served as High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy and Vice-President of the European Commission from 2019 to 2024. A member of the Spanish Socialist Workers' Party (PSOE), he served as President of the European Parliament from 2004 to 2007 and as Spain's Minister of Foreign Affairs, European Union and Cooperation from 2018 to 2019.

    Born and raised in the Catalan village of La Pobla de Segur, Borrell is an aeronautical engineer and economist by training as well as professor of mathematics. He entered politics in the 1970s as a member of the PSOE during Spain's transition to democracy, and went on to serve in several positions during the governments of Felipe González, first within the Ministry of Economy and Finance as General Secretary for the Budget and Public Spending (1982–1984) and Secretary of State for Finance (1984–1991), then joining the Council of Ministers as Minister of Public Works and Transport (1991–1996). In the opposition after the 1996 election, Borrell unexpectedly won the PSOE primary in 1998 and became Leader of the Opposition and the designated prime ministerial candidate of the party until he resigned in 1999. He then switched to European politics, becoming a Member of the European Parliament (MEP) during the 2004–2009 legislative period and serving as President of the European Parliament for the first half of the term.

    He returned to the Council of Ministers in June 2018, when he was appointed Minister of Foreign Affairs, the European Union and Cooperation in the Sánchez government. In July 2019, Borrell was announced as the European Council's nominee to be appointed High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy. He took office in December 2019.

    Early life and career
    Josep (or José)[n. 1] Borrell Fontelles was born on 24 April 1947 in the Catalan village of La Pobla de Segur, province of Lleida, near the Pyrenees, son of Joan Borrell (father) and Luisa Fontelles Doll (mother).[1][2] He grew up in the village, where his father owned a small bakery.[3][4][5] His paternal grandparents were Spanish immigrants in Argentina, where they ran a bakery in the city of Mendoza, close to the General San Martín Park.[5][6] They returned to Spain when Joan Borrell, Josep's father, was eight years old.[5][7] Borrell's father arrived in Spain just before the outbreak of the Spanish Civil War and afterwards he would never leave his village of La Pobla de Segur.[8]

    After completing primary education, the remote location of his village led Josep Borrell to be home-schooled with aid from his mother and a retired teacher, taking the official Baccalaureate exams at the Lleida high school.[5][9] He continued his higher education thanks to several scholarships, including from the Juan March Foundation and the Fulbright Program.[4][5][10][11] In 1964 he moved to Barcelona to study industrial engineering, but left after a year in 1965 to study aeronautical engineering at the Technical University of Madrid (UPM),[5][9] graduating in 1969. In the summer of 1969 Borrell worked as volunteer at the Gal On kibbutz in Israel, where he met his future French wife Caroline Mayeur,[5][12] from whom he is now divorced.

    During this time he also began to study for a bachelor's degree and later a PhD in economics at the Complutense University of Madrid (UCM). Borrell also holds a master's degree in applied mathematics (operations research) from Stanford University in Palo Alto (California, US), and a postgraduate in energy economics from the French Institute of Petroleum in Paris (France).[5][13] In May 1976 Borrell defended his PhD thesis in economics at the UCM.[14][15]

    From 1972 to 1982 he lectured in mathematics at the Higher Technical School of Aeronautical Engineering of the UPM.[13] In 1982 he was appointed associate professor of Business Mathematics at the University of Valladolid.[16] From 1975 to 1982 he also worked for Cepsa, employed at the company's Department of Systems and Information Engineering; he combined this activity with the teaching of university classes and involvement in local politics.[9][17][18][19]
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    Can Europe broker a Ukraine ceasefire?


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    Ian Bremmer's Quick Take:

    For the first time, Europe is leading the charge on a Ukraine ceasefire, with the US stepping back after the Trump-Zelensky fallout. Can they succeed? Ian Bremmer explains in Quick Take.

    The big news, everything around Russia, Ukraine, the United States, and Europe. The Europeans now with the ball in their court, a big summit, a coalition of the willing in London this week. And Zelensky very warmly embraced, quite literally, by UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer and by everyone in attendance. It was very different visuals, very different takeaways than the meeting between Zelensky, Trump, and Vance in the Oval Office, which couldn't have gone much worse if everyone tried.

    Where we are right now, certainly this coalition of the willing had everyone that mattered in Europe. I mean, not the countries, not the leaders that have been skeptical, that have been more aligned with the Russians, or more, say, in a minimal position, like the Hungarians, like the Slovaks, but everybody else was there. So, you've got the Brits, you've got the French, you've got the Italians, and the Germans. You also have EU leadership, Ursula von der Leyen, Kaja Kallas, and also you have all of the frontline leaders that have the most at stake from a national security perspective: the Nordics, the Balts, the Poles. You even have Canada, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, who doesn't spend very much on defense, but nonetheless going there to show he's aligned with the Ukrainians, whether or not the Americans, who the Canadians rely on completely economically, are not.
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    Typical Atlanticist, so obsessed with taking down a country that means them no harm that they've become delusional into thinking Europe can take on this proxy war without the US.
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    Quote Originally posted by Gio View Post
    A Quick Take to kick off your week ...


    Can Europe broker a Ukraine ceasefire?


    | From Ian Bremmer

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    8:17 min.

    This is actually good for Europe and more importantly Ukraine. Since the U.S. is currently dysfunctional, Europeans are rising to the challenge. That's great!
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    Typical Atlanticist, so obsessed with taking down a country that means them no harm that they've become delusional into thinking Europe can take on this proxy war without the US.


    Quote Originally posted by Emil El Zapato View Post
    This is actually good for Europe and more importantly Ukraine. Since the U.S. is currently dysfunctional, Europeans are rising to the challenge. That's great!
    Yes, this is apparently the state of the Western World's mindset ...
    But i sense all parties will eventually (sort of) figure it out.

    sort of
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    1.Approximately; in a way; partially; not quite; somewhat.
    2.To some (great or small) extent.
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    “I’m overwhelmed with a sense of familiarity — it feels so much like China”


    Many Chinese See a Cultural Revolution in America

    March 6, 2025

    As the United States grapples with the upheaval unleashed by the Trump administration, many Chinese people are finding they can relate to what many Americans are going through.

    They are saying it feels something like the Cultural Revolution, the period known as “the decade of turmoil.” The young aides Elon Musk has sent to dismantle the U.S. government reminded some Chinese of the Red Guards whom Mao Zedong enlisted to destroy the bureaucracy at the peak of the Cultural Revolution. Upon hearing President Trump’s musing about serving a third term, they joked that China’s leader, Xi Jinping, must be saying, “I know how to do it” — he secured one in 2022 by engineering a constitutional change.

    The United States helped China modernize and expand its economy in the hope that China would become more like America — more democratic and more open. Now for some Chinese, the United States is looking more and more like China.

    “Coming from an authoritarian state, we know that dictatorship is not just a system — it is, at its core, the pursuit of power,” Wang Jian, a journalist, wrote in an X post criticizing Mr. Trump. “We also know that the Cultural Revolution was about dismantling institutions to expand control.”

    For these Chinese, who strive for democratic values but contend with an authoritarian state, their role model is tearing itself down. They are expressing their alarm in interviews, articles and social media comments that range in emotion from disappointment and anger to sardonic.

    “Beacon of democracy, 1776-2025,” wrote a commenter on a post by the official Weibo social media account of the U.S. Embassy in China.

    They’re witnessing things they thought could happen only in China: sycophantic official announcements, intimidation of the media and top entrepreneurs vying for favor from the leadership, not to mention a president who calls himself a king.

    “I’m overwhelmed with a sense of familiarity — it feels so much like China,” Zhang Wenmin, an investigative journalist known by her pen name, Jiang Xue, told me. Ms. Zhang was forced to leave China because of her work and moved to the United States in 2023. “I’ve just gotten out of the frying pan and into the fire,” she said.

    Of course, the two countries are fundamentally different.

    China is a one-party state lacking in three pillars of the American system: liberty, democracy and the rule of law. Millions of Chinese died during the Cultural Revolution, and tens of millions were persecuted. What’s happening in the United States is far from that. “It’s not exactly parallel,” Ian Johnson, an American journalist who has been writing about China for decades, told me. “But historical parallels are never exact because history doesn’t really repeat itself.” The American system is tearing itself apart with no outside pressure, he said, and this is similar to what the Communist Party did at the peak of the Cultural Revolution in 1966.

    After the Cultural Revolution, which destroyed nearly all institutions in China, the country tried to build something like those American foundations. Despite official restrictions, lawyers, journalists and entrepreneurs built a budding civil society that tried to hold the government accountable.

    These are the Chinese who suffered the most when Mr. Xi smothered efforts to make China a more open and democratic society, and they’re also the most disappointed at what’s happening in the United States.

    They have been shocked by the abrupt changes in U.S. policy under President Trump. Most striking is the language government agencies have used in social media postings. The tone, people say, sounds like Chinese Communist Party propaganda.

    “Even the CCP’s embassy posts, with all its propaganda, doesn’t spend every single day obsessively praising Xi Jinping,” Deng Haiyan, a former police officer turned critic of the Chinese government, wrote on X.

    “You’d think People’s Daily had moved into the U.S. Consulate,” he wrote, referring to the official newspaper for the Chinese Communist Party.

    The official Weibo account of the U.S. Embassy in China, which has 3.5 million followers, used to be a platform for the U.S. government to spread American values and reliable information. Chinese who share those values would sometimes use the comment sections of the account to vent about their own government.

    R. Nicholas Burns, who was the U.S. ambassador in China until January, talked about the importance of using social media to interact with the Chinese public. “One of the major preoccupations of our mission,” he said in a speech in 2023, “is to try to tell the truth about American society, American history, U.S.-China relations to the Chinese people.”

    That truth telling, he added, was meant to counter a distorted version of the United States from the Chinese official media. The Weibo account was intended as a Chinese-language bulletin board about American values.

    In the past month, many of the embassy’s Weibo posts, which overlap with some of the posts on its X account, were flooded with angry comments from Chinese users expressing disappointment.

    “Shame on you!” many Weibo users with IP addresses in China commented on posts about the U.S. policies toward Ukraine.

    On a post about remarks Mr. Trump made about human rights, one user wrote: “And you think you’re worthy of talking about human rights? You betrayed Ukraine!”

    The changes of both content and style on the Weibo account led one commenter to tease the account’s social media editor: “Blink twice if you’ve been kidnapped.” The embassy press office declined to comment.

    For many Chinese, the chaos in Washington is driven by a familiar impulse.

    “The only way to dismantle America’s ‘deep state’ is through a ‘Cultural Revolution,’” Zhang Qianfan, a professor of law at Peking University, wrote in a widely circulated article about the erosion of American democracy. “The Cultural Revolution brings neither honesty nor efficiency — only the demolition of the rule of law essential to everyone’s survival.”

    The characteristics of authoritarian leaders, such as surrounding themselves with loyalists and trying to control the media, are not unique to China.

    During the Cultural Revolution, Mao promoted a semiliterate peasant to the office of vice premier and a low-level cadre at a textile mill to be his deputy at the age of 38.

    For his third term, Mr. Xi has surrounded himself with loyalists, many of whom did not go to elite Chinese universities. Neither do they have lengthy experience working in the central government, unlike members of the previous two Chinese administrations.

    Last week, when the U.S. Embassy in China posted on its Weibo account that the White House would pick the media outlets allowed to participate in the presidential press pool, a user in the southwestern city Chongqing commented, “Selectively allowing certain media outlets to conduct interviews — such a familiar tactic.”

    For Chinese, one of the most astonishing aspects is how fast Mr. Trump seems to be building a cult of personality.

    After he showed off hats that said “Trump was right about everything,” a user on X wrote in Chinese: “Mao Zedong of America has been born! Long live the great leader Chairman Trump — long live, long live, long long live!”

    Li Weiao, a Beijing-based journalist, posted a video clip on Weibo that shows Mr. Trump enjoying a standing ovation at his first cabinet meeting in his second term. “I think I truly underestimated the dark side of human nature,” he wrote on Weibo.

    “The rhythm of this applause feels so familiar,” a lawyer commented on Mr. Li’s post. Another commenter wrote: “Just like North Korea and its friend,” referring to China.

    In a comment on an episode of my Chinese-language podcast, a YouTube viewer wrote a parody of a White House announcement in the style of Communist Party propaganda.

    “The entire Republican Party and all of America must unite even more closely around the White House Central Committee with President Trump at its core, holding high the great banner of American-style capitalism,” the user wrote. “We must fully implement Trump’s New Era American Capitalism Thought, stay united in purpose, uphold tradition while innovating, forge ahead with determination, and fight tirelessly to achieve the great MAGA goal!”

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