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    Trump to rally at NYC’s Madison Square Garden ...

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    Presidents, Conventions and Nazis: A Political History of ‘The Garden’


    October 26, 2024



    "Madison Square Garden, where Donald J. Trump and his running mate, JD Vance, are scheduled to hold a fund-raiser and rally on Sunday, has a long history of political events. Some have been peaceful. Some have not.

    It is where Marilyn Monroe sang “Happy Birthday, Mr. President” to a 45-year-old John F. Kennedy in May 1962, her dress lit so that it became see-through, and where Bill Clinton followed his acceptance speech at the 1992 Democratic National Convention with Fleetwood Mac’s “Don’t Stop.” It is where President Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1936 gave one of his most important speeches and signaled a turn toward more openly combative campaigning.

    Calling his opponents in the banking and military industries “enemies of peace,” Roosevelt sounded a note that is now eerily familiar: “Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today,” he told the crowd. “They are unanimous in their hate for me — and I welcome their hatred.”

    But much of the commentary this weekend can be expected to focus on another historical antecedent, from 1939, when more than 20,000 people, many wearing Nazi armbands, filled the Garden for a “Pro America Rally” in support of Adolf Hitler. The Garden was then at its third of four locations, at 50th Street and Eighth Avenue.

    Mr. Trump’s rally comes just days after John F. Kelly, his longest-serving chief of staff, said that the former president fit the definition of a fascist. Mr. Trump, on his Truth Social platform, called Mr. Kelly a “total degenerate” and “LOWLIFE.”

    At the 1939 rally, at least 10,000 protesters packed the streets, kept away from the arena by a record 1,700 policemen. “We have enough police here to stop a revolution,” the police commissioner, Lewis J. Valentine, said.

    Inside, on a stage draped with Nazi banners, red, white and blue bunting and a 30-foot portrait of George Washington, speakers railed against the “Jewish-controlled press” and referred to the president as Franklin “Rosenfeld.” One approvingly called Washington “America’s first fascist.”

    When a Jewish man named Isidore Greenbaum tried to mount the stage, he was tackled by members of the gray-shirted German American Bund, a pro-Hitler group that organized the rally, who handed him over to the police.

    Attendees paid 40 cents to $1.10 to enter.

    Mayor Fiorello La Guardia defended his decision to allow the pro-Nazi group to gather, citing free speech laws, and he played down several bomb threats called in to the arena. “If they bomb it, we’ll catch the bombers,” he said.

    Other divisive groups followed. The Communist Party filled the Garden for its convention in 1940, followed a year later by the right-wing America First Committee, led by the aviator Charles Lindbergh, who denounced the press as “contemptible” and “dishonest parasites.”

    In 1943, 40,000 people attended two performances at the Garden by Hollywood and Broadway stars called “We Will Never Die,” created to call attention to the slaughter of European Jews.

    Republican presidential campaigns often skip public rallies in New York, viewing the state as reliably Democratic. (An exception: Barry Goldwater, the party’s standard-bearer in 1964, spoke to a Garden crowd of 18,000 at a Young Americans for Freedom rally and received a 28-minute ovation; he went on to lose the state by 37 percentage points.)

    But Mr. Trump made his name in New York and has said, contrary to polls, that he will carry the state. He made an appearance in the South Bronx in May — his first rally in the state in eight years — where a racially diverse crowd applauded his anti-migrant remarks and chanted “Build the wall.”

    Although Mr. Trump said he had worried about how the Bronx crowd would receive him, only about 100 protesters turned out. Mr. Trump declared the day a “love fest.” He returned to the borough this month to speak at a barbershop.

    Yet New York, and the Garden, have been particularly hostile territory for the former president. He lost the state by 23 percentage points in 2016 and 2020. And while he has gotten favorable legal rulings in other states, New York courts have handed him 34 felony convictions and slapped him with judgments of $83 million for defaming the writer E. Jean Carroll and $355 million plus interest for fraud.

    In 2019, when he attended an Ultimate Fighting Championship event at the Garden, he received a robust round of boos along with some cheers.

    Tensions will probably be higher for a political rally just nine days before the election, especially given the ferocity of campaign rhetoric and two attempts to assassinate Mr. Trump. The visit comes as New York City’s government and Police Department have been roiled by several high-level resignations.

    A rally in Harlem for Vice President Kamala Harris, the Democratic nominee, in August, shortly before the Democratic National Convention, reflected the more confrontational climate. Pro-Palestinian demonstrators outnumbered Harris supporters, clashed with the police and interrupted speakers supporting Ms. Harris several times (she and her running mate, Gov. Tim Walz, were not there). The police detained 14 protesters.

    For Mr. Trump’s rally on Sunday, which is a fund-raiser, top donors are offered an “Ultra MAGA Experience” for $924,600.

    George Conway, a Republican who is highly critical of Mr. Trump, urged his 2.3 million followers on X to sign up to attend the rally.

    The police will close the area around the Garden to pedestrians and screen people entering the arena. As of Thursday, the department said it had received no credible threats of planned disturbances but was on heightened alert.

    Representatives of local and federal law enforcement agencies met on Friday to discuss security measures related to the event, including additional police officers in and around the arena, at Pennsylvania Station and in the subway.

    The Police Department said in a statement that it would “deploy an array of resources to this location for the event this weekend. We are in constant contact with the venue regarding specific security needs.”

    Aaron Donovan, Metropolitan Transportation Authority spokesman, said the transit system was used to large crowds.

    “It’s New York,” he said. “There are special events all the time, all over the region.”

    Asked how he planned to spend Sunday night, Mayor Eric Adams said, “Meditate.”

    Close to mind will be the 2004 Republican National Convention, which was held at the Garden. The police arrested more than 1,800 demonstrators around town, and the city ultimately paid $18 million for civil rights violations. Legal fees cost the city an additional $16 million.

    Mr. Trump’s rally comes almost exactly a century after the Garden’s most chaotic political event, the 1924 Democratic Convention, where the party, fiercely divided over immigration and other issues, took 16 days and 103 votes to pick a candidate.

    Fistfights broke out on the convention floor and on the streets. As the convention dragged on, 20,000 Ku Klux Klan members and their relatives marched in New Jersey to support a leading candidate, Senator William G. McAdoo of California.

    The party ultimately nominated Jonathan Davis, who lost to Calvin Coolidge in a landslide.

    For the Garden, in its various incarnations, a century of politically tumultuous events was just beginning."



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    Racist Puerto Rico joke could sink Trump campaign so close to election

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    “It’s stuff that you would think that in 2024 people would steer clear of.”

    The racist rhetoric of Trump’s warm-up acts is “very surprising” given how close election day is, says The Times’s Will Pavia.
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    Things are getting heavier folks ...

    NATO Secretary General - Statement on the deployment
    of DPRK troops to Russia, 28 OCT 2024

    | NATO Secretary General:


    Good morning. This morning, a delegation from the Republic of Korea, a close NATO partner, briefed the North Atlantic Council and our other Indo-Pacific partners - Australia, Japan and New Zealand - on North Korea's growing involvement in Russia's illegal war of aggression against Ukraine.

    The delegation included senior representatives from the Republic of Korea's National Intelligence Service and Ministry of National Defence. Allies also shared their intelligence assessments. Today, I can confirm that North Korean troops have been sent to Russia, and that North Korean military units have been deployed to the Kursk region.

    The deployment of North Korean troops represents: one, a significant escalation in the DPRK ongoing involvement in Russia's illegal war. Two, yet another breach of UN Security Council resolutions. And three, a dangerous expansion of Russia's war.

    NATO calls on Russia and the DPRK to cease these actions immediately.

    The deepening military cooperation between Russia and North Korea is a threat to both the Indo-Pacific and Euro-Atlantic security. It undermines peace on the Korean Peninsula and fuels the Russian war against Ukraine. Pyongyang has already supplied Russia with millions of rounds of ammunition and ballistic missiles that are fuelling a major conflict in the heart of Europe and undermining global peace and security. In exchange, [President] Putin is providing North Korea with military technology and other support to circumvent international sanctions.

    This underlines the importance of democracies standing together to uphold our values and to face our shared security challenges, but the deployment of North Korean troops to Kursk is also a sign of [President] Putin's growing desperation. Over 600,000 Russian soldiers have been killed or wounded in [President] Putin's war, and he is unable to sustain his assault to Ukraine without foreign support. This is because the Ukrainians are fighting back with courage, resilience and ingenuity.

    NATO Allies will continue to support a free and democratic Ukraine, because Ukraine's security is our security. Today, we discussed the need to further strengthen military support to Ukraine. We are actively consulting within the Alliance, with Ukraine, and with our Indo-Pacific partners on these developments, and we continue to monitor the situation closely. Later today, I have scheduled calls with President Yoon of the Republic of Korea, and with Defence Minister Umerov of Ukraine.

    Thank you.
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    NATO Secretary General - Statement on the deployment
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    Well Chuckie,

    I don't see things as implied via the above clip as that dire - yet...
    But i do see this development as a definite raising of the stakes by Putin.
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    I'm not a big fan of his, but I totally understand and agree with his decision ...

    Jeff Bezos defends Washington Post non-endorsement, says Americans ‘don't trust' media Bezos said that the presidential campaigns of Kamala Harris and Donald Trump were not consulted or told about the newspaper's decision


    By Dan Mangan,CNBC

    10/28/2024



    Amazon founder Jeff Bezos arrives for his meeting with British Prime Minister Boris Johnson at the UK diplomatic residence in New York City, Sept. 20, 2021.

    Washington Post owner Jeff Bezos in an op-ed published Monday evening defended the newspaper's recent controversial decision not to endorse Kamala Harris or Donald Trump in the presidential election.
    Bezos, who founded Amazon, called that a "meaningful step in the right direction" to reverse the loss of trust in the media by Americans.

    The Post has reportedly lost more than 200,000 digital subscribers because of the decision.
    Washington Post owner Jeff Bezos on Monday defended his newspaper's controversial decision not to endorse a candidate in the presidential election as a "meaningful step in the right direction" to regain Americans' lost trust in news media.

    But Bezos also said, "I wish we had made the change earlier than we did, in a moment further from the election and the emotions around it."

    "That was inadequate planning, and not some intentional strategy."

    Bezos' comments in a Washington Post op-ed were published as the paper's editorial and circulation staff continued reeling from the paper's bombshell announcement Friday that it would no longer endorse candidates for the White House, after doing so for decades.

    "Presidential endorsements do nothing to tip the scales of an election," wrote Bezos, the billionaire founder of Amazon, who purchased the Post in 2013.

    "No undecided voters in Pennsylvania are going to say, 'I'm going with Newspaper A's endorsement.' None," he wrote. "What presidential endorsements actually do is create a perception of bias. A perception of non-independence."

    "Ending them is a principled decision, and it's the right one."

    The op-ed — with the headline "The hard truth: Americans don’t trust the news media — was published hours after NPR reported that The Washington Post had lost more than 200,000 digital subscribers since Friday's announcement by CEO Will Lewis of the end to endorsements.

    Three members of the paper's editorial board have resigned from that panel, while retaining their staff roles at the Post, because of that decision.

    Lewis has said that he made the decision.

    But a Post article on Friday, citing four people who were briefed on the decision, reported that Bezos made that call, after a draft of the paper's endorsement of Democratic nominee Kamala Harris over GOP nominee Donald Trump was created.

    Other news outlets have reported that Bezos pulled the plug on presidential endorsements.

    In his op-ed Monday, Bezos wrote that the decision "was made entirely internally."

    Bezos wrote, "I would also like to be clear that no quid pro quo of any kind is at work here" in deciding not to endorse a candidate.

    He said that neither presidential campaign was consulted or told about the newspaper's decision.

    But Bezos noted that Dave Limp, the CEO of his space exploration company Blue Origin, met with Trump on the same day Lewis announced the paper's decision.

    "I sighed when I found out, because I knew it would provide ammunition to those who would like to frame this as anything other than a principled decision," Bezos wrote.

    "But the fact is, I didn't know about the meeting beforehand. Even Limp didn't know about it in advance; the meeting was scheduled quickly that morning," Bezos wrote. "There is no connection between it and our decision on presidential endorsements, and any suggestion otherwise is false."

    Bezos noted that in a recent Gallup poll, the media is the least trusted of 10 U.S. civic and political institutions.

    "Something we are doing is clearly not working," he wrote.

    Bezos said that newspapers, like voting machines, must be both accurate and have people believe they are accurate.

    "It's a bitter pill to swallow, but we are failing on the second requirement," Bezos wrote. "Most people believe the media is biased. Anyone who doesn't see this is paying scant attention to reality, and those who fight reality lose."

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    Quote Originally posted by Gio View Post
    Well Chuckie,

    I don't see things as implied via the above clip as that dire - yet...
    But i do see this development as a definite raising of the stakes by Putin.
    Besides US and South Korean claims of this, do we have any evidence? Have they presented any that I've missed?

    The Russians have plenty of troops, there's the language barrier and they haven't been training together.

    I'm just a sayin cos the US claims an awful lot for propaganda purposes that just ain't necessarily so.
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    Besides US and South Korean claims of this, do we have any evidence? Have they presented any that I've missed?
    Neither have i Fred, but apparently Nato and their allies are reporting and discussing as such?

    That's why I responded to Chuckie's video clip as such ...


    I don't see things as implied via the above clip as that dire - yet...
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    Okay, just checking. The problem is they never do present any evidence with these types of things. They just put it out there, and let people react as expected.

    We'll keep an eye out but I expect more dire rhetoric, maybe some more satellite shots like Colin Powell presented to the UN as evidence of weapons of mass destruction, but not much more.
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    I was made aware by non-mainstream media, not lamestream. I didn't think American lamestream media was even pushing it. Which is why I was alarmed when I saw these posts. If U.S. ain't talking about it, that means 'danger'
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    That spooky time of year is upon us ...
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    Are Ghosts Real?


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    A CBS poll shows that forty percent of Americans believe in ghosts or spirits, and half of those claim to have experienced a paranormal encounter. Correspondent Tracy Smith talks with Jeff Belanger, author of “The World’s Most Haunted Places,” at the site of a notorious murder. She also meets paranormal investigator Joe Nickel, who says the notion of ghosts is “scientific nonsense”; and joins a “ghost tour” at the Waverly Hills Sanatorium in Louisville, Kentucky, a structure purported to be haunted. Originally broadcast October 30, 2011.
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    Pumpkins, sweets and lanterns are familiar features of a well-loved tradition known around the world: Halloween. But did you know that according to many historians, the Halloween holiday may have its roots in an Irish pagan festival called Samhain? To tell us more, travel journalist Gabe Saglie joined FRANCE 24's Erin Ogunkeye live from Derry in Northern Ireland.
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    Roman Albertovich Abalin (Russian: Роман Альбертович Абалин, born January 24, 1998), better known by his screen name NFKRZ (pronounced "no fuckers"; formerly nofuckerz), is a Russian YouTuber who is known for his fluent English-language presentations and his earlier videos on the city where he used to live, Chelyabinsk, Russian - history and politics, and the history and architecture of the Soviet Union. He later became recognized as a relatively outspoken person (online) in Russia after the the commencement of the current Ukraine war ... He soon would flee to the to nearby friendly country of Georgia with thousands of other mostly younger Russians.

    Roman is becoming more popular for his commentary videos, Montage Parodies, and reaction videos.
    Presently he is living in Portugal, after a long wait in Georgia (the country), awaiting a EU travel visa.

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    As a Russian who left Russia, I know what it's like to feel powerless against your government and feeling like you can't affect or change anything. I've been recently noticing that a lot of people all over the world seem to feel this way: even in the United States, where the 2024 US Election has many people feeling like they are not represented and like they can't change anything. Why does everyone feel so insignificant these days? And why is Gen Z the Powerless Generation? Let's talk about it and try to relate to each other.

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    When protecting a herd, a barking dog can scare off a lone wolf. But what about when a whole pack of wolves attack? These dogs raise the alarm and the mounted camera allows us to follow alongside the tense canine stand off…
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